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| − | == Why does Destiny use all glyphs as PoO == |
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| + | The article says that the one-way travel of matter is a technological limitation, not a property of the wormhole. The show seems to indicate otherwise. Carter even comments on wormhole directionality in an academic setting in “[[Prodigy (episode)|Prodigy]]”. A fundamental property of wormholes makes more sense than gates only being able to deconstruct or reconstruct, especially since that’s contradicted by the shows several times. — [[User:Alecperkins|Alecperkins]]<sup>([[User talk:Alecperkins|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Alecperkins|Contribs]])</sup> 17:35, May 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | Even though the ship is always moving it is never using the address of another planet's gate (It seems that prototype gates are not capable of the override feature that Avalon and Pegasus gates have) so if the address is always constant why is their PoO always changing? is this the same with all prototype gates? And what happens when destiny finds a planet that's address uses the same glyph as its PoO, does it dials that glyph twice?--[[Special:Contributions/99.135.151.8|99.135.151.8]] 11:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | ==Recieving gate showing adress== |
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| + | Alright strange question that came to mind while writing some FF. |
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| − | When they tried to dial Earth the first time, the one, who found the adress said "8 symbols, no point of origin given, the last symbol seems to be a kind of distance, calculation" and young replies "Try it 36 times", perhaps, this is also true with 7 symbol adresses. It also seems, that 7 symbol-adresses were not coordinates, since, when eli checked the adresses after his team was left behind he recognized destinys adress, despite the fact, destiny has moved and there werent any descriptions on the screen, only gate-symbols. they might be a sort of serial number. Oh, and if possible, can anyone check if the 7th symbol is the same for all adresses seen on the remote? sg27[[Special:Contributions/80.226.46.32|80.226.46.32]] 07:25, May 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | What happens when a gate is dialled and it spinns: |
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| − | :7th symbol on the remote is the same for all addresses, and, because, 7th symbol for all addresses from that planet was the same, but is different from Destiny (from different locations), 7th symbol have to be a point of origin, and, I assume, the Ancients just forget to put unique symbol on Destiny's stargate, that's why Destiny use all glyphs as PoO {{User:Vilnisr/sig}} - 08:21, May 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | #It spins to lock onto its own adress to show that it is the gate being dialled from somewhere else. |
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| + | #It spins to lock onto the dialing gate's address to show what address it is being dialled from. |
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| − | == Stargate variant == |
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| − | Didn't the Pegasus Replicators use a modified stargate that only had 8 Chevrons? There's a picture of it in here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_%28device%29 Stargate (device) on Wikipedia]. - {{unsigned|155.8.89.2}} |
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| − | :They did indeed. Also, the orbital Stargate seen in the [[Stargate Atlantis]] [[Atlantis Season 5|season 5]] episode [[Ghost in the Machine]] seemed to have only 8 chevrons as well, though that may have been an oversight on part of the SFX department. - [[User:Bell'Orso|Bell'Orso]] 13:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I am sorry that I write to the old topic but i think it is worth the risk. Do we really now that asurans satelite has only 8 chevrons? I know. we can argue that it is asuran design and thus yes but we cannot say that it had only 8 chevrons in that episode. We cannot say it because in some episodes the gates had also only 8 chevrons and in one episode, it was even the milky way stargate with 8 chevrons. For example here are episodes where I noticed bad gate - {{Cite|ATL|The Return, Part 1}} (there in the bridge there are both gates bad. Even milky way had only 8 chevrons) ,{{Cite|ATL|First Strike}} , {{Cite|ATL|Be All My Sins Remember'd}} , {{Cite|atl|Ghost in the Machine}} and {{Cite|ATL|Midway}} but here i am not sure, it is case of milky way gate. it has very strange position of the chevrons but is not clearly visible so I think it is also wrong gate. If I am right. entire problem with 8 chevrons is only bad model used by animators. They simply did not notice it. what do you thing?--[[User:ScorpiO|ScorpiO]] 05:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Its possible that all of the 8 chevron spacegates were also built by the Asurans and can thus explain this continuity error--[[Special:Contributions/99.135.144.37|99.135.144.37]] 21:45, May 6, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::No. An- Lanteans definitely built most/all of them. Only Stargates that the Asurans have built [that we know of], are the one in Asuras and the one in the Satellite. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 06:03, July 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | As I see it there is information to show for both cases. SGC personnel seem to be able to identify who's coming in before the wormhole has been established which could be due to them knowing what teams are off world and when they're due back. At other times they seem oblivios until they get radio conntact, a GDO code or another transmission. |
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| − | == Continuity error == |
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| − | In the episode "Children of the Gods" they travel back and forward in the wormhole (Apophis and his men). - {{unsigned|Fattomenty}} |
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| − | :No they don't, they dial the gate with a wristworn DHD. [[User:Iaselar|Iaselar]] 18:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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| + | Now according to the physics I was thought in school two or three years ago all energy is and can be threated as vibrations of some sort so here's a very simple way of seeing things. Matter is only allowed through from the dialing gate while energy(vibrations) are allowed in both directions. |
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| + | If you have two aluminium cans (representing the two event horizons) and a rubber tubing between them (the wormhole) and you (dialing gate) are asked by someone (the DHD) to send a liquid (the transfered matter) to someone else (recieving gate) through the tubing. Then you could basically throw the other end to the reciever and start pumping the liquid, they would not need to know who was sending the liquid, because it is the reciever's jobb to take the liquid it would be satisfied that it has recieved it and it would not have to ask who sent it to do its job. If we stretch the tubing we will now have a medium through which we can send vibrations back and forth, but the reciever will still not know who is causing the vibartions unless the sender choses to identify him. |
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| − | Ever sins the arctic gate was destroyed earth has been using the browed Russian gate witch has caused many political problems so why could they not just have taken a star gate from any uninhabited planet wit the Prometheus or one of the over ships |
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| − | :Because they dont need to and it would be a waste of time and resources finding one that isnt being used. [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] 20:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | Of course this is extremely different from actuall wormhole physics, yet I believe it to be an addequate comparisson for this question and if it is then there is nothing that would require the sending gate to tell the recieving gate to tell its address, meaning that the recieving gate can not spin/dial to show the address of the calling gate. |
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| − | They managed to find 34 gates in the milky way system to build the intergalactic gate bridge, 35 was to much I don't think so and keep in mind that A lot of milky way gates Are unused or on uninhabited planets |
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| − | ==Image== |
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| − | Would it be possible for someone to come up with a better LEGAL image for the infobox. The current picture (in my opinion) doesn't reflect on the true greatness of how the Stargate actually looks.—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] 22:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :Please, I can't find a better image and as this will soon be the featured article, I'd really rather have a better picture to put on the front page.—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] 05:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == The Tollans as Gatebuilders == |
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| + | Any thoughts and/or ideas about the subject? |
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| − | According to the current text: "The [[Ancient]]s, the [[Nox]], the [[Asuran]]s and the [[Tollan (people)|Tollan]]s are the only known races that have managed to build Stargates." Given the specifics of the [[Tollan Stargate]] (history section), I'm not sure the Tollans should be credited with building a stargate. I believe the "spirit" of line I quoted above is to point out the races that have the technological-know how to build a gate. Under this intrepreation, the Ori are also Gatebuilders.--[[User:Slackergate5|Slackergate5]] 10:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:W1553|W1553]] <sup>([[User talk:W1553|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/W1553|Contribs]])</sup> 23:35, April 12, 2016 (UTC) |
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| − | The Nox built it for the Tollan, or at least told them how to build it, so no they shouldnt be on the list. |
