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Should this page be at Puddle jumper (the Tau'ri name for the ship), or Gateship (the Lantean name for the ship, first mentioned in the novel Reliquary, then later confirmed in the episode, The Return)? —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I think that we should keep it at Puddle Jumper for now. -- SFH 02:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
  • It's mainly known for it's name 'Puddle jumper'. Although it's technical name is gateship, I think it's best to keep this page at Puddle jumper. - Enzo Aquarius 18:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

isnt there just ONE timeship cos the original one IS the one found in giza that was used by the other team or am i just getting confused again!!!!

Prefer Gateship Edit

  • Why did Major Sheppard decide to call them puddlejumpers. That name is really lame, Gateship which was the original suggestion and what the Asurans called it sounds much cooler. Furthermore, how come the lame name ended up winning among the Tau'ri. Chevron 7 07:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Personally, I prefer the name Puddle Jumper. Its feels more Tau'ri. The name gateship sounds very general. Wraith Darts and Goa'uld Needle Threaders could go through the gate too. So Gateship sounds more like a category if anything. Actually, based on the fact that throughout the entire series they were called Jumpers, I think the article name is wrong. Just as I feel with Todd's name. Anyone who actually uses this wiki for information isn't going to go looking for "gateship" or whatever Todd's name is now. I think that while accuraccy is important, this is a wiki based of a TV franchise and it needs to be relevant to that end. People who watch the show will go looking for what its called on the show. Phoenix304 (talk) (Contribs) 17:59, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Individual Jumper articles Edit

I've seen some red links to Jumper 3, Jumper 6 and Jumper 8, I believe, and seeing how one particular Jumper that Sheppard's team left on Michael's cruiser recently reappeared I'm wondering whether it would be useful to have separate articles for the individual Jumpers where they were named or could easily be named (such as Michael's Jumper to go along with Michael's cruiser). - Bell'Orso 13:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd be fine with having pages for individual Jumpers so long as people didn't assume that a Jumper we see is any specific one unless it's named in the episode. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 13:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'd assume it'd always be Jumper 1 unless otherwise stated. Other than that we already have the one (or two) very distinctive Time Jumper(s) as separate article(s) anyway. - Bell'Orso 17:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Been a while, hasn't it? Anyway, I recently regained interest in this and am sifting through ATL episodes to see when they actually refer to individual Jumpers in dialogue. So far I'm halfway through season 1 and Jumpers 2 and three have been mentioned or even appeared multiple times, as in both were seen during the events of Underground and 2 was seen and 3 mentioned in both The Storm and The Eye. Gonna continue with this project before I make any edits to existing articles on that topic, let alone create new ones. - Bell'Orso (talk) (Contribs) 22:11, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

ShieldsEdit

In one episode a Wraith hijacks a puddle jumper from McKay and Sheppard, This was in either season 1 or 2 and he (the Wraith) activated sheilds, or a force field which prevented Sheppard from getting into the ship when the Wraith went to investigate the smoke grenade.

DronesEdit

Apparetly the magazine thing says jumpers have 6 drones but on the episode Adrift there are more than 6 fired and they still return with full drone ports suggesting a reload system. I think even on Rising P2 they fire about 6 and still have full ports when they go through the gate. Also those magazines are often wrong the pic at the bottom of the page from the magazine says drones are in the same wings as the engines but look at the screencaps they are clearly on seperate wings. Unsigned comment by Sman789 (talk • contribs).

Last time I checked, guns seemed to have dozens more bullets in the movies than in real life before requiring a reload, so this must be like that kind of thing. If you continue to remove sourced info, it will be reverted over and over again, no matter how faulty the info sounds. -- Matthew R Dunn 19:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Well thats the thing, it needs to reload but they must be stored somewhere and it definitely has more than 6 even if it can only fire 6 at a time. Besides, what you see on the screen is closer to cannon and more important than what a magazine says. Unsigned comment by Sman789 (talk • contribs).
I kinda agree with Sman here, on-screen (visual or dialogue) evidence should overrule all other sources. - Bell'Orso 22:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Just watched Rising again, the jumper fires 8 during the entire. It fires one at the first dart, 3 at the second, 3 at the third, and another 1 at the last dart just before flying through the gate. Is that not reason enough to change it to "8+ Drone weapons"? Sman789 21:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Mckays jumper also fires at least 7 on Adrift, I'm going to change the article Sman789 00:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe they have a dual drone storage? 6 drones for each of the launchers in the extendible wings? —DeadReanimation 21:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Airtight/water tight Edit

they are two different things. Something can be water tight but not air tight.

Water trying to get in would being forced against the air inside and this would slow the flow of water in, as shown when he increases the air pressure at the end of the ep.

in space on the other hand the pressure outside is zero and the air inside will attempt to escape to equalize the pressure.

For example a submarine would not work in space.

overall it was probably just artistic license to make the ep work.

