Talk: Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection

How much is this magazine canon?

OK I know that a lot of informations of this magazine are put into the articles of this wikia (especially specs) but after reading through a lot of these magazines I found several points that IMO are speculation (f.e. the gate adresses which are shown several times to contradict infos on screen). Although I think that the artworks of these magazines are great and useful I question how much infos of the magazines should be used in this wikia. Sorry if this question was asked earlier but I would like to hear your opinions on this topic. Diabound00 15:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I was about to make a comment just like this on the Talk:Hive Ship page. I'm glad I decided to check here first, and I have to agree. I've gotta say, I don't know why any information from these DVD magazines is used. I've come across a number of pages that include gate addresses cited in the magazine that are blatantly wrong (they include Abydos and Earth's points of origin). I also agree with Sman789's comment on the Asuran pistol that 15 meters is ridiculously short range, and the comments on the Hive Ship page that the hives clearly contain more than 50 darts. Not to mention Heru'ur, which seems to be the only instance ever in the Goa'uld language that a dash is used instead of an apostrophe. And Bilskirnir, despite the fact that the spelling matches Norse mythology, it is clearly pronounced "Biliskner" in the series (which is acceptable). Which also reminds me, (off topic) Biliskner still exists as a page. —Ka'lel 01:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

First of all, we have no evidence that the default load for the Hive Ship is more than 50 darts. We already know that Hive Ships can carry 4 cruisers, and so if those cruisers carried their own darts or were missing and instead replaced with darts then of course there would be more. However, the default load could very well be 50 darts. Secondly, the show itself shows many gate addresses using the Abydos or Earth points of origin (check the SGC screens when they're going through gate addresses) and so that's hardly a problem with the magazine, and more with the show. Heru'ur is used as the official spelling in the proper subtitles, in other source material, as well as (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here) the end credits of the shows he's in. The Asuran pistol is given an optimum range of 15 meters, it never states that it can fire 15 meters and no more...though, even if it did, we've never seen it fire more than that in the show so we'd have went with it. In regards to the Bilisknir/Bilskirnir stuff, the magazine clearly states that Thor's ship is the Bilisknir which is a Bilskirnir-class ship. This contradicts nothing in the show. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 02:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, but...
In regards to the gate addresses, shouldn't the ones actually seen dialed in the show be considered canon regardless of whether or not they're incorrect? And if the magazine then contradicts an address already seen and dialed in the show (given the magazines come out after the airings of the episodes), shouldn't that information be considered non-canon?
And in regards to subtitles, they are anything but reliable and should really never be referenced for the spelling of anything if a better source can be used. I, myself, have seen many discrepencies, for example: "Asguard", "Tacs", "Amonet", "Keb", "Kronos", and more that I can't think of off the top of my head anymore.
Anyways, I went to the DVD collection site linked on this page, and aside from looking sketchy itself, there's no mention anywhere that it's an official source for information. I also can't find any indication that anyone who works on this magazine that has anything to do with the show(s). Because I've never actually seen an issue of the magazine myself, I was wondering if someone could give me some insight as to where the writers and illustrators of the magazine get their sources for information. Cheers. —Ka'lel 02:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Well how do you explain for the magazine saying Prometheus has Lazer Beams (or Lazer Batteries) here?—Anubis 10545 03:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The magazine merely reprints the official weapons given to them by the writers of the show. The same Laser Battery is seen in Stargate SG-1: The Ultimate Visual Guide which was written by Kate Ritter and approved by Richard Dean Anderson himself as you can see here. And yes, the website for the magazines is...well...it's crap plain and simple...but the illustrators of the magazine get their sources from...themselves, mostly. Many of the illustrators for the magazine also worked to illustrate things in the show itself, and so they just re-used their models for the magazines. In regards to the writers, although some of them were brought on board by GE Fabbri, many of them were simply taken from the crew who create The Official Magazine or other licensed material. Not to mention the fact that every issue has to go for approval with MGM themselves before it can be published. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, Jaymach, but after doing much research into the DVD Collection magazines (even going as far as e-mailing GE Fabbri for a confirmation of their sources - no response yet), I'm left with only your word as evidence that the writers and illustrators are connected to the show. The only artist I was able to connect - in any way - to the show was James Robbins who is credited as James Robbins (II) on imdb, and the only writer Sally Reeve I could find, writes fan-fic. (There's also a possibility these could be different people with coincidentally, the same names). Given what I feel to be glaring errors, I just can't accept the magazines as canon. Yes, maybe there are cruisers in the hive-ships with their own darts to deploy, but given the size of a cruiser, there's probably very few to add to the complement. And maybe, in the space where a cruiser would be, is a few darts, but this is all conjecture. Just watching the show, common sense tells you there's more than 50 darts to a hive ship. If you want a specific reference, The Hive has a great shot of just one of the dart bays, and later, darts are deployed in formations of 5, making them easy to count. I also still have an issue with their gate addresses. Anyways, this is all just my opinion and ultimately doesn't affect the site, but I felt it needed to be said for anyone who happens past this talk page. I understand that information will continue to be added to the site from these magazines, and said information will still be considered officially canon, but I'd also like to point out I couldn't find one instance of the word "official" attached to this magazine. So long as all information added to the wiki from these magazines reference the magazines as a source (as has been done up to this point, I think), I'll be happy. And I'll be taking it all with a massive grain of salt. Cheers.—Ka'lel 02:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow after reading all that and doing some research, i am wonder why if they are not made by mgm do we accept them. I've noticed aq few bad comments about this wiki elsehwere and this was given as on eof the reasons. why keep it if no one wants it.10:31, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Because our beloved self-declared dictator loves them, which is why I signed up on Gateworld. There is sort a rule that if the magazines contradict on-screen evidence, then that particular fact is not canon, but our Führer doesn't care for rules, oh no, if something has "Stargate" on it, then he thinks that every single aspect of it is canon. A nice example is the Wraith cruiser size. But hey, if a drunken no-life loser reporter puts it in a magazine that calls itself official, it's gotta be true right? Well, our "Stargate canon" article says that if something like this magazine contradicts stuff on-screen, then the on-screen stuff takes precedence. Our own article. But you can bet that if I were to follow this rule and make the change, I would be banned. In fact, I know because of a simple test a few moths back. Jauh0 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 11:39, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