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| − | :Looking at the Transcript: it reads: |
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| − | Narim- The ''Nox and the Tollan'' were able to devise a way to get us there. |
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| − | Carter- So you built that... Stargate?<br /> |
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| − | Narim- Yes.<br /> |
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| − | Because of this, the Tollan ''should'' be credited.—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] 18:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | ==Amelius didn't invent Stargates ?== |
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| − | I think that the fundamental problem we are debating is whether a particular race has the technological know-how to independently build a stargate. Since the [[Tollan (people)|Tollan]] needed the assistance of the [[Nox]], they obviously lacked the aforementioned ability to design/build a stargate. Perhaps the article should be changed to read: |
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| + | What you think ? |
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| − | The [[Ancient]]s, the [[Nox]], the [[Asuran]]s and the [[Ori]] are the only known races that have the necessary knowledge needed to independently construct Stargates.--[[User:Slackergate5|Slackergate5]] 21:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Asgard could probably build it too... though it seems that they much prefered to use their warships. (They most probably did not like the idea that they are stepping to unknown on the other side withtheir fragile bodies)--[[User:Paeris|Paeris]] <sup>([[User talk:Paeris|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Paeris|Contribs]])</sup> 14:46, May 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | well here's the thing. the ancients are the ''ORIGINAL'' gatebuilders. all the other races built them after the ancients did. the tollan built their stargate with the help from the nox. the ori used ascended knowledge. the stargate was thought up of by an ancient just be4 he left the planet in the ark of truth.—[[User:SupremeCommander|SupremeCommander]] 19:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :The planet, and the whole Ori Galaxy.[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] 19:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | I think that [http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Amelius Amelius] didn't design first stargate. At least he didn't formulate it the night before the Alterans left their home galaxy, because how else Ori could had stargates unless they shared that technology before Alterans split to two faction ? |
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| − | == Entering a receiving wormhole... == |
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| + | It could been that he had invented something related to stargates, but not stargates themselves. |
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| − | I just watched [[A Hundred Days]] and they send a MALP through a stargate which is facing upwards and the MALP is destroyed shortly after leaving the wormhole. Is this reason enough to say that entering a receiving wormhole is like standing in the kawoosh instead of saying it it unknown what happens? --[[User:SilentGuy|SilentGuy]] 22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I'd agree it is [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] 22:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Well, if you watch the episode "Shades of Gray" where O'Neill sticks his gun in an incoming wormhole to hold it open, it would seem that the hyperspatial buffer thing works both ways. Seeing as how communications can travel both ways through a wormhole, I theorize that you would be changed to energy and go through the wormhole, however, you would not be rematerialized once you reached the other side. But that is just going by what the show has shown me in some of the episodes, it seems like they change the rules a lot. What I really want to see is someone enter from the back. I'm not sure what would happen, but I am sure that hilarity would ensue. --[[User:Undomesticatedequine69|Undomesticatedequine69]] 16:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | you wont reach the other side, since the enegetisiced matter cant travel in the wrong direction |
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| − | Entering the back of a stargate might allow your matter to reach the spatial buffer gate, but you wont be send. my theory is that any matter that enters the stargate from either side is dematerialized, but only when entering the front the gate scans the original form of that matter to produce "blueprints". This means that your hand woultn´t be rematerialized if you try to pull it out of the wrong side. When the stargate sends the matter it also sends informations (blueprints) that tell the receiving gate, how to rematerialize it. In "Red sky" sam says that a wormhole may pic up and place matter on its path, if matter (plutonium or something else) reaches the destination-gate it wont be rematerialized since it was not on the blueprint. If matter is lost on the way it might be replaced by matter piced up earlier (all atoms are composed of protons, electrons and neutrons, so altering the numer of these, would change the kind of matter and allowes the gate to replace any kind of matter) |
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| − | It was often said that a gate tranforms the matter into energy, but this might be becaus of the wormhole itself and not by the gate since when the wormhole is shut down, when energie is still en route it would be placed somwhere in space as matter again, but not in the same form as before (When Water is sent through it may become a number of hydrogen and oxygen atoms but not as h2o) |
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| − | --[[Special:Contributions/84.150.158.228|84.150.158.228]] 13:33, November 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:Blomstar|Blomstar]] <sup>([[User talk:Blomstar|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Blomstar|Contribs]])</sup> 18:25, June 25, 2016 (UTC) |
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| + | :It is possible, like many new technologies in real life, that the stargate is one of many creations resulting from the cumulative increase in technological advancements made by prior scientists over time, each contribution eventually leading up to the creation of the stargate devices. If this is the case with the stargates then the ancestors of the Ori and Ancients would have shared the same technologies and eventually made their own. As shown when they compared Ancient and Ori energy crystals that were comparable in power and shape but ultimately different from being separated for so long. The fact the Ori also have transporter rings, one of the precursor technologies to stargates, is another factor to take into account. |
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| + | :In this case, Amelius would have simply been an important figure and creator responsible for creating stargates on our side of things, taking the "fame" with him as well. |
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| − | I believe that when you touch a wormhole that's inbound whatever touches will be disintegrated. I think O'neill is only able to keep it open because he kept his gun in the wormhole the whole time, resulting in the buffer being full. 10:06, March 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | :It may explain why the Ori created the supergates (a variant of their own version of a stargate) while the Ancients never did (which would have proven ridiculously useful for fast travel between galaxies) or at least it was never mentioned or theirs were destroyed by blackholes a long time ago. It is also possible that the Ori simply reverse engineered Ancient stargates rather quickly. |
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| − | i dont think so. in one episode a guy found a stargate, that was previously buried. Then the gate received an incoming wormhole (from SGC). At first he was frightened by the kawoosh but then touches the event horizon and pulls his finger out, unharmed. I dont know the name but it was the episode sg1 was captured because the people thought they were spies from another country, which believe they were brought to the planet through a portal, instead of being created by a god. sg27[[Special:Contributions/80.226.15.22|80.226.15.22]] 08:11, May 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::[[New Ground]], also, [[Shades of Grey]] --[[User:Глючарина|Глючарина]] <sup>([[User talk:Глючарина|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Глючарина|Contribs]])</sup> 09:55, May 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | :Anyways, these are just my thoughts on the matter, thinking out loud. |
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| + | :[[User:Hirobian|Ad infinitum et ultra!]] <sup>([[User talk:Hirobian|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Hirobian|Contribs]])</sup> 20:35, June 25, 2016 (UTC) |
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| − | Does anyone else dislike having a Pegasus spacegate as the main image, I know an image of a milky way gate in the SGC is lower down but I would like this instead to be the primary image. Although I would prefer an image of a stargate in one of those stone platforms since that seems how they appear in most of the galaxy. Such as this |
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| − | [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/SG1stargate.jpg| wikipedia image]<br /> |
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| − | [[User:Fa6ade|Fa6ade]] 11:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | : Not that one, it focuses on Oneil as much as it does on the gate. I'm sure there are better ones. But I agree a milky way gate on a stone platform would be a good idea. |
