Talk: Unstable vortex

Ok, if the vortex disolves whatever it touches. Does it disolve the air? If it does, the gate must have taken away ALOT of earth's and other planets atmopheres. Or does the gate have saftey measures to push away the air? Iaselar 07:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it does not destroy matter it touches, just breaks down any molecular bonds, air does not change much if that happens, but a person is not quite himself if he is reduced to single atoms that are spread out over a considerable area.--129.241.131.35 19:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

...Um. Actually annihalating matter creates a massive explosion, so it wouldn't literally destroy the object at the atomic level. It probably just "disintegrates" it, so air and suchlike could probably re-integrate with few problems. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 19:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

In one of the episodes when the SGC dialed Kelowna, the unstable vortex indirectly caused the hanging lamps to swing. Perhaps the vortex shoves gaseous particles away from it, as plasma is literally erupting from the gate, but since solids or liquids near the gate would be unable to move, they are demolecularized (similar to the function of the Dakara pulse) and wind up as pure elements, which are then free to rebond with other elements according to the laws of chemistry. For instance, a person hit by the kawoosh would turn into mostly gas (hydrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide if reaction occurs) with some calcium and iron dust particles far too small to be seen, and perhaps even sucked back inside the gate. Just speculation. Myrrlyn ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:44, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

maybe it does demolecularize matter it touches and that matter is deleted from the stargate memory.- SupremeCommander

I agree with Vimescarrot, that sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. But, what about the Iris? I always found it weird that the unstable vortex would disentegrate anything in its path, but the Iris... Are titanium and trinium immune to the vortex? Or is it the placement of the Iris? All I know is that the wormhole is shown (Kinda) forming behind the Iris as early as The Enemy Within -Digital Ronin ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:33, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think its, the iris position; its to close to the event horizon to form a kawoosh. If the iris is moved, a vortex would destroy the iris. In O´Neill and Laira, molten Naquadah formed a natural iris: No Vortex was formed, an event-horizon was formed in the gap, where the first horizon was. Carter invented a particle-accelerator, similiar to Sokars to form a small hole in the Naquadah, then they reopened the gate; the small hole allowed an unstable vortex to form and create a larger room. SG-2780.226.228.136 11:15, March 19, 2010 (UTC) It has been stated as official canon that both the iris and the Atlantic gateshield are positioned too close to the event horizon for the plume to appear or for matter to reintegrate. Since the plume is matter--likely hydrogen plasma--it cannot form in the distance between horizon and barrier. The plume in the Atlantis gate has been shown to "form" in that a filled circle spreads out, then falls back in from the center of the horizon, indicating that the plume was crushed against the shield in the same manner as any incoming traveler would be. Basically, I'm just saying that no element is immune, it just has to do with the placement of the barrier. (If a barrier were placed over an event horizon but did not fully cover all the area in which the plume would erupt, would the plume destroy it? Just a thought) Myrrlyn ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:44, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Kawoosh

In which episode did Carter nickname the unstable vortex a kawoosh? That episodes needs a reference.--JemHadar359 17:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember the episode, but this may help: She was discussing it with Mitchell in a lab; she said something along the lines of "When the kawoosh destroyed the device..." She was talking about the ancient communication device. I think it may have been the episode in which Vala takes control of Daniel's body via the device in the Ori galaxy... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 18:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about Crusade. I can't promise you it's the right episode. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 18:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it was in the episode in which they both phased into an alternate dimension. The episode's name escapes me currently though. ProtoKun7 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

That episode was Arthur's Mantle —Wellslogan ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:31, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Strudel

When I watched the stargate promo-reel on the original movies DVD i saw, that the jaffa-fossils were found beyond the stargate, which laid on its back: The fossils of the Jaffa must have been rematerialized on the backside of the gate.

My theory is, that any matter that enters the stargate in the first movie is not dematerialized by the event-horizon, but within the strudel. This can be seen when Daniel enters the stargate: he opens his eyes in the strudel and was dematerlialized shortly after. In the movie, buried gates can be activated (oposed to the series, where the jaffa were sent to antarctica) but the matter, that rematerialized in the strudel, but is not able to leave through the event horizon. When the gate disengages the strudel disappears and any matter within fuses with the matter (stone) in the place where the strudel was so the strudel forms through any matter without penetrating it under normal circumstances. sg-2780.226.228.136 11:24, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

That might be in the movie, but it isn't so in the series. —Supakillaii ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:30, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

In Stargate: The Ark of Truth, Daniel Jackson is shown dematerializing after he passes through the event horizon of the Supergate, which is distinctively lacking in a strudel. Daniel has a nasty habit of being the one to trigger the wormhole sequence onscreen (Stargate, Ark, Continuum, various episodes) Myrrlyn ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:48, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Not always

Does someone fancy adding a bit about how this doesn't always happen, I can remember seeing the knox, the girl in the future in the episode 1969, and I'm sure others have activated the stargate without the kwoosh.

This show is getting older and older but I wanted to know if anyone knew what would happen if you stuck your hand through an unstable vortex or through an unaboidably closing event horizon. It would dematerialize and your hand would get cut off but what would your arm be like? Would you start bleeding out? Does it sort of close up the wound like light sabers seem to do on Star Wars? Anyone know? Anyone care?168.137.100.28 18:12, October 25, 2012 (UTC)Tav-El

InPrisoners when sg1 is sent in that prison somebody was standing there and only his feet were left with smoke coming from them, so most likely the wound is cauterised. So if you would stick your arm in the unstable vortex most likely you would not bleed. The event horizon would not close if something is in it, unless it has reached the 38 minute limite or the gate has been instructed to and here yes you would bleed as it could be seen in The Enemy Within with Kawalsky's head. Portalier ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 18:58, October 25, 2012 (UTC)