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So, I just wanted to point out that the device used in Stargate universe is likely technology derived from the stone that had O'neill connected to a barber for years.
 
 
That was in teh episode "Citzen Joe" in season 8 of sg-1. Heres what the wiki page of it says about the stones. "It is then discovered that the reason Joe has been seeing the visions, flashes of the life of Jack O'Neill, is because of an Ancient long-range communication device brought back from the same world as the quantum mirror. The device, which was activated by O'Neill when he touched a mysterious black stone in Daniel Jackson's lab, connects two minds together telepathically and Joe, who possesses the same Ancient gene as O'Neill, activated the companion device when he touched the stone at the garage sale"
 
to me it seems far more likely that the device seen in SGU was derived from these stones than from the ancient communication devices discovered later.
 
 
 
 
In the latest episode Keller and Neeva switched bodies due to one of these things. In order for that to have worked Neeva must have the gene since I doubt her stone was initalized (and didn't it lock onto the person who initalized it unless it was reset) but in Avalon and Crusade the people didn't switch bodies, the person who activated the terminal took over the other person's body completly with their minds just being buried. So why did they change that now???
 
In the latest episode Keller and Neeva switched bodies due to one of these things. In order for that to have worked Neeva must have the gene since I doubt her stone was initalized (and didn't it lock onto the person who initalized it unless it was reset) but in Avalon and Crusade the people didn't switch bodies, the person who activated the terminal took over the other person's body completly with their minds just being buried. So why did they change that now???
   
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I'd say these are just more of the same ancient stones, recovered/found by the Tau'ri, the same basic stone technology. They used the same stone that Jack used to go to the Ori galaxy and assume full control of other peoples bodies. These episodes, such as the one where the alien takes her body, could in fact be the aliens messing with the technology, asume the "powered" up version of the device. The stone itself normally transmits thoughts and things, but when using the device discovered in Avalon, it changes the mode slightly, and increases the range. Remember in those episodes, only one side had the power up device to work, on the Tau'ri side, the others only had stones. This means that the aliens have started working on their own device to do that job, just as the Tau'ri did. Can the Tau'ri or the aliens produce more stones, unlikely, but possible. The tech existed to the Ancients before they left the Ori.[[Special:Contributions/74.129.75.153|74.129.75.153]] 02:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
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At the end of Common Ground they say "All bets are off," meaning, yeah, they got along when they had to to survive, but should they ever run into each other again, they're not friends, not by a long shot. He's still a Wraith, one who has betrayed Atlantis more than once. Remember, it's because of him that the Wraith made it to Earth and ultimately, Midway was destroyed.—[[User:Ka'lel|Ka'lel]] 08:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 
At the end of Common Ground they say "All bets are off," meaning, yeah, they got along when they had to to survive, but should they ever run into each other again, they're not friends, not by a long shot. He's still a Wraith, one who has betrayed Atlantis more than once. Remember, it's because of him that the Wraith made it to Earth and ultimately, Midway was destroyed.—[[User:Ka'lel|Ka'lel]] 08:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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In the latest episode Keller and Neeva switched bodies due to one of these things. In order for that to have worked Neeva must have the gene since I doubt her stone was initalized (and didn't it lock onto the person who initalized it unless it was reset) but in Avalon and Crusade the people didn't switch bodies, the person who activated the terminal took over the other person's body completly with their minds just being buried. So why did they change that now???


I'm Guessing that that device is alot more advanced than the one in Avalon or crusade or maybe its was a different type.—Tau'ri 21300 07:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


Or maybe the writters forgot the way they did the first one: I've seen things happen like that before and it gets seriously annoying. For example: Thor says he's gonna add shields AND weapons to Prometheus, we never see them and only later learn that for some reason the Asgard apparently changed their minds when we learn they refused to put weapons on the Daedalus. Only explanation we ever got for that discrepenc. Then there's all the discrepencies they put in about when a Goa'uld dies within its hosts, man they just can't keep their stories straight!!! Oh and then there's the whole Sheppard and Todd thing: in Common Ground they had an almost friendship thing going on there (which I liked) and neither wanted to kill the other and hoped to never meet again so they wouldn't have to worry about that. They bring Todd back and the repoire they had going is completly gone and Sheppard keeps saying he's looking for a chance to kill Todd whenever he talks to him. What happened to the relationship they built up between the two???