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| − | ::Previously we had an image of a Milky Way gate that wasn't even from the series (being a drawn rendition). While I too would prefer a Milky Way gate, the clearest and most descriptive image of a Stargate available is a Pegasus galaxy one. Also, we could never get an image of a Milky Way gate by itself because it would need to be on a planet to be clear enough to get a fair description of (whereas Pegasus gate are usually seen in space and therefore the gate itself is the main focus.)—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] 03:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I believe that it makes most sense to use a Pegasus Stargate. They are the latest model/version of the Stargate. Do you use a turn-dial telephone to show off the technology of telephones, or do you use a more modern, sophisticated example, like a wireless phone (cordless landline/mobile phone). |
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| − | :::Also, Pegasus gates are much prettier :) [[Special:Contributions/24.245.105.48|24.245.105.48]] 07:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Milky Way gates kick butt! And I'll have you know I love my rotary phone! --[[User:Undomesticatedequine69|Undomesticatedequine69]] <sup>([[User talk:Undomesticatedequine69|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Undomesticatedequine69|Contribs]])</sup> 19:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == History of Stargates on Earth == |
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| − | I was looking for information on the two Earth Stargates, and I can't find it here... I mean like a progression of who owned which gate, etc. I've only watched through Season 5, and this is what I gathered so far: |
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| − | # Stargate is first discovered in Egypt. The U.S. acquires this Stargate; the Russians come into possession of the dialing device for it. |
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| − | # Second Stargate with DHD is discovered in Antarctica, and is used for some time by NID, later sealed/unused. |
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| − | # The first Stargate from Egypt is beamed onto the Asgard ship, and is recovered by Russians from the ocean when the Asgard ship is destroyed. Now Russians have both the Egyptian Stargate and the dialing device for it. |
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| − | # In the U.S., SGC retrieves the Antarctica gate to use instead of the Egypt one. I'm assuming, they must have the dialing device somewhere, but they don't use it because they have computer setup that they like, that keeps track of known locations, of where they went and where not to go under any circumstances, etc. |
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| − | # SGC borrows the Russian DHD and it's accidentally destroyed. |
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| − | -- [[Special:Contributions/69.254.170.227|69.254.170.227]] 23:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::The Beta gates DHDs power source was depleted shortly after it was recovered. I think it was said in the episode where Teal'c was stuck in the gate [[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] 11:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Earth has the most stargates in the universe: |
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| − | 1 (unconfirmed) Destiny-style gate 100.000.000 Years ago till the construction of the beta-gate |
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| − | 2 Destinys stargate, during the ships construction |
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| − | 3 Antarctic-Gate 50.000.000 Years ago left behind when Atlantis left Earth untill its destruction |
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| − | 4 (unconfirmed) Stargate on Atlantis when Atlantis left Earth (unknown Type, likely MW-Type, Replaced by PG-Type when Atlantis reached Lantea) |
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| − | 5 Giza-Gate since 10.000 Years ago. (Egypt, Achilles, Ocean (several times) SGC, Russia, Orbit) |
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| − | 6 Gate on Klorels Ship (orbit) |
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| − | 7 (unconfirmed) Gate on Apophis Ship (orbit) |
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| − | 8 Orlins Minigate. (Burned out) |
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| − | 9 Atlantis Beta-Gate near the golden-GATE-bridge |
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| − | 10 PG-Gate on the Super-Hive-Ship till its destruction (orbit) |
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| − | sg-27[[Special:Contributions/80.226.20.58|80.226.20.58]] 08:49, March 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | *a very well made chronology. Though the only one that doesn't make sense is the first Atlantis Gate. I think Atlantis left without a gate onboard because they could not use one during the trip to Pegasus and Pegasus already had prototype gates seeded in it,(from what we saw of Destiny's flight-plan and Destiny always follows Stargate seeder ships).When the Ancients arrived on Lantea, they probably just used one of the Prototype Gates until they could establish a more modern network--[[Special:Contributions/99.135.151.8|99.135.151.8]] 18:19, May 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | @80.226.20.58; 1. Re-used/made/upgraded to MW style 4. What? Either Atlantis kept the gate or left without a gate 5. Is the current gate in SGC 6. Destroyed 7. Destroyed/Didn't have one 10. Destroyed —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 18:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | The Stargate that was in Atlantis till it left earth was most likely the beta gate--[[User:A scotsman|A scotsman]] <sup>([[User talk:A scotsman|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/A scotsman|Contribs]])</sup> 20:13, July 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | It might be important to note that the shape of the glowing part of the Destiny's gate is actually the shape of the ship. |
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| − | the destiny stargate has different glyphs then other stargates in the way the glyphs don't appear to be constellations i think this must be so it can more easily interface with other networks with other constellations[[User:Sirhobo33|Sirhobo33]] <sup>([[User talk:Sirhobo33|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sirhobo33|Contribs]])</sup> 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :They don't ''use'' constellations, they ''represent'' constellations, except with ''Destiny'''s... —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 06:07, July 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | i thought the stargate weighed like sixty something tons |
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| − | I do believe Ori built few of them too. [[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] 11:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It is said that stargates can be sealed by burying them at least partially on the ground, but some stargates, like Atlantis' of Destiny's have the lower part of the gate in the floor, so they should'nt be able to work. And there are no visible retractable parts of the floor to uncover the gates lower portion, so how can they work? [[User:Zeldafan|Zeldafan]] <sup>([[User talk:Zeldafan|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Zeldafan|Contribs]])</sup> 03:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :All/most of the gates on planets are like that. I haven't really thought of that... [[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 05:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :It must need to be buried up to the point where it would interfere with the "kwoosh". may be it is a fail-safe to keep some idiot from standing in an activating gate[[User:Sirhobo33|Sirhobo33]] <sup>([[User talk:Sirhobo33|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sirhobo33|Contribs]])</sup> 23:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | "The gate does not begin transmitting an object until it has entirely passed through the event horizon." |
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| − | I seem to remember an episode where some one tied themselves to something and went through the gate. They emerged hanging on the other side. Is there any explanation or theory for that? --[[Special:Contributions/71.79.134.3|71.79.134.3]] 21:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Yes, rope is a special material capable of violating the laws of physics for the enjoyment of an audience. --[[User:Undomesticatedequine69|Undomesticatedequine69]] <sup>([[User talk:Undomesticatedequine69|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Undomesticatedequine69|Contribs]])</sup> 19:47, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | If you talk about the episode "a hundred days": Teal´c shot a harpune into the outgoing wormhole, so the harpune and rope were stored within the gate. then he entered the gate while pulling back the rope into the shot-device. Then the transmission begins after receiving the data the gate on the other side remateriazes the harpune, which retains its original speed and pierces the ceiling then tealc rematerializes hanging on the ceiling. |
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| − | Icarus wans't built by the Ancients. The reason was well explained in the episode. [[User:Jauh0|Jauh0]] <sup>([[User talk:Jauh0|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jauh0|Contribs]])</sup> 23:46, October 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | The pyramid symbol is Earth's point of origin. By moving the gate to Earth it became the point of origin for Earth. The system would be programmed to recognize that. The older one might have worked, too. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 23:53, October 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ok with the new SG:U now on the air i have a question? what gate style was created 1st, i have the following notes that all conflict with other notes: |
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| − | so far i see no issues Destiny's gate style came first, then they created the Milkyway style then the built Atlantis (the city ship) and as they built it the Pegasus gate was built with it, or was placed there after it left to Pegasus) however in Ark of Truth we see that book from the guy that created the stargates, the timeship and other cool toys we wish was real, the book is the earliest known picture of the Stargate since it is BEFORE IT WAS BUILT he told that woman "I have an idea to tell you" or something like that, the book and the picture is on this page shows the Milkyway gate (the glyphs are the Milkyway ones) |
