In the latest episode Keller and Neeva switched bodies due to one of these things. In order for that to have worked Neeva must have the gene since I doubt her stone was initalized (and didn't it lock onto the person who initalized it unless it was reset) but in Avalon and Crusade the people didn't switch bodies, the person who activated the terminal took over the other person's body completly with their minds just being buried. So why did they change that now???
I'm Guessing that that device is alot more advanced than the one in Avalon or crusade or maybe its was a different type.—Tau'ri 21300 07:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Or maybe the writters forgot the way they did the first one: I've seen things happen like that before and it gets seriously annoying. For example: Thor says he's gonna add shields AND weapons to Prometheus, we never see them and only later learn that for some reason the Asgard apparently changed their minds when we learn they refused to put weapons on the Daedalus. Only explanation we ever got for that discrepenc. Then there's all the discrepencies they put in about when a Goa'uld dies within its hosts, man they just can't keep their stories straight!!! Oh and then there's the whole Sheppard and Todd thing: in Common Ground they had an almost friendship thing going on there (which I liked) and neither wanted to kill the other and hoped to never meet again so they wouldn't have to worry about that. They bring Todd back and the repoire they had going is completly gone and Sheppard keeps saying he's looking for a chance to kill Todd whenever he talks to him. What happened to the relationship they built up between the two???
I'd say these are just more of the same ancient stones, recovered/found by the Tau'ri, the same basic stone technology. They used the same stone that Jack used to go to the Ori galaxy and assume full control of other peoples bodies. These episodes, such as the one where the alien takes her body, could in fact be the aliens messing with the technology, asume the "powered" up version of the device. The stone itself normally transmits thoughts and things, but when using the device discovered in Avalon, it changes the mode slightly, and increases the range. Remember in those episodes, only one side had the power up device to work, on the Tau'ri side, the others only had stones. This means that the aliens have started working on their own device to do that job, just as the Tau'ri did. Can the Tau'ri or the aliens produce more stones, unlikely, but possible. The tech existed to the Ancients before they left the Ori.74.129.75.153 02:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
At the end of Common Ground they say "All bets are off," meaning, yeah, they got along when they had to to survive, but should they ever run into each other again, they're not friends, not by a long shot. He's still a Wraith, one who has betrayed Atlantis more than once. Remember, it's because of him that the Wraith made it to Earth and ultimately, Midway was destroyed.—Ka'lel 08:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually he claims to have nothing to do with that that the information was stolen from him and given how surprised he was, I'm inclined to believe him on that one. When he betrayed us last time, he did think we betrayed him first. In Common Ground while they agreed "all bets are off," they also both seemed reluctant for that to happen with Todd even commenting that they should both hope that they did not encounter each other again. Both at that time clearly didn't want to enter a situation where they'd have to possibly kill each other.--User:WarGrowlmon18 02:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
They dont switch minds in Avalon probably because the communication decvice isnt near enough to them on the Ori planet or isnt turned on when Earth's was. Its like if someone has a really strong radio (a terminal with a stone,) and someone else has a really weak one (just a stone,) the person with the strong radio will be able to transmit signals to the person with the weak radio but the weak radio will not be able to send anything back. In atlantis both people had one (Janus's may hae been built into the system or just not found yet,) and it would have been activated just like the stones, so it was like two strong radios which can talk to each other. Sman789 20:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Do we actually know that the device can kill if the person on the other side dies? Sman789 20:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Language
Daniel said that he and Vala could understand what everyone in the Ori galaxy was saying because the device was translating for them... and that everyone was really speaking (what he believed to be) Ancient. Yet, somehow, they all spoke English upon entering the milky way.—Anubis 10545 16:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Everyone speaks english everywhere in the universe so why would it even matter.99.141.206.87 21:42, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
thats actually a good point —ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 22:44, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
Chart
I added a chart that can be easily maintained as this device is going to see a lot of use. I believe it will add clarity to the page and essentially be easier and more interesting to read. If anyone can think of a better title than "Reason and circumstances", by all means. I'm in a rush and that's the best I can think of at the moment. Cheers. Kal'el T | C - 16:56, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
Can someone also add something about how drinking alcohol effects the person who is inhabiting the body, not it's original owner. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 17:26, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
I added "It is similar to the original in that whatever happens to the body, happens to the mind currently occupying the body." but that is vague. It's difficult to word what happens and I'm very pressed for time. For instance, Chloe got drunk in someone else's body, but if she were to swap back while still drunk, she would be fine in her own body and the person would return thinking "why the hell am I drunk?". If no one comes up with something I'll put more thought into it later, for now I have to go. Cheers. Kal'el T | C - 18:04, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
I think intoxications (alcohol included) affect body and not consciousness --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:11, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
goa'uld
um, dont the goauld also use a long range communication device albeit in a more conventional manner as per tok'ra part 2 ? ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 10:52, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
wow, there are different kinds of communication devices. Tv, radio, phone, sub-space communicators, and these types of ancient devices.
anyways, the ori could have taught there soldiers english some way some how. that will explain why the blue alien didn't know english or couldn't speak it or understand it when young and the blue alien swapped bodies. and also, the blue alien's body wasn;t even capable of speaking english or anything else humans can speak. more like bugs or fish or something. —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 22:03, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
- im talking about a specific device that teal'c actually refers to as a long-range communicator or something along those lines ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 22:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
- The Goa'uld Long Range Visual Communication Device :) --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 15:24, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Temporary imprint or constant broadcast?
