Youngs dreams could be due to his time in the aliens body, like Telfords memory leaking, but in this case, events havnt happened yetCourtneyFANno.1 12:35, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
Replicators
Argh! Why doesn't Homeworld Command just save the Destiny Crew already? There's sooooo many simple solutions. The answers are on the Oddyssey. Mainly its ability to create Replicators. If Homeworld Command can create a small number of replicators and program them for the purpose of improving the ship's hyperdrive, then they can reach Destiny in less than a day. We know the Replicators are capable of boosting a Gould Hyperdrive to the point where it can travel between galaxies in under an hour. That's faster than Atlantis's Stardrive. So all Homeworld Command has to do is create the Replicators, go to Destiny, beam the crew off, defeat any potential Blueberry aliens in the Trial and Error episode using the Asgard Beams, dock the Oddyssey with Destiny, then tow the Destiny through hyperspace back to Earth. Again, the Replicators should be able to manage all this easily. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:14, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
- You already put forth this idea on another page - no need to debate it on two pages at once Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 01:38, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually my idea this time is somewhat different and expanded from the previous idea. There was no need to double post on another page either. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:44, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
- number one, replicators are far too dangerous. number two, they can't just get up and create the fastest hyperdrives known to man. they picked that knowledge up from somewhere. the goauld hyperdrives were inferior to begin with. also, it could have been days that it took to travel that distance back to the milky way. —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 02:40, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually in the episode, it was less than an hour. The Replicators modified the Gould Mothership to travel faster than even the best Ancient and Asgard hyperdrives. I highly doubt they picked that knowledge up from another race. No race has hyperdrives that fast. I think the Replicators achieved it thanks to them being highly adaptable. The Replicators can easily be shut down by a shut down command. Or they can be stripped of all their dangerous programming. The most efficient way would be to use the Nanite Creation Machine on Atlantis to create a human-form replicator to control the smaller replicators. As we know, McKay is capable of creating friendly replicators. So they won't be dangerous to create. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:48, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Destiny takes a few weeks to travel between galaxies if I recall correctly, we don't know how far apart those two galaxies were from each other, I don't know how long Destiny spends in a galaxy. We know that it isn't as fast as it used to be. Destiny has been travelling for millions of years. That is a vast distance, even for the replicators. Supertrinko (talk) (Contribs) 06:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Thor clearly said that Replicators can't create technology of their own. And the chances are that Atlantis's hyperdrive, which was around in some form or another since Atlantis was first built, doesn't represent the latest or greatest in Ancient technology. Also, when comparing Atlantis with the replicator's one-hour intergalactic jump, it's worth mentioning that Pegasus may be (and probably is, from what we know of Asgard travel times) just many times further away than Ida. Either way; it has been stated in cannon that the replicators can only use knowledge which is given to them or which they steal, so unless you can prove that Destiny is within a sensible distance of Earth at Atlantis speed (as that is the greatest hyperdrive which the Tau'ri have data on), your argument is invalid. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:10, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, Ida is 4 million light years from the Milky Way while Pegasus is only 3 million light years. Therefore, the Replicators can travel 4 million light years in less than 1 hour, possibly only half an hour. Let's assume that Destiny is 3 billion light years from Earth. If you do the math, it should only take the Replicators about 750 hours to travel to the Destiny. That's about 31 days. It's basically take about 2 months to get to Destiny and back. Now if the Gould Ship travelled 4 million light years in 30 minutes, then it'd only take about 1 month round trip. That's a pretty reasonable time. Atlantis is supposed to represent the pinnacle of Ancient technology. When the Ancients returned to Earth, most of them ascended. Clearly the replicators got their technology somewhere else. There's also the fact that when Replicators reach critical mass, they need to seek out new resources to consume to replicate. Therefore, they want to get there as soon as possible. Also, the modified Gould Hyperdrive doesn't appear to be new technology. It seems the Replicators were just simply providing extra power to it as Carter said. Now Destiny shouldn't be more than 10 billion light years from Earth cause that's about how old the universe is. Any further than 10 billion light years and you'll basically go farther than the universe has expanded. Even if Destiny was 10 billion light years from Earth, it would still only take a Replicator Gould Ship about half a year to reach Destiny. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, Ida is 4 million light years from the Milky Way while Pegasus is only 3 million light years. Therefore, the Replicators can travel 4 million light years in less than 1 hour, possibly only half an hour. Let's assume that Destiny is 3 billion light years from Earth. If you do the math, it should only take the Replicators about 750 hours to travel to the Destiny. That's about 31 days. It's basically take about 2 months to get to Destiny and back. Now if the Gould Ship travelled 4 million light years in 30 minutes, then it'd only take about 1 month round trip. That's a pretty reasonable time. Atlantis is supposed to represent the pinnacle of Ancient technology. When the Ancients returned to Earth, most of them ascended. Clearly the replicators got their technology somewhere else. There's also the fact that when Replicators reach critical mass, they need to seek out new resources to consume to replicate. Therefore, they want to get there as soon as possible. Also, the modified Gould Hyperdrive doesn't appear to be new technology. It seems the Replicators were just simply providing extra power to it as Carter said. Now Destiny shouldn't be more than 10 billion light years from Earth cause that's about how old the universe is. Any further than 10 billion light years and you'll basically go farther than the universe has expanded. Even if Destiny was 10 billion light years from Earth, it would still only take a Replicator Gould Ship about half a year to reach Destiny. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Do they really want to bring them home? Sure the Destiny crew wants home, but the ship is Ancient, which means the Earth wants it, which means everybody wants it. I bet the Genii will create a steam powered hyperdrive and reach Destiny in 2 seconds, take the crew hostage and try to bargain them for C4. Then they plan to execute everyone aboard cuz they don't believe Earths explanation that they can't dial Destiny. But then Chloe will go like "Ultimate Blueberry form" and turn into a giant Blueberry alien and go "Chloe crush puny blueberry". Then Matt will be all "Oh no, Chloe" and cry, until Rush comes to the rescue and beats up Chloe and puts her in a water tank and drives Destiny home, to the Rush planet where everyone is exactly like Rush and everyone else will be like "NOOOO". That would be the best SGU plot so far... Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 09:14, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's obvious that Home World Command wants to bring them home. Otherwise, why would they try to come up with a plan to get them home? And even if Homeworld Command just wants the ship, they can always just use the Replicator Plan and send a better trained crew to replace the current Destiny expedition. Perhaps sending SG-1 and AR-1 will fix everything. After all, SG-1 and AR-1 can do anything without all that unecessary drama. However, a Gould Mothership that can travel billions of light years within a couple weeks is probably more valuable than Destiny itself. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Science fiction, the fiction part is the key here. They won't do it because the writers and producers don't make them do it. Get it? And given that they don't have exact coordinates to Destiny, just the visual map of its route, and they can't even record that for any device on Earth. They can't see even half the galaxies that Destiny has visited from the Milky Way. That's because of the limited view from our galaxy. And you really think that given large number of scientist involved with the Stargate Program, they haven't thought of that already. Also, do you know if it's useful for a long journey? Hermiod was easily able to boost the hyperdrive on Daedalus, but didn't exacly call it safe. And btw, why do you think that Destiny is only 3 billion light years from Earth? Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 09:14, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, what's with all these estimates of Destiny's distance? Even the fraction of the universe which can be observed from Earth is 92 billion light years, and that's only what we can see. The crew frequently use the term "The other side of the universe", so I guess it's much, much more than three billion. And I bet that as these fan theories of rescue become more popular, the producers will just make Destiny even further away to counter them :D . Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I think they might be able to use the 9 chevron address to calculate Destiny's position in space like what Carter did with Taonas. As for the replicators reaching Destiny safely, I think that they would be able to prevent the hyperdrive from burning out. Or they could make short jumps. The edge of the universe can't be more than 15 billion light years from Earth. Anything more and you'd be past the edge of the universe which is theoretically impossible. So even if Destiny is 15 billion light years from Earth, it would still take the Replicators a little over half a year to reach Destiny. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:55, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, what's with all these estimates of Destiny's distance? Even the fraction of the universe which can be observed from Earth is 92 billion light years, and that's only what we can see. The crew frequently use the term "The other side of the universe", so I guess it's much, much more than three billion. And I bet that as these fan theories of rescue become more popular, the producers will just make Destiny even further away to counter them :D . Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
15 billion lightyears???? i think you are wrong about that, considering the furthest known star is 14 billion lightyears away. And that according to current calculations if you shrunk down KNOWN universe to the size of a quarter, they unkown universe would be about the size of the planet earth. Its a big damn place out there. ralok (talk) (Contribs) 01:18, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Well the universe isn't older than 15 billion years old. Therefore, the oldest star should be about 15 billion years which means it would take 15 billion light years for that stars light to reach Earth. And when Dr. Rush said "several" billion light years from Earth, it can't be a really big number. For example, if someone says they have several apples in a baskest, it usually isn't more than 10. Definitely no where near 100. Therefore, Destiny shouldn't be that far from Earth compared to the rest of the universe. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:58, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- First of all, the ninth chevron adress can't be used to calculate Destinys position, because its not an adress, it's a code, and Destiny is constantly moving. Secondly, I don't know where you learn your astronomy, and I don't know whether you are right or not, but universally speaking, light travels really slooow. Like watching a snail crawl across a soccer field. And why do you think that Rush is always correct? There is no way he could have magically calculated the lenght of the journey just by looking at the map of Destinys path, and besides, by the time he made the statement the mapping wasn't complete. Go take your theory to the writer staff and btw what does your theory has to do with this episode? And the universe is a lot bigger than 15 billion light years, the observable universe is at least 93 billion light years, go check Wikipedia. If you know what that is. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 08:39, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, if the edge of the universe is 93 billion light years from Earth, then yes, that's extremely far. But still, there's no way Destiny could've traveled 93 billion light years. It's not fast enough. We know that Destiny takes rougly 1 month to travel between two galaxies. Given that information, there's no way Destiny could've travelled anywhere near 93 billion light years within hundreds of thousands of years. Rush must know how far Destiny has travelled. There has to be some kind of log on Destiny that at least counts the distance travelled. Every ship has that, even Gould Motherships. Now if a Replicator modified Gould Mothership can travel 4 million light years within half an hour or so, then a Replicator modified Asgard hyperdrive might be able to travel that same distance within minutes. Give the Replicators a ZPM and you'll be reach Destiny in no time. And using the nanite creation machine on Atlantis to create a human form replicator should download the Atlantis database into the replicator. FRAN seemed to have a lot of knowledge about the Asurans and the ZPM's. Some of the ancient knowledge must've been downloaded into her. So combine all those things and you'll have a ship capable of travelling to Destiny in a relatively short time period. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 15:53, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- The Asgard hyperdrive on Thor's ship was really fast, capable of traveling from Ida to Milky Way in a very short time, it's possible that the replicators modified the Goau'ld hyperdrive with Asgard knowledge, but I think that naquadah generators aren't capable of fully powering the drive to its top performance. And Destiny has had a lot of time to travel, so it's very far. And still: several ≠ 3, 3 is a few. But I don't heve energy now to throw well thought counters to your far-fetched fantheories, so I'm going to return to my earlier point: Science fiction. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 19:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
Your all to optimistic. Even if you could make a friendly replicator with the ability to upgrade REALLY old ancient technology with enhanced Asgard upgrades thats still a long way... even with a ZPM(which you don't just pull out of thin air), plus, Destiny has a destination, and since the rumors say it is the key to untold power, no one is going to pass it up...75.20.160.172 01:53, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- What could Destiny possibly take you to? What power or technology could it lead to that the Ancients or Asgard don't already have? Atlantis and the Asgard Core combined are probably greater than anything Destiny could offer. My prediction is that whatever Destiny finds, is just some meaning of life stuff and the whole crew unites and becomes buddies. They're sent home by some alien race with a huge power source and once home, they crawl into bed with their loved ones. Meaning of life stuff vs. combined knowledge and technology of the Ancients and Asgard. hmmm, no need to think there. Clearly the Ancients abandoned Destiny because they thought it wasn't worth it anymore. If the destination is the secret to ascension, then Atlantis's database is all anyone needs. Rescuing the crew is more important than whatever destination Destiny has. And I'm confident friendly replicators are the answer. We know friendly replicators are possible. McKay succeeded in making one. Why not another? And if we really must reach the Destination, then I'm sure eventually another Icarus planet will be found. If that happens, they can dial the gate and send through some supplies as well as several Replicators. All they have to do is let the Replicators infest Destiny and we'll have a ship that's 100 times better than how it used to be in no time. The weapons on Destiny could be modified to fire Replicator blocks onto any enemy ships. Destiny could probably reach it's destination within a day thanks to Ancient and Asgard upgrades from the Replicators. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:06, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- working with replicators would inevitably go wrong, the writers would guarantee it. it's inherently dangerous, and if it worked safely they would have an easy solution to a ton of problems ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 06:45, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
—SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 08:01, November 2, 2010 (UTC)Fran was only friendly because she wanted to fulfill the meaning of her existence. her purpose. If we created replicators to save the destiny crew, eventually, they'd turn around and say, "hey, why should we sacrifice our lives to save these people." and all hell would break lose.
Replicators are the most dangerous race, enemy or thing ever encountered in the known universe. No way anyone is going to risk everything for ~80 people... Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 13:59, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Fran wanted to fulfill her mission. So we make saving the Destiny crew the Replicators's mission. They'll want to fulfill it. Once they fulfill it, we can use the shutdown code like the one in Ark of Truth, and they'll become harmless blocks. Why would the Replicators go bad before they fulfill the meaning of their existence, their purpose. It's basically Replicators on Demand. You program them for a very specific task, and once they complete it, you destroy them. They're only dangerous after they've completed their mission and revert back to their base goal of replicating. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 15:17, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah..., but like I said; ~80 people vs the universe. A very hard choice. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
sorry but no thanks. we can't risk everything for 80 people. also, how would we get the shutdown command code to them? they'd have the device on atlantis/earth, remember? the asurans' mission was to defeat the wraith yet they went against the ancients..well not really. all they did was say "not anymore" and the ancients destroyed them. the same thing would happen. the replicators would just be like, "ugh, no thanks. this is lame." —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 23:28, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- The shutdown command can just be transmitted over a radio signal over a certain frequency. Once the replicators pick it up, they'll shut down. I'm pretty sure that the signal is just some kind of simple radio frequency. And even so, the Replicators' purpose is to rescue the crew and get back to Earth. Once back at Earth, they can easily use the shutdown code. The Asurans were wiped out by the ancients because they didn't want to fight the Wraith but they were forced to because of their programming. That's why the ancients destroyed the Asurans. Not because the Asurans turned against them. In fact, the Asurans can't attack any Ancients because it's part of their base code. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 23:45, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
yeah well we don't know how to change their base code to that extent.