Talk:Nakai mothership

Did anyone notice that the bubble water tanks in the hallways look similar to the ones in Atlantis? and so do the crystal consoles?

Reusing props is cheap. No reason to make a whole new set when they can make decent use of the old stuff. 76.246.19.248 20:59, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

In My Mind

You know, in my mind, the ship seems like it could be more of a large cargo ship. I mean, it's really bulky and boxy, and, warships (even one in space) should have sort of a sleek look to them. Maybe the fact that it could be a cargo ship is why the weapons are so inefective. Oh, and if you're say, "A cargo ship wouldn't have fighters." Any ship, even a cargo ship would need protection, and the fighters would be a more effective way of handling smaller vessels than the main energy cannon. Mr White ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 01:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

The weapons are so inefective because the ship has taken so much damage. Space is not empty, The infinate number of dust in space has worn the ship down. Which is why most of the ship is Inaccessible due to decompression. This would also effect the power grid. The weapon and shield's energy problem is most likely a power transfer problem not a power problem. Also the ship was designed for exploration. The crates are just supplys. Syfylover ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 02:57, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in space the resistance from particles is negligable, and shields protect against the potential damage, which may be why the ships shields have to be active on the Destiny in FTL. The weapons on the "mothership" are ineffective because the Blue aliens are attacking Destiny, a very large ancient ship, the most advanced race known, it may be very old, but it is after the Ancients resetled in their second galaxy(milky way), and dreamed up seeding ships, and thought to explre the universe at large, so the had been estableshed in the milky way. I imagine the only reason Destiny has taken so much damage from weaponsfire is that the Blue aliens had been preparing for the Destiny since the seeding ships had flown through. Study of the seeding ships led to their development of a very similar ftl system, and perhaps how to track it. The Destiny was expecting a freindly race, and may not have had shields and everything ready for the blue aliens, as well as allowing the blue aliens to get far closer, and likely have more ships around then just 2 motherships. Because after all the damage destiny has taken, 2 of their motherships hardly manage to get through the shields.74.129.66.59 08:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, back on point. ships in space can afford to be bulky, they dont need to be sleek, the sleek thing is merely an asthetic thing for spaceships. They want something massive so they can support themselves on really long distance trips, they could now be chasing the destiny through many galaxies, we cant tell how many, they need huge ships with massive supplies, and likely food production facilities, where it is grown/recycled, and everything else you need to keep a large crew going while travelling from galaxy to galaxy.74.129.66.59 08:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of this massive and dramatic chase that the Blues have embarked on, what exactly do they plan to do with destiny when they get it? sure the ship has information on dozens of galaxies but most of those are probably far to out of reach for the blue aliens, do they need the technology for anything else, or do they all live on their ships?

If the Blue Aliens are so advanced why didn't they scan for life signs? There was no life aboard until the expedition arrived. Also the ship should be sleek who does not want to pull off the Adama Maneuver.Syfylover ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 14:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

There are a few huge things of interest to them.... the biggest, probobly technology. Technology that came from not only a very avanced civilization, but also from a civilation that developed completely seperatly, so every device will probobly work differently, so even if its not 10 times more advanced then them, it has been developed in different ways, each civilation developes in its own ways, taking different paths to technologies, where seperate things get developed, so having access to everything of a different one... helps a lot. Its also just superior to their own ships, so superior things are better, and nice to get. Also, now it has potentially another group who has some worthwhile technology, and updated information on ancient technology. And also, its collected vast amounts of pure scientific data, observations on a great many interstellar phenomenon, scans from many galaxies in the universe, which I can tell you, would be exceptionally useful to a society, modern physcicists would love that collection of data. Observations of the universe, lead to scientific developments, for all we know destiny sensors may be far more sensitive then anything the blue aliens have, so they may not even be able to collect equivalent reading in their own star system. Pure data on stellar phenomenon would be very valuable, and this has tens of millions of years of advanced sensor readings. This is more super long term scientific development, it leads to higher scientific understanding, and better tech, but hasnt been developed on yet, while the tech inside the ship just needs to be reverse engineered.74.129.66.59 19:30, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Guys have fighters capable of hijack spacehips. Prison cells, mind probe which, I think used for interrogation. And don't forget battleships with shields and big guns. They must be at war with someone, I hope we will find out --Глючарина ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:39, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

these ships could have been designed with the precise mission of chasing destiny through a few galaxies, perhaps a great many, and destiny may be dozens of galaxies away from the blue alien one by now, they could be obsessed with chasing it however long it takes.74.129.66.59 01:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hyperdrive?

I don't think these motherships use FTL Drives. In the simulation on Destiny, Brody said the motherships "dropped out of hyperspace". If he said hyperspace, then those ships must use hyperdrives. What do you guys think about this? Should we change it in the article? General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 02:44, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that the ships method of travel does not appear to be the same type of FTL as Destiny. As far as we know, all Hyperdrives work the same way and have the same effect entering and exiting hyperspace. Therefore, FTL Drives should also work in similar manners to each other. Now Destiny's AI appears to know some details of those ships which is why in the simulation, the ship referred to those mothership's method of travel as hyperspace. I think we should update the article to reflect this information. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:26, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

After watching the recent episode, Deliverance, I think it's pretty clear that these motherships use hyperdrives of some sort. Dr. Volker clearly said that three hyperspace windows were opening. However, when the Seed Ship arrived in the previous episode, he said a ship dropped out of FTL. That means there's a clear distinction between FTL and Hyperspace. Also, the drone command ship, the seed ship, and Destiny all use similar FTL propulsion. They all have similar sound and visual effects when exiting FTL. Only the Blue Berry Alien mothership has a different visual and sound effect. Of course, the kind of hyperdrive they use is beyond me. It's unlike any hyperdrive we've seen in the Milky Way or any other galaxy for that matter. However, that may be because the Ancients were the first to develop hyperdrives and thus shared that technology with other races like the Asgard. Subsequently, the Gould based their hyperdrives off ancient hyperdrives. The Ori obviously used ascended knowledge which is basically ancient knowledge. So really, we haven't seen a non-ancient hyperdrive yet. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 04:39, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