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| − | it could be that the Beta gate was the 1st gate to be created ever, based of the book from Ark of Truth and somehow it falled, but if that is true then why go back to it after they started to seed planets with the Destiny style gates? |
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| − | also if Destiny seeded Pegasus then why are they not the same style, Destiny was an unmaned seed ship that started from Earth did the computer say "i hate the look of the stargates (Destiny style) i'm going to make it look like this (Milkyway style)." then said "i hate the look of the stargates (Milkyway style) i'm going to make it look like this (Pegasus style)." |
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| − | :The Destiny is NOT a seed ship. It was built after the seed ships were launched, as a way for the Ancients to explore the galaxies after the stargates were planted. -[[User:Grimace427|Grimace427]] <sup>([[User talk:Grimace427|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Grimace427|Contribs]])</sup> 16:58, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Easy. The milky way was seeded first, because it's their home galaxy. No reason to seed your glaxy, then upgrade the design and re-seed it again - complete waste. After Milky Way they probably sent out automatic seeder ships starting with the Destiny design - but it was more efficient to build a ship and send it in a straight direction than to have them do the nearest galaxy first. And Atlantis was seeded by a later (if not the last) stargate design. Heck, it's possible that there are a few dozen different designs out there. And Rush is just a complete idiot, but doesn't want to admit it because of his ego. After all, we have evidence to support most of these conclusions, while the only evidence that we have saying the Destiny gate is old is the ''opinion'' of Rush, who has been proven unreliable. [[Special:Contributions/98.127.168.159|98.127.168.159]] 10:20, March 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | i think destinys the most improved variant. the entire gate moves when dialling. also they have the PDA thing which dials. —[[User:DeadReanimation|DeadReanimation]] <sup>([[User talk:DeadReanimation|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DeadReanimation|Contribs]])</sup> 10:48, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Well look like we all have conflict about which stargate design came first. However if we undestand carefully on what are written on some article in stargate wiki like in [[Ancient]]s and [[Lantean]]s, we might guess which came first. Okay try and think when the Ancient left their home galaxy and find their way to Avalon ([[Milky Way]] [[galaxy]]), they built the first [[Stargate Network]] in Milky Way using the design that came up by [[Amelius]]. Understand this sentence I took from the Ancient article carefully, |
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| − | "When in the Pegasus Galaxy they built more metallic looking structures, but when they returned back to the milky way, they constructed in a Stone appearance again. One suggestion for this is that, when compared with the ancient technology in the milky way, the anciant structures in pegasus is relatively new (only 10,000 years old instead of 50 million years old)." |
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| − | This mean that the design in pegasus were made of metal instead of stone and was the lastest design. In addition the Stargate did not spin like those in Milky Way and this design could superseed the Milky Way design. From this we can conclude that the Pegasus design might be either second or last as it was after Milky Way design. This leave the destiny design to be also after the Milky way design but might be before the Pegasus design. Why I say this? |
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| − | This because the Destiny design were made of Metal not stone. In addition Destiny were launced on [[Earth|Terra]] before the Plague outbreak. The technology between the Milky Way and Pegasus were also seen in the destiny whci is the strgate soin and made of metal with. From this we can conclude the |
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| − | ::My theory is that Ancient seeded few gates per galaxy later planning to use this planets as basis for colonization. But after plague they desised to colonize only pegasus --<sup>([[User talk:Глючарина|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Глючарина|Contribs]])</sup> 12:31, October 14, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::;It's 1. Destiny, 2. Milky Way and 3. Pegasus. 'though I have no idea what I gained from posting this to a long-dead discussion, I did it anyway. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 11 |
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| − | <br />Destiny was launched from Earth, not before they arrived in the Milky Way, but after. My personal theory as to why they seem inferior.... They arrive in the Milky way, hundreds of millions of years ago, start working with Stargates(already been theorized, but starting to use the technology, now), place them out throughout their planets in the milky way. They Launch the seeding ships, and destiny at some point after this. Sometime later they improve the Stargate Technology, and upgrade all the Milky Way gates, and mass produce the slightly newer version in the Milky Way, but do not lose interest in the Destiny or the seeding ships, they are still somewhat important, and keep upgrade the Icarus base ready and upgraded. They get wiped out by the Plague, and Travel to the Pegasus Galaxy in their city ship, and utilize their latest developments over the course of a few million years, before the dawn of the wraith, who wipe them out. The original gates may have been deconstructed, for resources, or destroyed at some point in time, few ancient things lasted in the milky way as it is. They would have been fewer in number, because they werent as grand as later models which had the ability to travel anywhere in the galaxy. |
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| − | maybe it would have been better if in the SGU show the gates and ship are of the Ferlings Race so that 1. it would explain the ship/tech and gates not looking like the Ancient's styles (both the old Milky Way and "new" Pegasus) and we (the fans) could learn about the last of the 4 great races, (I'm with Jack O'neil, the Ferlings sound like a small cute fur covered bear like name, it would have been cool to see them as a big ugly hairless four armed clawed creatures that would scare the crap out of you.) -- Marc Chase, sorry no log-on name:-) |
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| − | :Hehehe, no Furlings in SGU. And the ''Destiny'' and it's technology pre-date that found in Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies with millions of years, which is the reason it ''differs'' from the technology you [[[Tau'ri]]] have met—[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 06:11, July 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | who said that 'prototype' meant the first gate ever. they may have had regular milywaywa gates and then decided that these types were easier to construct but not as advanced. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] <sup>([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Escyos|Contribs]])</sup> 01:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | If they had regular Milky Way gates then they would have stargate seeding ships that could create the level of technology that is present in the Milky Way gates, thats if they used stargate seeding ships to plant the Milky Way gates (which i believe they did as it would have been faster, easier and the smart thing to so). [[User:A scotsman|A scotsman]] <sup>([[User talk:A scotsman|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/A scotsman|Contribs]])</sup> 02:03, August 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :like i said maybe the SGU gates are easier to make and the automated seeder ships may have been incapable of making them. the SGU type gates are still good for basic exploration of a galaxy, coupled with the fact that the ancients would be able to control destiny and stop it from leaving if they werent aboard. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] <sup>([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Escyos|Contribs]])</sup> 02:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :Fair point but they wanted to learn about the universe and they would have most likly left some probes or Ancients on planets for longer observation like a planets weather planets, and the MW gates would be better. Back to your point about 'prototype' not meaning first, since when did it not. A second generation stargate would not be a prototype, and Rush said that he believes that the gate are the oldest there is, and he seems to be a expert on ancient tech. [[User:A scotsman|A scotsman]] <sup>([[User talk:A scotsman|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/A scotsman|Contribs]])</sup> 02:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :Rush said they predate them, that's what they do. He's the expert. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 07:42, September 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | The whole gate actually spins. Not just the front. This can be seen in [[Stargate Universe|SGU]] [[Air, Part 3]] at 02:38-02:40. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 07:22, October 23, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Yes! I knew it! The whole gate spins! In your face :) —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 02:29, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Hey man, I was on your side until I saw that behind the scenes video and I questioned whether or not I had actually ever seen the entire thing spin. I even undid that guy's edit, then undid my edit and apologized for undoing his edit...so...yeah. Cheers! {{User:Ka'lel/sig}} - 03:01, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | That's only the prop. Check [[Stargate Universe|SGU]] [[Air, Part 3]] at 02:38-02:40 for the whole gate spinning. It is also seen when the Destiny Gate dials, if I remember correctly. I'll look for a vid where the gate on Destiny spins. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 14:00, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Ok, only good clip there is that shows that the whole gate dials, is in [[Air, Part 3]] at 02:38-02:40 and then we have Josephs word. What else do you need? —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 14:28, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I don't need anything. I've seen Air several times and I always had suspected that the entire thing spun (I was a firm believer of that to start with). But, it seemed more plausible if only the front did (and the video confirmed that). But, as you see, these two sources contradicted each other so there was a reasonable amount of confusion present. Ok, we will go with the entire thing spinning. Wow, isn't that fun...—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] <sup>([[User talk:Anubis 10545|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Anubis 10545|Contribs]])</sup> 17:50, October 24, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Apologies, that "you" was meant as a general and wasn't directed specifically at anyone... —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 10:57, October 26, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :They show that the gate's alive? :I -[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 10:41, February 3, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I assume Supakillaii means "activated". They probably do something important... they just haven't really explained what.—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] <sup>([[User talk:Anubis 10545|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Anubis 10545|Contribs]])</sup> 03:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Just noticed that the Destiny's gate glyphs appear to be based on Morse Code...while there are differences I have found many Letters in Morse actually on the gate...if anyone wants t check this further then that would be of use in understanding the new gates—[[Special:Contributions/82.36.58.211|82.36.58.211]] 17:04, October 26, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Hi...me again....the Ancients must have used a code system to identify gate in other galaxys using a generic gate. The Milky and Pegasus gates are specific to their galaxies with all the different constellations while the Destiny's are a Alphanumerical code to identify address. An Ancient Morse code if you wish...this is further reinforced by how Eli Wallace solve the 9th Chevron issue. |
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| − | Up until now, we have seen Stargate personell to travel through time involuntarily for 3 times between 1997 and 2009(Episodes: [[1969 (episode)]], [[The Last Man]] and [[Time]]). It is also shown that all kinds of Stargate designs that we know of are suspectible to this problem, regardless of methods of dialling or power supply (Manual Dialling, SGC Dialling computer, Pegasus DHD, Stargate Remote, Atlantis DHD (not actually shown)). Now consider that there are other groups in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies that use the Gate system, i.e. the [[Wraith]], the [[Free Jaffa Nation]], the [[Lucian Alliance]] and many many more smaller factions like most peoples encountered in the Pegasus galaxy. Therefore, it is most likely that the SGC only accounts for a small percentage of overall gate travel. Lets just assume for now the average over the years has been 5% (IMHO still too much). |
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| − | :I think they probably did fix the problem, but on the DHDs not the gates. We've seen that it is far easier to alter a DHD's code than the code in the gate itself, but the SGC doesn't use a DHD so it is still susceptible to the problem. The gate on the destiny doesn't use a dedicated DHD either, it uses the ship's main computer, which presumably won't update itself with other DHDs due to the obvious security hole it would cause in the Destiny's systems, systems that as we have seen, the Ancients want to protect. As for The Last Man episode, I have no idea. Maybe they overrode a safety feature or maybe when dialing Atlantis, DHDs leave the decision up to the Atlantis personell (again for the security of the Ancients about to make travel, and the Tau'ri translator program did not recognize the information being displayed to it. [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 07:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Well, it ''is'' a problem in that sense, but it's not a problem that can be fixed. EX) Tornadoes are problems, but you can't fix them and nothing can be done about them, really. It's just a natural occurrence that's difficult to predict or influence... similar to solar flares interacting with stargates. Eh, I'm sure there's something else.. but its 4:00am and I haven't slept yet.. so—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] <sup>([[User talk:Anubis 10545|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Anubis 10545|Contribs]])</sup> 12:04, November 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Yeah, sorry about that. The DHD 'nor the gate don't have anything to prevent the accidental Time Travel. The safe-guards are in place for something like travelling through a sun, not for Time Travel. But the chance of Time Travel accident happening is very, very small. You're more likely getting hit by lightning 50 times in 1 minute in my opinion. I mean, it's only happened oh-so-many times, and no other SG-team has travelled through time. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 07:33, November 23, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | The dhd can detect suns on the way, why shouldn´t it detect solar-flares while they are active? They seem to last at least several minutes (in Time they tried it for sme hours times but got only bad conections which only happens on destiny style gates as they are not as advanced) In stargate coninuum baals time-travel machine seems to work like earhts dialing computer as it dials solar flares without the use of an dhd. As already mentioned there has to be more than just a few time travelers if the time travel cant be prevented. So Sheppards trip to the future was the one of a million chance that the flare happens en route, while the other incidents were caused by too low security standards. As McKay said in 28 hours the gate should never be used without a DHD. |
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| − | I remember from The Last Man that the reason that the time travel happened was because Rodney had been "improving the gate performance". Plz correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:Jauh0|Jauh0]] <sup>([[User talk:Jauh0|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jauh0|Contribs]])</sup> 23:53, October 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | It says on GateWorld in an interview with a producer that the Destiny's gate is a prototype and has limited range and can't go jumping to every planet in it's galaxy as the MW and PG ones can - and that makes sense for why they can't dial any planets they previously visited - but it also seems like the Ancients momentairly lost all common sense. Firstly - what possible use would there be in establishing a gate network in a galaxy if the gates can't actually reach each other. Secondly - how come Earth wanted the Destiny to power up it's gate and dial home if it couldn't reach that far. Thirdly - how did the Ancients hope to reach Destiny if the only gates they had were that crap - and if they were as short range as they seem, what's the point in using them at all! I'm very tired at the moment so I can't think of more reasons but I'm sure they exist. So go on, discuss :D [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 23:12, December 19, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | : I think that to establish galaxy-wide network you need to meke complex observations, calculations and other weir science stuff. If ancients deside to colonize galaxy, they would send observatory eqipments via Destiny as well as specialist and then they would be able to create DHD and finaly establish the network-as-we-see-in-civilized-galaxies --[[User:Глючарина|╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║⌠⅜⌡├┤∩]] <sup>([[User talk:Глючарина|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Глючарина|Contribs]])</sup> 00:16, December 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Firstly, they'd have to, you know, calculate some locations and stuff to make the system work. Secondly, I believe it has the capability to dial everywhere like the newer gates, but it requires more power due to the more primitive calculations. Thirdly, they had an Icarus type planet, which is a huge power source. Way more powerful than ZedPMs. At least, this is what I theorize and think. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 13:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::yeah, maybe they need to use an 8 symbol addresses to travel anywhere in the galaxy they are in, plus like a naquada generator or some equivalent--[[Special:Contributions/99.135.151.8|99.135.151.8]] 18:13, May 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Early generation has a bigger limit, a matter of programming and power, they launch the destiny, and the seed ships with first generation gates, which have limited range, they may not be able to use one to see the whole galaxy, but with a decent ship, with a gate, similar to the destiny, you can quickly go to and from all local gates nearly instantly, and then travel to another set of local gates later. They may very well have planned to update the gates accross the universe at some point in time, expanding the programming/power(deploying dialing devices), but first they just wanted to get som general gates out there, while doing some exploration. They later decided not to go to the destiny, perhaps because of local concerns, and maybe awareness that they could not return from the destiny in a short time frame.[[Special:Contributions/74.129.75.153|74.129.75.153]] 21:29, May 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I would say that Ancients build first gates and for some time used these old Destiny like models in Milky way... in time the updated the original design and that allowed them to build better network in Milky way. Then they left for Pegasus and Replaced the prototype network with new one. (They probably did not think it necessary or reasonably possible to update seeding ships with new schematics- given that Ancient´s numbers during Pegasus era were not large they probably did not plan to leave Pegasus any time soon... and then they learned to ascend.)