At the end of episode sabotage, he seem to be mysteriously disappear after using the Destiny interface chair to bypass the damage and engage the Faster-Than-Light engine to save Destiny from the Blueberry alien attack in the void. Could it possibly be that the knowledge downloaded into his brain from the first attempt using the Destiny interface chair affected his disappearance. Aside from these there must be a reason why he lower the temperature in the room and ask everyone out of the chair room. My guess is that he must did it for him to ascend to higher plane and the knowledge downloaded into his mind might had trigger him to be concious and use the chair . This is the only explanation I could think to describe his disappearance. Hopefully in the next few episode or perhaps in the Universe Season 2, we will know what actually happen to him!!!! - Hafiedz

Wasn't he in the promo for next week's episode? —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:28, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
No, he wasn't --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 07:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well surely the internal sensors must have picked up something... or maybe he just left the room through another door and the writers thaught that a totally unneccessary cliffhanger would be fun :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
After just watching it my dad thought he ascended (I'm shocked he even knows what that means as he's not anywhere near as big a fan as I am and he only occasionaly watched the shows) while I said maybe he just found another damn door.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 16:44, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
-- Destiny (& its technology) was created & launched millions of years before the Ancients evolved enough to discover it may be possible to reach a higher plane of existence (& MUCH more passed before they actually achieved it). Because ascension was unknown when Destiny was built & launched, the on-board repository cannot have contained data on the subject or any that could have helped Franklin do it successfully (despite knowing it's possible)...... That is, of course, provided the writers choose to maintain the storyline. As a Star Wars fan, I've lost all faith that any franchise will put forth effort to maintain its own credibility and continuity.
-- I'm under the strong impression there is only one door into the chair room. It's the ONLY door I can remember being used & the control consoles seem to be placed so as to leave an entrance on that side of the room only. I don't really remember a console where the camera is usually positioned to the left of the door, but that seems to be more of a filming/set technicality than an actual depiction of the arrangement of the chair room.
-- As for what could have happened, it's possible he used the chair and/or Destiny to repair his body in some way that allowed him to move under his own power (I wondered, when he was being put into the chair, if he could reverse the effects). It's possible he used Destiny to interface with machinery/technology that enabled him to transport his body under external power. But again, there seems to be one door, which was under surveillance; perhaps he teleported or something. (My name is Dan, btw) -- 22:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think chair contains ascension info. I think he gone into another damn door to do something odd, like putting himself into large neural interface device which will keep him in stasis while using his brain as CP of ship's main computer

SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 21:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)ascension does make sense. maybe the cold temp. was some form of stasis?

It is possible near ascension data is in the Destiny interface chair though. We saw in the pilot that the CO2 scrubbers needed replacement that could imply Ancients were at one time on the ship. And in Human we saw the repository's programming capable of being editted by Rush so its possible the Ancients were there at one point and simply put more information into the pool.

I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to program the chair to fix his brain, obviously he was already pretty well recovered, but that still doesn't explain where he went, unless Destiny has an Ancient beam transporter ststem. But come on, people, THINK!!! Franklin chose to make it colder in there for a reason and that's a big clue... Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 23:19, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
The CO2 scrubbers survived millions of years. This implies (to me) they were used extremely minimally & simple age put them in the state the Destiny Expedition found them in. Also, Destiny has been confirmed to have been forgotten & abandoned by the Ancients before it was put to use. (Dan again) -- 23:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Given that human researchers at this point have been studying Ancient, Asgard, Ori, Go'uld and other kinds of technology already, getting in the chair may have been just enough to achieve Ascension even if the Ancients who built Destiny weren't able to. It's also possible that at some point some Ancients did come through the Gate onto Destiny and added more information to it while they were there. The show kinda makes it seem like we have everything all sorted out and neat but based on their technology they're kind of underpopulating the past: Atlantis being the capital city and all that is completely underwhelming. There wouldn't have been a few billion Ancients across two galaxies, there would have been trillions and someone probably did go through that Gate onto Destiny... there's probably Ancients in the galaxies they're going through (they made it from the Ori galaxy to ours and Pegasus before they even had Destiny type ships so... they just stopped here? They had one capital the size of Manhattan? Impossible.) 23:27, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