I'd say these are just more of the same ancient stones, recovered/found by the Tau'ri, the same basic stone technology. They used the same stone that Jack used to go to the Ori galaxy and assume full control of other peoples bodies. These episodes, such as the one where the alien takes her body, could in fact be the aliens messing with the technology, asume the "powered" up version of the device. The stone itself normally transmits thoughts and things, but when using the device discovered in Avalon, it changes the mode slightly, and increases the range. Remember in those episodes, only one side had the power up device to work, on the Tau'ri side, the others only had stones. This means that the aliens have started working on their own device to do that job, just as the Tau'ri did. Can the Tau'ri or the aliens produce more stones, unlikely, but possible. The tech existed to the Ancients before they left the Ori.74.129.75.153 02:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of Common Ground they say "All bets are off," meaning, yeah, they got along when they had to to survive, but should they ever run into each other again, they're not friends, not by a long shot. He's still a Wraith, one who has betrayed Atlantis more than once. Remember, it's because of him that the Wraith made it to Earth and ultimately, Midway was destroyed.—Ka'lel 08:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


Actually he claims to have nothing to do with that that the information was stolen from him and given how surprised he was, I'm inclined to believe him on that one. When he betrayed us last time, he did think we betrayed him first. In Common Ground while they agreed "all bets are off," they also both seemed reluctant for that to happen with Todd even commenting that they should both hope that they did not encounter each other again. Both at that time clearly didn't want to enter a situation where they'd have to possibly kill each other.--User:WarGrowlmon18 02:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


They dont switch minds in Avalon probably because the communication decvice isnt near enough to them on the Ori planet or isnt turned on when Earth's was. Its like if someone has a really strong radio (a terminal with a stone,) and someone else has a really weak one (just a stone,) the person with the strong radio will be able to transmit signals to the person with the weak radio but the weak radio will not be able to send anything back. In atlantis both people had one (Janus's may hae been built into the system or just not found yet,) and it would have been activated just like the stones, so it was like two strong radios which can talk to each other. Sman789 20:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


Do we actually know that the device can kill if the person on the other side dies? Sman789 20:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


Language

Daniel said that he and Vala could understand what everyone in the Ori galaxy was saying because the device was translating for them... and that everyone was really speaking (what he believed to be) Ancient. Yet, somehow, they all spoke English upon entering the milky way.—Anubis 10545 16:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)




Everyone speaks english everywhere in the universe so why would it even matter.99.141.206.87 21:42, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


thats actually a good point —ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 22:44, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


Chart

I added a chart that can be easily maintained as this device is going to see a lot of use. I believe it will add clarity to the page and essentially be easier and more interesting to read. If anyone can think of a better title than "Reason and circumstances", by all means. I'm in a rush and that's the best I can think of at the moment. Cheers. Kal'el T | C - 16:56, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


Can someone also add something about how drinking alcohol effects the person who is inhabiting the body, not it's original owner. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 17:26, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


I added "It is similar to the original in that whatever happens to the body, happens to the mind currently occupying the body." but that is vague. It's difficult to word what happens and I'm very pressed for time. For instance, Chloe got drunk in someone else's body, but if she were to swap back while still drunk, she would be fine in her own body and the person would return thinking "why the hell am I drunk?". If no one comes up with something I'll put more thought into it later, for now I have to go. Cheers. Kal'el T | C - 18:04, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


I think intoxications (alcohol included) affect body and not consciousness --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:11, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

goa'uld

um, dont the goauld also use a long range communication device albeit in a more conventional manner as per tok'ra part 2 ? ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 10:52, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

wow, there are different kinds of communication devices. Tv, radio, phone, sub-space communicators, and these types of ancient devices.

anyways, the ori could have taught there soldiers english some way some how. that will explain why the blue alien didn't know english or couldn't speak it or understand it when young and the blue alien swapped bodies. and also, the blue alien's body wasn;t even capable of speaking english or anything else humans can speak. more like bugs or fish or something. —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 22:03, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

im talking about a specific device that teal'c actually refers to as a long-range communicator or something along those lines ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 22:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
The Goa'uld Long Range Visual Communication Device :) --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 15:24, May 1, 2010 (UTC)