--[[User:Paeris|Paeris]] <sup>([[User talk:Paeris|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Paeris|Contribs]])</sup> 14:54, May 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | the limited range is likely due to the fact, destiny gates lack DHDs so they cant account for the stellar drift. The milkyway gates also have this problem: Earth could not dial past abydos untill carter updated the dialing computer with informations from the cartouche. and carter tried to find the aschen-homeworld by searching in a 300 ly radius from the already conquered planet, because the aschen do not posess DHDs so they cant dial past that limit so their world has to be within this range. And how destiny should dial earth with that limit? all types of gates (even the super-advanced pegasus-gates) have a limit, which could be expanded by enough power and proper calculations. And dont say, the 7 chevron-limit in pegasus gates is a safety protocol to keep the wraith away from earth. all gates need a special control-crystal or a modification in the dialing computer to calculate 8 chevron adresses. --[[User:SG-27|SG-27]] <sup>([[User talk:SG-27|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/SG-27|Contribs]])</sup> 22:12, December 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | In 100 Days, Carter suggests that the stargate was still open when the meteor hit it, where molton naquadah hardened around it creating a sort of iris. It would have the same affect as our Iris. They use the to Particle accelerator to melt the naquadah to make a small pocket for the kawoosh to take its normal effect. |
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| − | —[[User:ElChristo|ElChristo]] ([[User talk:ElChristo|<sup>talk</sup>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/ElChristo|<sup>Contribs</sup>]]) 01:10, January 3, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | well since theres a finite number of stargates, isnt it a bad idea for everyone to destroy them...also when the [[Attero device]] was activated how come only some gates were destroyed...and how heavy are they to move, e.g could you take one from a planet and put it in a ship for easy travel...further more could terrestrial gates work in space as spacegates —{{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 22:59, March 22, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :1. When the Attero device was activated, only gates that were then activated would blow up. 2. The gates weigh around 60,000 pounds. 3. Yes you could take one on a ship, they strap one to a X-302 is Redemption, Part 2. 4. They stated in SG-1 that you can not dial to a ship unless it's in orbit around a planet, so that suggest that you can not dial terrestrial gates if they are in space. In Atlantis it's revealed that it is possible, but you have to reset the gates location otherwise it just thinks it's in the same place. You'd think the Ancients would build some kind of system that could scan stars or something. --[[User:Donovan-j-charlie|Donovan-j-charlie]] <sup>([[User talk:Donovan-j-charlie|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Donovan-j-charlie|Contribs]])</sup> 00:46, April 10, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::[[Correlative update system]]? —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 11:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Atlantis can update a location's address? does that mean that if they dont like a planet they can just move its address into some random point in space or to some other planet?--[[Special:Contributions/99.135.144.237|99.135.144.237]] 01:55, May 5, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :That depends... Vanir Asgard who were not using gates had no remorse with blasting them to oblivion- they were not using the gatesystem at all. As Todd pointed out: Even Lantheans considered their stargate precious- but not everyone does... |
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| − | Terrestrial gates could be used in spaces: Providing you calibrate their point of origin on the DHD or your dialing |
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| − | :computer. (but until you connect it to network at least onece other stargates DHDs will have hard time finding it)--[[User:Paeris|Paeris]] <sup>([[User talk:Paeris|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Paeris|Contribs]])</sup> 15:03, May 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Oh, Wow! Major "[[Epiphany]]"-like moment here... lol. How would a Destiny-style Stargate work floating in space like a space gate!!!!! I mean, it couldn't... right? I mean, it would probably be the same situation as if a Destiny-style Stargate was laying flat on the ground. And to think, the Ancients created this grand device that won't work without a cheap, $5 stand to put it on... —[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] <sup>([[User talk:Anubis 10545|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Anubis 10545|Contribs]])</sup> 04:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :If it had power, it would link up like every other gate, just in space. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 04:44, May 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::What Penga said. The Spacegates in Pegasus get power from the pod thingies, if the Seeder ships were programmed to make Spacegates and install same type pods, we might see them, except it'd take millions of years for Destiny to reach the said Spacegates. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 08:09, May 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I don't think it's actually a technical necessisity for it to spin around, I'm sure it would just connect normaly. [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 11:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::But the gate has to move to where the correct glyph can be activated/energized, i guess they could have a pod in space that works like destiny's gate bearing but it wouldn't by clear if the bearing or the gate was spinning -[[Special:Contributions/99.135.151.172|99.135.151.172]] 20:37, May 10, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::I'm sure if the Ancients wanted to make a ship to go through spacegates it would be fairly easy. And the gates don't actually need to spin to lock the cheverons, they just do it for asthetics. I really doubt that the spinning is a neccessity. [[Special:Contributions/94.72.231.228|94.72.231.228]] 22:02, May 10, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::Whatever mechanism rotates the gate is inside the gate, so in space on on the ground it would rotate. Lying flat it would probably just start spinning in a circle or something. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 22:26, May 10, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | They don't even have means to go through the spacegates. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 20:38, May 10, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | you know i just thought why didn't the lucians throw a stun bomb through the gate before boarding like the wraith did in midway. surely they have a wide area of effect stun device like that. {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 04:21, May 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :Given the speed at which they were ejected, it'd probably fly right back into the gate and be worthless. Not that they'd know that. They probably figured they were getting the drop on the crew already. Tossing a flash-bang in to subdue unarmed people is just advanced warning when you can't really know who's on the other side. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 04:35, May 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Why are objects launched through the gate though when it's dialed from the Milky Way? When Atlantis is dialed in Pegasus, travelling objects aren't tossed through. So why the Destiny Gate? Also, why can't radio signals be sent back through the Destiny Gate to the Milky Way? It first happened with Lt. Scott when he first arrived on the ship then it happened again later with the Lucian Alliance when they boarded the ship. I thought that energy can be sent both ways through a wormhole and that an object entering a wormhole at a certain speed will come out the other end at that same speed. [[User:General Heed|General Heed]] <sup>([[User talk:General Heed|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/General Heed|Contribs]])</sup> 01:54, May 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Probably just has to do with the massive distance they traveled and/or the power requirements... it somehow caused everyone to stumble out of the gate. And maybe there was too much interference for the radio to work... the planet was minutes away from exploding... may have disrupted the radio...—[[User:Anubis 10545|Anubis 10545]] <sup>([[User talk:Anubis 10545|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Anubis 10545|Contribs]])</sup> 02:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | radio signals are probably just to weak to leap that distance( signals are not transferred by the gate itself like matter is. the signals have to travell by themselve) and the wormhole was also instable. And the people are tossed trough simply due to the wormhole instability: in the first movie they were also tossed because of the primitive computer. When oneill and carter were sendt to the antarctic all members of the team flew through the gate. With enough wormhole-stability it would be possible to make stable connection to destiny without send people flying, but this would take a better software for the dialing computers and a stronger radio.--[[User:SG-27|SG-27]] <sup>([[User talk:SG-27|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/SG-27|Contribs]])</sup> 22:30, December 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | if the activated stargate was in a brightly lit room and the wormhole led to a dark room, would said dark room get lit up? would the same thing happen for other types of radiation and sound? also, if you fell into a stargate that was oriented upwards and dialed to another gate oriented sideways would you fly out horizontally at the other end at high speeds? what if it were the other way around? if you only stuck your head in the gate would you still be able to control your body? {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 06:01, May 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :#It doesn't transmit light, but does create light by virtue of its activation. The gate has been known to pump out radiation, but not sound. |