We do take on-screen stuff over magazines and books, but we cannot see size on screen. I personally would be for adding a comment or a tag next to all seriously disputable information, but I don't have any strong objection to doing it Jaymach's way. The ideal situation for me would be a mix of both yours and his idea, a policy where the contradictory information has to be included (as Jaymach would like), but where it is also pointed out and made obvious that is doesn't quite fit. I would suggest we create a forum article to discuss alternate methods of tagging such information and propose a real solution that works for everyone, rather than calling Jaymach a self-declared dictator just because he won't immediately jump to the totally opposite opinion to what he has now and discard contradicting information altogether. At the moment we have a supergate sized at 400m, and an Ori warship with a width of 850m. I don't know if this is from a magazine or what, but it would be the perfect place for a whole new generation of tag :DSman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:49, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

There was a discussion some time ago where I suggested my idea and look what happened. Absolutely nothing. No one has the energy to really change things. Maybe a n00b like me but I don't have the wiki cred. Maybe that's the reason my idea is ignored cuz I'm a n00b here. :( The thing that bugs me is that apparently this wiki has rules about this stuff, like the "contradicts on-screen evidence" one, and it's good because it allows secondary material to fill in some gaps, though this info is completely trivial and useless. But when the wikis rules aren't followed and all new talk page sections regarding this are answered with "... ... ... and that's why we are not having this discussion"(not an actual quote, but you catch my drift) that's when I'm worried. And why is the Wraith cruisers size so important that it can't be left blank if a rational system is out of the question. Not that this wiki has vey critical information. But anyway, I may have shifted to a rant somewhere along the writing, but seriously, if nothing is going to change, then I'm definetily changing my focus to the other Stargate (shout)wiki and Gateworld. P.S. Who is calling Jaymach a self-declared dictator? Not me. ;) Jauh0 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:14, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