Since they were first seen, there has been two possible ways that the stones work:
- 1. (CB) They broadcast the signals sent from the brain to the nervous system of the origninal user to the other user, and transmit the other user's senses back to the original user. The consciousness is always processed by it's original brain.
- 2. (TI) The conciousness of the user is temporarily transmitted to the other user and vica-versa and processed by new host's brain. Perhaps a signal from the stones keeps the new consciousness imprinted and then once the signal stops it just plops away.
Unfortunatly I can see arguments for and against both possibilities. With the CB method, if you drank alcohol in someone elses body then they should feel the effects in your body, and it would be interfering with their brain and not yours. Also, on Subversion, when Rush (in Telford's body) was stunned, Telford in Rush's body stayed fine, which he shouldn't have done if Telford's mind was being processed by his own brain. But the problem with the TI method is that once you disconnected the stones (or when the LRCD was instantly destroyed like on Avalon), the person still has all the memories of being in the other's body, but if the device was instantly destroyed then they should just wake up remembering nothing since they left. Unless there is some sort of memory update every few seconds or so... Anyway, the implications of the TI method would be that if you used the stones, it would actually be you doing everything the other person does, your soul but as another person and with no memory afterwards. You would never actually be in the other person's body, you would just gain memories of them doing everything they did based on your personality. Thaughts? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 21:37, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Also, on Incursion P1, when Telford is suffocated, Rush feels the effects in his body too Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 22:43, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Accents
"Subversion" got me thinking, accents have nothing to do with the body you're in, they're based on how/where you were raised and how you were taught to speak. There's a reason anyone could switch accents on a dime, it all has to do with the way you move your mouth to form words. The same goes for mannerisms. I think it would be so much cooler if they had taken that into account and had Rush attempt an American/LDP accent while he was impersonating Telford. Hell, if I was the Lucian Alliance and Rush called me, I'd immediately think "well Telford's not Scottish, so that's not Telford. Could be Rush". Kal'el T | C - 16:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- They might have caught onto that, but they knew it wasn't him anyway because he didn't give the code. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Rush still sounds like Telford from the perspective of the characters. We have to give a little leeway based on the fact that we aren't seeing things from their point of view. The actor's accent is a lot thicker, so it stands to reason Rush is making a similar effort. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 16:57, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Suddenly I remembered that back in Avalon Jackson mentioned that stones may also translate language. He was probably wrong, because everyone speaks perfect English everywhere, but if he was right they would probably alter accent too. Just accepting everything about host's speaking brain function - vocabulary, pronunciation --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 18:17, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Now I rewatched Crusade and noticed that when Michael Shanks' voice is heard he didn't try to imitate Claudia Black's accent at all. So, we can accept as fully canon that for some reason device uses host's accent. --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 06:41, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Split
Why don't we split article into Ancient one and Tau'ri custom device? I think we should --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 18:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
- They're not all that different. Same function, same principles, etc, just different design. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 18:48, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree this page should be split up. - Blade Crimsonsun 17:30, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hyperspace
I just noticed that jumping into hyperspace doesn't affect the device's communication. Now we know the device sends its signal through subspace which is what hyperspace really is. This kind of proves that FTL Drives on the Destiny do not really utilize subspace in anyway. The original theory was that the FTL drives surround destiny in a subspace field or bubble thus allowing it to travel faster than light. However, if it was a subspace bubble or field, the stones shouldn't have been disrupted. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:28, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Switching with yourself?
When the alternate Colonel Teleford requested that he switch bodies with himself (main version), I wondered if that was even possible. It's the same body and same conciousness. How would the communications device be able to differentiate between the two? What if it gets the two mixed up during the swap and they end up in the wrong body forever? Not that it'd matter. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:46, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Well, they are not completely identical, the microscopic differences caused by the split, like memories and the other Telford is a few hours older, so I don't see a reason why it would be a problem. I also think that it wouldn't be a problem in the first place. You can swap the cociuoylspodsoosd(lazy) together, but you can only swap them with each other and you can't physically mix the matter that they originate from(brains) so I don't think this mechanical device would have any problems with it. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 13:27, March 16, 2011 (UTC)