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| − | :#You exit a gate at the same speed as you enter, hence jumping into a flat one would throw you out at the same speed at the same orientation relative to the gate. The other way around would kill you when gravity took over and dragged you back in (happened to a MALP). |
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| − | :#Objects aren't taken apart until they enter completely, so yes, a "headless" guy would still be in control till he walked in completely or backed out. |
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| − | ''Stargate Universe introduces the concept of a nine-symbol address, the purpose of the ninth chevron never having been explored in the previous series. The ninth symbol is suggested to be meant to lock on to moving Stargates, being a distance calculation along the "straight line" from the point of origin to destination (but more of a divide than the eighth chevron multiplier). Like eight-symbol addresses, the dialing of this address requires a significant amount of power, such that the SGC had to tap into a planet's unstable radioactive core to meet the energy demand. The nine-symbol address is a specific combination used to dial the Destiny, a massive Ancient vessel that was part of a project to explore the universe, before the Ancients ascended.'' |
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| − | :I...just...wha-... Do the people who make this watch the show? —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 14:01, August 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | I noticed an exception to the "stargate doesn't send ambient material" rule: when a gate was thrown into a star to make it nova, it's said that the gate siphoned enough stellar material to significantly decrease it's mass, therefore internal density-generated-outward-pressure and cause a gravitational collapse. However, plasma was an ambient material in this case which means it shouldn't pass through the gate on it's own. I think that the mechanism only works below a certain ambient pressure, above which the gate starts to went matter through to avoid being destroyed by ambient pressure. Added this to the article, everyone is free to debate this.[[User:Amitakartok|Amitakartok]] <sup>([[User talk:Amitakartok|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Amitakartok|Contribs]])</sup> 00:15, August 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :That gate was connected to a black hole, and the gravity sucked it in. The rule doesn't apply. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 00:39, August 17, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | We all know that all this Eight-Chevron-Pegasus-Gate idea was a great goof, but let's try to find a logical explanation to it. |
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| − | It's a long shot, but I think it's a good theory. [[Special:Contributions/189.106.71.63|189.106.71.63]] 17:50, August 23, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo |
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| − | :The Lanteans wouldn't've had the time or resources to replace those due to the war with the Wraith. Only canon 8C Gate is the one on the Asuran Satellite. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 19:07, August 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :How about keeping it simple. It was during the Pegasus Era that the Ancientes decided to abandon the Destiny Project, so they stoped producing 9 Chevron Gates, because the 9th Chevron has no other use. Therefore any Stargates produced after this decision had 8 Chevrons. [[User:Looq|Looq]] <sup>([[User talk:Looq|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Looq|Contribs]])</sup> 15:08, September 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Only known gate with 8 chevrns is the Asuran one.—[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 19:36, September 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::We dont actually know when they abandoned the destiny project, it was likely before the plague, ergo, prior to the pegasus[[Special:Contributions/74.129.66.59|74.129.66.59]] 08:37, September 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::They abandoned it to research into Ascension, which was before they departed to Pegasus. —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 13:21, December 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::The "Abandoned it to research ascension" argument is just stupid. You don't have a whole civilization researching just one thing :D [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 17:12, December 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Yes, it's not Sid Meyer's Civilization. [[User:Jauh0|Jauh0]] <sup>([[User talk:Jauh0|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jauh0|Contribs]])</sup> 20:26, December 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Okay, quite clery the Stargates weren't meant to be an "Ancients only thing" as they placed them all over the galaxy and didn't limit their use (i.e. a password) just leaving DHDs next to the gate for anyone to use. So what happens when a non-advanced race conntect to a space gate and walks through (not everyone has a MALP to check out the otherside first). Is there a safty feature in place, or is there hundreds/thousands of primatve expolores and traders floating around dead in space. [[User:Looq|Looq]] <sup>([[User talk:Looq|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Looq|Contribs]])</sup> 11:19, September 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :Have we seen a DHD gate link to a spacegate? [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 12:12, September 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Happens in the first episode. The DHD dials in tandem with the Darts dialing the gate. Other episodes show that the gate doesn't have any safety features to prevent death by exposure on the other side. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 15:37, September 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Did the ancients put them into orbit around the planets, or did the wraith relocate them to orbit to keep primatives from having access to them?[[Special:Contributions/74.129.66.59|74.129.66.59]] |
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| − | :::Lanteans put them, and I highly doubt there's a security program to prevent dialling into spacegates, as Lanteans meant them for their private use and most likely didn't spread, or at least didn't intend to give out the addresses to civilizations that didn't have the technology to survive —[[User:Supakillaii|Supakillaii]] <sup>([[User talk:Supakillaii|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Supakillaii|Contribs]])</sup> 13:57, September 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :why doesn't dialling into a spacegate from a terrestrial gate cause all the planet's air to be sucked out the other end into space? {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 10:48, December 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :The gate can tell the difference between passive matter like air, and matter actively trying to through the event horizon. [[User:Jauh0|Jauh0]] <sup>([[User talk:Jauh0|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jauh0|Contribs]])</sup> 14:53, December 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Not to mention the fact that the gate isn't a direct and two-way portal - so a lack of air pressure on one end would not effect the other anyway :) [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 15:24, December 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | when a person is dialing a stargate to go somewhere they are required to dial in 7 symbols. The final destination isn't known until they press in the 7th or at the very least 6th chevron. How is it that at the destination, they are able to see the gate being dialed. A resulting conflict is that [[Amarna]], [[Abydos]], [[Heliopolis]] all have the same first symbol, however all these gates wouldn't start dialing at the first symbol. Just like my phone doesn't start ringing when anyone in the US dials a phone number that starts with an 8, it doesn't make sense that the receiving gate would register as being dialed until the last symbol was put in. is there ever an explanation for this in the series or other information?[[User:Mattmorrison2024|Mattmorrison2024]] <sup>([[User talk:Mattmorrison2024|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Mattmorrison2024|Contribs]])</sup> 19:30, January 7, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :I always wondered that... my only explanation has been that, as travel time in a wormhole is like three seconds or something, which added to the time taken for the wormhole to form and the kawoosh thing to subside which is like another four or five seconds, you get about eight or nine seconds for the wormhole to fly over to the receiving gate and form there before anything could actually come out of it. I guess that the incoming wormhole lights and spinning and stuff go on during that nine or so seconds and that the wormhole is flying from one gate to the other during that time. I know that makes no sense scientifically but it's my only explanation. The only problem is that lots of gates have been shown to have totally different incoming wormhole times, like the one on that planet where the villagers used to run away when the gate started to activate, that took like twenty seconds or something to dial into. If we take some of the Atlantis dial-in sequences though where the lights just spin around and the whole thing takes like nine seconds, well, that would be perfect :) [[User:Sman789|Sman789]] <sup>([[User talk:Sman789|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sman789|Contribs]])</sup> 22:12, January 7, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I guess that the most logical explanation is that when gate traveling, you would first dial the gate that you are leaving from, once the wormhole is established on the sending side, the receiving gate begins to dial. Once both sides are established gate travel can commence. Anyone have any specific examples that would back up or disprove this theory?