Information about their technology should be added to the Technolgy category.
Although it was only speculation, Jackson thought the tolan were so advanced because they had skipped the dark ages, meaning that their culture was about 800 years beyond earth. Maybe this should be added to the history section in some way.
Probobly, we know they basically fought to the last man, and were unable to escape through the Stargate, no Starships were able to escape either. 2 possibilities, they all died, or someone was captured and made into a host, but since the Goa'uld never showed any of their technologies, Its believed that the Tollan people all died.126.96.36.199 16:11, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
- There's still colonies of them out there and they're said to still be alive, albeit living in a feudal state, in the Roleplaying Game. They will also feature in Stargate Worlds both before and after the invasion by Anubis, so they're definitely still around. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 17:29, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I suppose you can count the role playing game, and say that supports the theory of their being a few tollans out there, but Stargate worlds is kind of like an alternate timeline surrounding this time period, and not really at all something to go with. However, the shows, like SG-1, count much higher, and judging by that they are now completely wiped out. They had only Tollana on the show, and if they existe3d, their would have been mention of it. The show is Stargate Canon, the other things... sorta count, but only if they dont contradict the shows/movies.188.8.131.52 01:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Both the Roleplaying Game and Stargate Worlds are completely canon and so they count completely. They are not alternate realities, alternate timelines, or non-canon. As such, we use them as source material for this wiki and will always do so. Therefore, there are still many Tollans alive both on Tollana and on their offworld colonies. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 08:14, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I dont believe that Stargate Worlds counts at all as Canon, judging from this wiki's own what is canon page, stargate worlds gets no mention. But things on the shows are always the highest degree of canon, the others only count when they don't contradict the shows however, and in this case, the Tollan dont have colonies, They evacutated their enitire populace to tollana from their original world. 184.108.40.206
- So, your saying that after the tollan world is attacked by the Goa'uld, and all defences failed, and all fleeing ships are shot down, that the SGC continues to visit Tollana and fight the Goa'uld occupation, and discovering Tollan's in hiding? Any source that that we consider truly official specifically saying it counts as real Canon? Oh, side note I guess the Goa'uld bring a new gate to the planet after the Tollan one is destroyed? Also, your saying the SGC teams have extremelly advanced ablative armor, and that the Asgard have a group that is active in the affairs of the SGC, in canon?220.127.116.11 20:42, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- There is no source so far that has the SGC visiting Tollana or finding any surviving Tollans. Nevertheless, we have canon sources which state that many Tollans survived on Tollana and lived in a feudal state, changing the purpose of much of their technology to cope with the newly devastated planet. There are also offworld Tollans in both spaceships and on colony worlds which also exist. The Tollan Stargate itself was buried by Anubis' attack but in no way was it destroyed. And yes, Stargate Worlds is indeed canon as stated by the writers of the show which overrules anything you feel. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 20:55, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if Stargate Worlds is considered canon, then you have all those things going on, like ablative armor, Active Asgard presence qwith their drones, and people visiting tollana afterward. And yes, specifically stated by Narim, the Stargate was "destroyed", as well as the ships attempting to escape being shot down and all defences failing. I cant find sources stating that the game is canon, if you could tell me where it was said, by writers of the show it'd be appreciated. But even if it is canon, when it contradicts the onscreen evidence, it doesnt count.
- Yes, we do have all those things. As of yet, however, we've not seen footage from Stargate Worlds to suggest that the Tau'ri are able to visit it after its destruction. It's entirely possible that it may be a Goa'uld/Jaffa-only world, we'll just have to wait and see. The last thing we heard from Tollana is, and I quote "…all defenses failing. Our ships attempting to escape are being shot down…I just wanted you to know that…" which does not state that they're destroyed, simply that they're losing the battle. We then have O'Neill, in season five, stating "Yeah, now see that's going to be a problem, seeing as how they've been wiped out by the Goa'uld!" meaning that the SGC definitely didn't have any contact with them by that point in time. As Stargate Worlds is set in season eight it's entirely possible that the SGC, by that point, will have got in touch with them and discovered there are survivors. Also please see here and here for the canon status of the game. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:20, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, so, I just watched, it again, I can see how some Tollan's might in fact be alive, having fled away from the city, and while it says ships are being shot down, he doesnt say all ships have been shot down. However, he did specifically say the Stargate had been destroyed, not just cut off from the gate, buried, but literally destroyed. Its believeable that the Goa'uld, if they wanted, could bring a new gate in from some other world, while continuing their occupation in the hope of capturing, and killing, Tollans, as well as searching ruins for technology to use or reverse engineer, which would be a way of staying in with the canon statement from Narim, its not like there havent been little inconsistencies, in canon before, and usually the onscreen evidence pretty much always overrides offscreen statements. And isnt the game set both before and after the attack on the Tollan's, not just in season 8, as in you progress through to season 8, possibly beyond later? Oh, and Narim would also have a much better understanding of what sort of "punishment" the stargate the Tollan's constructed could take, unlike people of the Tau'ri, who often think a gate would be destroyed, yet it manages to survive, and dont understand its construction. 18.104.22.168 02:43, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
I'm positive most of them didn't survive Anubis's attack on Tollana, however there may have been some offworld colonies at the time.
Spelling of their former ‘neighbor’ planet? Edit
Was just reading the article and I noticed that the name of the Tollan's former neighboring planet (which abused the technology the Tollans gave them, ending in the complete evacuation of the former Tollan homeworld as well as established their decision to not share any technology with any less advanced cultures) is spelled differently in the top of the article from the bottom of the article.
Top of article:
“The people of Serita used the technology to wage war and in doing so destroyed themselves, shifting the orbital path of Tollan...”
Bottom of article:
“The original Tollan homeworld was destroyed by giving a neighboring planet, Sarita, a device to produce unlimited productive energy.”
As you can see, the top gives the spelling as ‘Serita’ but the bottom gives the spelling as ‘Sarita.’ Minor change, I know, and I'd go ahead and fix it but it can go with either spelling (since I don't know), but we should at least pick one (preferably the correct one, whichever it is) and keep it consistent.
13:09, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
A Satire of Star Trek?Edit
Recently I've been wondering whether Stargate took the more common jabs at the 'Star Trek Philosophy' and - while eventually writing it into the story themselves - does anyone actually think that perhaps the Tollan were exactly that, a satire of the dogmatic, pacifistic way that shows like Voyager were constantly trumpeting?Lightningbarer (talk) (Contribs) 20:49, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
A problem with the origin story of the Tollan being from Mesoamerica: their writing is cuneiform: something that did not exist in Mesoamerican society. Also, Mesopotamian society is much older, which would make more sense with the idea that they developed without the social hangups of the Dark Ages, etc. Between this and the episodes of the first season involving Mesopotamian society, I'm guessing that the original writers were at first going to place them as being from Sumer, not Mesoamerica. 22.214.171.124 16:01, June 21, 2016 (UTC)turner