It was stated in Deliverance that this ships use Hyperdrive to travelle, nothing else. So I ask permission to edit this article as well as all relevant articles according to Canonical information.KSST ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:37, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

They also said that of the drone control ship, and that thing does not use hyperdrive. The effect isn't consistent with hyperdrive, and since we know they can reproduce the effect if they wanted, it can't be considered the same type of drive. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:38, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

The drone command ship seemed to have a combination of an FTL drive and Blue Berry Alien drive effect. Like I said, most hyperdrives in the milky way and pegasus are based on Ancient design. Even Asgard hyperdrives originated from Ancient design since it was the Ancients that gave the Asgard hyperdrive technology. That would explain the consistent effects in the milky way and pegasus. But billions of light years from Ancient influence, the aliens there would've had to invent their own means of FTL travel. So if it is hyperspace, then it's a new type of hyperdrive. Also, Dr. Volker made clear distinctions between the Seed Ship dropping out of FTL and other ships dropping out of hyperspace. He also clearly said that hyperspace windows were opening. Why would he make such clear distinctions if he wasn't sure? Oh and just a quick thing I want to point out. I just watched the movie Battle: LA and some parts of the movie are strikingly similar to SGU. Specifically the drone attack on Destiny. Spoiler warning: Earth got attacked by aliens and they launched unmanned attack drones. All the drones are controlled by a command ship. Once the command ship was destroyed, all the drones became inactive. Sounds just like SGU. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 03:01, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

In this case the APPEARANCE of the effect does not matter the dialog DOES. And it clearly states that both the drones and the Blueberry alien motherships use hyperdrive as means of propulsion. Because dialog IS cannon we MUST edit the article to reflect it. What I suggest is to edit this article and all related articles, to illustrated that Blueberry alien and the drones use hyperdrive as means of propulsion, while still leaving reference to inconsistencies in hyperspace window effect in the trivia section.KSST ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 03:28, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you. However, I still have to point out that the appearance of the Command Ship droppping out of hyperspace is very similar to Destiny and the Seed Ship dropping out of FTL. The main similarity is that there's still some kind of field of energy surrounding the ship. With the Blueberry Aliens, this does not apply, so it's likely they use some form of hyperdrive. But the command ship is still an interesting case. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 03:35, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

The blueberry aliens have an entirely unique effect, but the drone FTL is ripped straight from Destiny. Dialogue cannot be taken by itself as canon, certainly not without context. In this context, one term is being blanket applied to distinctly unique drive systems. We cannot say they use hyperdrive based on dialog on. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:45, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Dialog CAN be considered CANNON without context in this situation. I do have to agree that the Drone hyperspace exit effect do not much previously seen, but for all we know the Green colored field that had surrounded the The Control ship can be some form of hyperspace window we had not yet seen before. I mean we do NOT know if general appearance of hyperspace window we seen throughout the show is true in all cases. But really we do not have to even guess the dialog in the show CLEARLLY states that the ship is using hyperspace and as for context, it neither supports ore denies it.KSST ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 05:16, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

They also say "off-world" when leaving a spaceship. Are we thus to assume it's a planet? Ignoring context means ignoring the facts. Fact is, we know what hyperspace is. We've seen it, in this show and others. What these two use? Not hyperspace, not in any form we've seen. Furthermore, the drone ship uses an FTL effect pinched straight from Destiny, a direct observation anyone can make. Hyperspace window can thus only be taken as a generalization, especially considering there is no "window" to speak of the second time. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:23, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Look my point is, even though we know, how the hyperspace window looks like, it does not change the fact that there is a possibility, that it is not only appearance it could take. And this renders the context unreliable. I can understand where you coming from, but no one in the show actually said that the basic appearance we had observed is the ONLY appearance of the Hyperspace window that there COULD be. And as for you reference to the fact that Destiny expedition refer to leaving the ship as "off world", well the expression "off world" does not mean "off planet" it mean "off location" in this case the ship. The statement ship dropping out hyperspace is not an expression and can be interpreted only one way.KSST ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 06:59, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was telling him over at Talk: FTL. Just wanted to let you two know that I'm on your side. Jauh0 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 09:58, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think we can all agree that the Blueberry Alien Motherships use some form of hyperspace since 3 different people, Brody, Volker, and Park all said it uses hyperspace. Plus, the visual and sound effects for the blueberry alien motherships are completely different than any FTL effect we've seen. But the Drone Command ship is obviously debatable. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:53, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have to both agree and disagree on this statement. Because, we can not make the judgement based on the apparent effect. As we do not know what is the limitations of hyperspace window appearance. And considering this, the only thing we have to relay on, is the information in the dialog. So based on this, I propose that both the Blueberry alien mothership page and Control ship page should be edit to reflect that they use hyperspace as means of travel, while still leaving references to the effect inconsistency in trivia section. If we wish to avoid using our controversial interpretations and uncanonical speculations in the articles this is the beast coarse of action.KSST ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:09, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case, we should just leave it as FTL but mention that it may be some form of hyperdrive. After all, FTL is a general term for anything that can travel Faster than Light. Hyperdrives are a form of FTL. So if we're not sure, then leave it as FTL because it's still technically correct. General Heed ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:17, March 12, 2011 (UTC)