[[User:Mattmorrison2024|Mattmorrison2024]] <sup>([[User talk:Mattmorrison2024|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Mattmorrison2024|Contribs]])</sup> 19:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Because the wormhole is a instant connection, comms get through immedietly and I'm quite certain that in some episodes they cross the event horizon before any receiving gate has had the necessary seconds to dial. In the case of 8 chevron adresses it seems to be different though: In The Siege part 2 the Atlantis gate is dialed and a connection is made almost instantly from Earth. Earth is the slowest dialer in the two galaxies, so I guess the system chose the Atl gate only after the necessary 7th chevron pushing the PoO to the 8th place. [[User:Jauh0|Jauh0]] <sup>([[User talk:Jauh0|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Jauh0|Contribs]])</sup> 13:50, January 10, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | It would seem as if the Destiny-style Stargates are not as durable as their modern conterparts. Either that or the weapons on the Drones are ridiculously powerful. I just watched the episode Common Descent and a single shot from a drone took out a huge chunk of a Stargate even while it was active. With the milky way and pegasus stargates, not even two nukes can destroy the gates. So I think it's most likely that the Destiny style stargates are of a weaker design or use a weaker material that's not naquadah. But, if the Destiny style gates are just as durable, then that would put the Drone's weapons power on par with Asgard or Ancient weapons which would explain why a few shots from the Drones can cause significant damage to Destiny's shields. [[User:General Heed|General Heed]] <sup>([[User talk:General Heed|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/General Heed|Contribs]])</sup> 02:30, April 19, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :Yeah that's true. At the very least, that places the Drone weapons above Gould Staff Cannons. Possibly even more powerful than the Staff Cannons on Gould Motherships and Wraith Darts assuming the Destiny style gates are just as durable as their modern counterparts. So if that's the case, then we can kind guess that in a one on one battle between Destiny and a Gould Mothership, the gould mothership would probably win. But even, the Stargates are supposed to be able to absorb a huge amount of energy. When the Asurans fired that beam weapon through the gate to attack Atlantis, the Stargate was able to absorb the energy from that beam weapon and use it to power the wormhole indefinitely. But personally, I still think Destiny stargate are made of weaker materials. We know that a Mark 9 Gatebuster bomb is capable of destroying a stargate. And Colonel Carter seemed to believe that they could also destroy a Supergate with the Mark 9's. However, it was mentioned that after the discovery of the 2nd supergate, the Jaffa and the Asgard tried to destroy the gate simply by shooting it with their weaons. If the Asgard and Jaffa couldn't destroy the Supergate, but a Mark 9 can, then that places the durability of the Supergate on par with a regular Stargate. Therefore, if the Destiny style stargates are just as durable as modern ones, then that means the Drones have weapons on par with Ori technology. [[User:General Heed|General Heed]] <sup>([[User talk:General Heed|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/General Heed|Contribs]])</sup> 02:44, April 19, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :Condensed energy or not, I find it hard to believe that one of those drones could possibly pack more power in a single blast than an entire Mark IX explosion. So I'm inclined to feel that the Destiny style gates are weaker. Because we have never even seen a stargate damaged in the past. The only ones we've seen destroyed were the destroyed due to a star, the destruction of the entire planet, a supervolcano, a Mark IX detonation, or their own explosion. The Tollan gate was ancient built so it doesn't count. Naquadah is a superconductor so any blast that would destroy a gate would have to be able to carry that energy over the entire device. Hell, even Thor's ship exploding and burning up in the atmosphere didn't destroy the Alpha Gate, because it survived, fell into the ocean, and was later recovered by the Russians. So gates are pretty damn hearty. The one was still entact inside the black hole. -[[User:Phoenix304|Phoenix304]] <sup>([[User talk:Phoenix304|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Phoenix304|Contribs]])</sup> 19:21, April 20, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Alright I have upload a new picture to [[Berzerker drone]], and in this picture you can see that the damage from the drone is about as much as damage from a [[death glider]]. As always special effects are not always accurate, but I think it is safe to say that the drones are far from Asgard or Ori weapons. If anyone needs another reason, I wrote the part about the destiny gates being weaker than Milky or Pegasus gates, yesterday. And neither Jaymach nor any other major power of this Wiki has edited that part in anyway. I think we can safely call the matter closed. —[[User:Uriel718|Uriel718]] <sup>([[User talk:Uriel718|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Uriel718|Contribs]])</sup> 19:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *I agree. lol the Powers That Be of the Wiki have spoken. [[User:Phoenix304|Phoenix304]] <sup>([[User talk:Phoenix304|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Phoenix304|Contribs]])</sup> 23:07, April 20, 2011 (UTC) |
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Travel direction
The article says that the one-way travel of matter is a technological limitation, not a property of the wormhole. The show seems to indicate otherwise. Carter even comments on wormhole directionality in an academic setting in “Prodigy”. A fundamental property of wormholes makes more sense than gates only being able to deconstruct or reconstruct, especially since that’s contradicted by the shows several times. — Alecperkins(talk) (Contribs) 17:35, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Recieving gate showing adress
Alright strange question that came to mind while writing some FF.
What happens when a gate is dialled and it spinns:
- It spins to lock onto its own adress to show that it is the gate being dialled from somewhere else.
- It spins to lock onto the dialing gate's address to show what address it is being dialled from.
As I see it there is information to show for both cases. SGC personnel seem to be able to identify who's coming in before the wormhole has been established which could be due to them knowing what teams are off world and when they're due back. At other times they seem oblivios until they get radio conntact, a GDO code or another transmission.
Now according to the physics I was thought in school two or three years ago all energy is and can be threated as vibrations of some sort so here's a very simple way of seeing things. Matter is only allowed through from the dialing gate while energy(vibrations) are allowed in both directions.
If you have two aluminium cans (representing the two event horizons) and a rubber tubing between them (the wormhole) and you (dialing gate) are asked by someone (the DHD) to send a liquid (the transfered matter) to someone else (recieving gate) through the tubing. Then you could basically throw the other end to the reciever and start pumping the liquid, they would not need to know who was sending the liquid, because it is the reciever's jobb to take the liquid it would be satisfied that it has recieved it and it would not have to ask who sent it to do its job. If we stretch the tubing we will now have a medium through which we can send vibrations back and forth, but the reciever will still not know who is causing the vibartions unless the sender choses to identify him.
Of course this is extremely different from actuall wormhole physics, yet I believe it to be an addequate comparisson for this question and if it is then there is nothing that would require the sending gate to tell the recieving gate to tell its address, meaning that the recieving gate can not spin/dial to show the address of the calling gate.
Any thoughts and/or ideas about the subject?
W1553 (talk) (Contribs) 23:35, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
Amelius didn't invent Stargates ?
What you think ?
I think that Amelius didn't design first stargate. At least he didn't formulate it the night before the Alterans left their home galaxy, because how else Ori could had stargates unless they shared that technology before Alterans split to two faction ?
It could been that he had invented something related to stargates, but not stargates themselves.
Blomstar (talk) (Contribs) 18:25, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
- It is possible, like many new technologies in real life, that the stargate is one of many creations resulting from the cumulative increase in technological advancements made by prior scientists over time, each contribution eventually leading up to the creation of the stargate devices. If this is the case with the stargates then the ancestors of the Ori and Ancients would have shared the same technologies and eventually made their own. As shown when they compared Ancient and Ori energy crystals that were comparable in power and shape but ultimately different from being separated for so long. The fact the Ori also have transporter rings, one of the precursor technologies to stargates, is another factor to take into account.
- In this case, Amelius would have simply been an important figure and creator responsible for creating stargates on our side of things, taking the "fame" with him as well.
- It may explain why the Ori created the supergates (a variant of their own version of a stargate) while the Ancients never did (which would have proven ridiculously useful for fast travel between galaxies) or at least it was never mentioned or theirs were destroyed by blackholes a long time ago. It is also possible that the Ori simply reverse engineered Ancient stargates rather quickly.
- Anyways, these are just my thoughts on the matter, thinking out loud.
- Ad infinitum et ultra! (talk) (Contribs) 20:35, June 25, 2016 (UTC)