You said it in your last comment. Anyway, if you have an idea, start a forum page - you won't get banned for it and, if it's a good idea, many people who may not be regarded as "n00bs" will support you. Just try to leave comments like "Fuhrer" out of it :D Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:01, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

There was a good discussion in the front page talk page, but it kinda died. But I think that if I were to post a new forum thread then it wouldn't go very far simply because I'm pretty new here, one of the newest and maybe one of the loudest. I think it has to come from someone who's been here longer and can actually do stuff here beyond simple editing.(Like infoboxes, which aren't that hard, and other complicated stuff.) And I simply won't have the time for a long long discussion right now cuz although my holiday freedom continues till monday, my time is being eaten by Rome Total War and Fallout: New vegas. I can't fight them, they're too irresistible. Maybe in a week or so I'll try the forum approach. Jauh0 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 11:48, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Selling SG-1 collection

Hey guys, I've got issues 1 all the way to 62. Missing 63, but also have issues 64 and 64 which are of Atlantis. I'm just wondering if anyone is interested in buying the whole set? Im going to put it up on ebay soon...

All but the first 2 dvds are still sealed. The magazines are loose, but are still in very good condition. They've been in a box under my bed for a while, and I dont really plan on reading them anymore. —ElChristo ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

0.99p starting off price! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160413740022&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT —ElChristo ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 13:14, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Death Gliders can park on top of a Boeing-737 without even touching it.

According to the DVD mags, that is. What the hell I'm I talking about? See linked pics. As a relatively new watcher of the series, not quite up to date with the latest episodes yet, I won't pretend to be an expert on all things stargate, but having browsed around this wiki a little I've got to say that things keep smacking me in the face with bizarre contradictions and straight up absurdities. And they've all led me here. The first one that got me was the Death Glider and it's insane 45.9 meter wing span that's stated here. For those who aren't familiar with metric, here's what that looks like, with a modern day passenger airliner for reference. http://i.imgur.com/OYFw6.jpg

There is no room for interpretation or argument thre. The number is wrong. However! It's very interesting to note, that if you directly change that figure to 45.9 feet, you instead end up with this, http://i.imgur.com/YAAks.jpg . Which looks a damn sight more reasonable, or potentially even spot on. So all I can take from this is that the magazine staff are bungling fools who can't even tell metric from imperial, and can't be trusted, even if the material they were given might have been correct before they got their hands on it. I'm thinking a heavy dose of common sense and analysis needs to be given to anything taken from these DVD mags, rather than the blind faith re-printing and ignoring of blatant flaws that seems to be going on right now. As has been proven in just about every Sci-fi ever made, the fans know the world better than the producers, and mistakes are made. When things start getting handed off to a third party, the problem is amplified. It's a problem common to all series, and I've seen it more times than I have time to list.

The other two things that made me double take have already been mentioned here. The Ori ships being wider than the Super Gate, being one. And the hilariously tiny amount of darts in a Hive ship being another. I find it very hard to believe that a supposedly 10'000 meter (depending on source) Hive ship carries on 50, barely more than half the amount of fighter craft, transport helicopters, and bombers, that a current day 300 meter (and far narrower) ocean going aircraft carrier can hold (90). Even as a "default" complement of Darts, that's a honestly laughable number, especially considering the Wraiths whole advantage by numbers thing. Next I'll probably learn that these magazines claim the tens of thousands of Wraith aboard are forced to share only 100 stun weapons between them.

I'm not going to make edits, get involved in wiki politics or push for any of this myself. I've put far to much time into similar issues in other Sci-fi communities, but I just had to say something. Because this stuff needs fixing.

Regards, Somni 92.25.235.26 18:14, November 11, 2012 (UTC)