I dont see your point here. The science is right, but wheres the problem in the episode? I assume you mean the "grace under pressure" episode? Sman789 21:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The bigger problem with that episode is that the airtight ship wouldn't even sink in the first place, unless the puddle jumper has a mass of 140,000kg, which is absurd for something that small. 68.41.82.117 04:53, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Pretty sure episode in question is Thirty-Eight Minutes. The Gateship article used to say the bulkhead door inside the gateship is capable of retaining atmosphere against the vacuum of space, which it is not. —Ka'lel 21:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Um, what about in The Siege, Part 1? When McKay did that EVA outside of the Ancient Weapons Satellite? I remember seeing the pilot dude Not wearing a Spacesuit, and had no trouble briefing. Um, okay I know it's late saying this (by over a year) but I guess I just want this particular section of the talk complete and over with. -- This one was me, wasnt signed in when i posted. AlexMcpherson (talk) (Contribs) 01:33, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Inertial DampersEdit

I'm sure I remember inertial dampers being mentioned in relation to Gateships (being the reason that the occupants don't suffer acceleration/deceleration forces, but this isn't mentioned in the article. Am I mis-remembering this? 86.7.21.237 23:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they have Inertial dampeners, it is absolutely fine for you to add the info down. -- Matthew R Dunn 23:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Roles of the GateshipEdit

would you consider one of the roles of a gate ship a fighter? because they are used in the episode when Atlantis is on the run from Lantea in the episode Adrift they send multiple gate ships to tackle the asteroid belt with their drone weapons. This obviously means that good pilots + the fact that drones lock on to targets non-friendly to the computer would be effective in combat.
also what does it mean that they are used as a shuttle.
DeadReanimation 21:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Gateships function as "shuttles" because they ferry people around, explore, and carry goods through the stargate. I wouldn't actually consider one of their roles as a fighter, because it seems to me that the drones were just added for self defense, and in all likelyhood they weren't added to the design until they began fighting the Wraith. —AscendedAlteran 02:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Auto pilot Edit

I recently added that Puddle Jumpers 'gating' to Atlantis go into autopilot, it has since been removed (I had cited the wrong part of a two-parter). I was wondering what section of the article that it should be mentioned in. —Maybourne 21:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

It's still in there, only in a different spot and incorporated into the "Design" paragraph.—Anubis 10545 21:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh right sorry I didn't notice it there. Thanks —Maybourne 21:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Gate Ship Naming... Edit

The Gate Ship, i.e. Puddle Jumper, was named such because like Earths Helicopters, which Shepphard is a pilot of, Helicopters are refered to as Puddle Jumpers. This is due to size, manuverability, range and crew support. At no point was the reference that it trverses the Puddle in the Event Horizon ever addressed.

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As there have been numerous references in the show to the part where the event horizon does look like a wall of water, but no mention of what the military call helicopters, it is pretty clear in my opinion that it was the 'stargate's wormhole event horizon looks like a wall of water' that served as the inspiration for Sheppard to call it a Puddle Jumper, in reference to that. He may have also called it that from that point, but the stargate part was most prominent, especially as at no point was the reference that helicopters are referred to Puddle Jumpers by the Navy and/or other Military services ever mentioned on the show. If that had been the reason, I'm sure there wouldn't have been such a fuss from McKay about it.
He (Sheppard) could have said, "It's what we call helicopters, and I am a helicopter pilot."
Then again, I have never heard of any helicopter being called a Puddle Jumper, and considering that it would only be in reference to helicopters travelling between ocean-based ships/platforms and other ocean or land-based locations... A helicopter travelling from Colorado Springs to Denver would therefore not engender the colloquial name. Of course, any travelling between locations seperated by water with no ground transportation infrastructure in place would actually count towards giving a helicopter the nickname, I think.
Therefore the main obvious reference that the name is making is travelling through the puddle of the stargate. --Edit, wasn't signed in when I made and signed this post. -- AlexMcpherson (talk) (Contribs) 01:32, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Puddle Jumper is slang term for small aircraft. example: sesna. Puddle Jumper's are used for short trips that it would not make sense to use a bigger aircraft like a 474. This is the though in Sheppard's mind. It was a short trip from orbit down to the surface of the planet the gate was orbiting. Like skipping from one rain puddle to the next as a child. -- James N. 3/23/10

michaelEdit

i probably missed something, but how exactly did michael fly a gateship? i thought the ata gene was needed? ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 00:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

He maybe was able to get a gene therapy as he had a clone of Carson Becket for over two years in his lab or he could have figured out a way to bypass the ATA gene security 92Rocky (talk) (Contribs) 21:57, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Name issue Edit

If we're gonna call the Time Jumper "Time Jumper", then I think this article should maintain its Tau'ri name. Otherwise, your going to have to come up with another name for it. This is what I mean by this "sloppy renaming". I think we should stick to the names used in the show. Otherwise, we should go rename the Orion, because we know that ones Ancient name too. Phoenix304 (talk) (Contribs) 18:25, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

HyperdriveEdit

I wonder; would it have been possible to retrofit the F-302's naquadria-powered hyperdrive to Atlantis' Gateships? I mean, they wouldn't have been able to use it any longer than the 302s, but it'd give them at least some faster-than-light capability... at least, it wouldn't drain their batteries every time they used it, since it's got its own power supply, however unstable... Magus121 (talk) (Contribs) 20:00, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Name again Edit

The issue of how in the real world, no one other then this wiki uses the term "Gateship" aside, how do we know the word "Gateship" refers to Puddle Jumpers specifically? For all we know, couldn't "Gateship" be just the Ancient's/Asuran's generic term for any ship that fits through a stargate (e.g. Needle Threader).

I posted this in January, and sense there's been no response, I'm moving this. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) (Contribs) 05:11, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

User:Jaymach renamed this article "gateship" in march 2008, claiming that it is the proper name and that "Puddle jumper" is merely a nick name. However, In October 2008, this image was uploaded. The MGM tech journals are considered cannon. Also, the term gateship was only used in Rising and Before I Sleep. Even if gateship is the original name, the Atlantis expedition renamed it. Even if the Asurans called it a gateship, maybe that's their own name for it and what the Ancients originally called it was something different. Plus, they're all dead now, so what the Atlantis expedition says goes. I mean, we don't call a Stargate an Astria Porta. And generally, we go with newer information over older information (names in this case) on this site. Thus, I will move this page to "Puddle Jumper" pending the arrival of any information that would contradict this. Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 06:07, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

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