For one thing, it has already been confirmed that Destiny predates travel to Pegasus. It has also been confirmed that it requires millions of years to travel to Destiny's current position due to the fact it has taken Destiny that long with comparatively short interruptions along the way. Also, Destiny has been confirmed to have been forgotten & abandoned by the Ancients before it was put to use. (Dan again) -- 23:38, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Just for future reference, the Destiny Expedition is the first group on Destiny after it's launch, and there's no way that Franklin ascended, due to the chair having little to no knowledge about ascension, and him having only limited knowledge of the "process". More likely is that he fused with the ship. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 23:39, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
What if some ascended beings or some ancients did come through to Destiny at one point? They could've still wiped all records of their visit. The CO2 Scrubbers were all completely used up when the Destiny Expedition arrived. That means someone must've been using them. Also, even though while it said it took millions of years to reach Destiny's position, that was with an FTL Drive. I'm sure FTL Drives are a lot slower than modern hyper drives. Perhaps Atlantis with a full complement of ZPM's could reach the Destiny in maybe 10-20 years. And don't forget about Atlantis's Wormhole Drive which let them travel across the galaxy in a few seconds. They could use that to reach the Destiny in less than a day. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:00, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
I think you're forgetting the fact that our writers are effectively omniscient, so if they say no one from the known galaxies have ever visited Destiny, then consider it fact. Besides, there is STILL no way that Atlantis could reach the Destiny so fast, even with more advanced technology. We're talking at least HUNDREDS of galaxies away, BILLIONS of light years. Also, we have already discovered from the Ori galaxy & the Ori themselves that ascended beings cannot just traverse the universe at will. Remember: the Ancients were not there to stop Morgan Le Fay when she interfered in the affairs of lesser beings in The Ark of Truth. I've already addressed the scrubbers, but here we go again... they WILL go bad after millions of years even if there were no beings to take advantage of their function. Has everyone completely forgotten that we're talking about MILLIONS OF YEARS? EVERYTHING goes bad in that amount of time, no matter what the heck it is. (Dan) -- 03:14, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Ok I understand now why the scrubbers were all used up when they arrived. Now as for Atlantis, it's wormhole drive should be able to reach Destiny. Remember the wormhole drive is supposed to work like a stargate, so it actually should be able to reach Destiny in a matter of minutes, days at most. As long as they have enough ZPM's, they could make it there. It's true that to dial the Destiny, a lot of power is required. But the purpose of the 9th chevron seems to be to add a calculation for a destination that's in motion like the Destiny in FTL. In the article about Destiny's FTL drive, it said that an incoming wormhole will cause the ship to drop out of FTL. However, in the episode Lost, when the ship jumped into FTL, Eli could no longer dial the Destiny using the standard 7 chevron address. I don't think the 9th chevron gives you more distance for the stargate. It requires a lot of power because of the destination in motion. So if Atlantis can calculate Destiny's position in space the next time it drops out, then they can use the wormhole drive to reach destiny without having to use excessive amounts of power like on Icarus. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
The wormhole drive requires massive amounts of power just to cross from the outside of the Milky Way to Earth. That's a distance measured at barely a million light years. Three ZPMs, which they had at the time, would never make it all the way to Destiny. However, Atlantis' regular hyperdrive is absurdly fast. It could reach Destiny in months if they could hold at top speed for that long. To be specific, it can cross a billion light-years in just under two weeks. As for the assertion that the power is for a ship in motion, it's not true. Destiny stopped moving when the gate was dialed. Stationary or not, it would require a massive amount of power to get there. More to the point, even if we were to assume it was true, it is not something that would matter because the wormhole drive is not the same as a Stargate. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:13, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Our Galaxy is barely 120000 light years in diameter. Pegasus Milky way distance is three million lightyears (It is dwarf galaxy orbiting Andromeda) they did it in hours time. fully comparable to Asgard drives. But neither seem to be capable of flying that fast for long. (Even Atlantis´s hyperdrive stoped working on the edge of milky way).--Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 16:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
The Wormhole drive is basically just a Stargate connection that takes a dungload more power and moves the whole city to the end-location. Besides, they need perfect calculations for it to work, if they're off even by a fraction, the whole city would be vaporized and/or end up god knows where in the Universe. And the power requirements are even larger then those of the Stargate dialing the 9th chevron, due to the whole city going in the Wormhole, as a full, and not as energy like in normal Stargate wormholes, and the distance... oh god the distance... billions upon billions of lightyears.... :ohdear: what was my point? Oh yeah, Wormhole drive = Stargate's wormhole, except it doesn't energize the transportee (Atlantis), due to the shield, and so has to make a larger way through the Hyper(sub)space. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well in that case, a more efficient strategy would be to use a Supergate. They could get help from the priors or the doci in the Ori galaxy. From there, they dial a gate that's close to destiny and then use the method to turn the planet into a singularity and send the pieces of the supergate through. I'm sure the priors in the Ori galaxy know how to produce enough energy to dial the supergate. Plus, since there's a black hole there, they wouldn't need as much power. Once the supergate is ready, they can send a ship through to the destiny, dial the gate back, and bring the destiny back to Earth. Problem solved! General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:07, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Incorrect, since they have no way to dial the AHG. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:18, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, they can. In Stargate: The Ark of Truth, they used the Supergate to dial the Alteran Home Galaxy and sent the Odyssey through to find the Ark and stop the Ori armies. There's no reason they can't do that again. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:25, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Odyssey used a ZedPM to dial the gate, and the ship and it's Batter are unavailable, and Atlantis and it's batteries are also unavailable. And they can't dial a gate near Destiny, since they're most likely too far away for a conventional 8-chevron address, and 9Chevron only dials to Earth and Destiny :3 —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Then they can just use that ZPM to dial the supergate again. I'm pretty sure the Odyssey still has the ZPM and they never depleted it. The 9 chevron address is unlike any other address, especially when used to dial Destiny. We know the last chevron is a code that requires you to use Earth as the point of origin regardless of what planet you are on. Therefore, we still don't fully know the exact purpose or nature of the 9th chevron. And my theory before where it's used to calculate an object in motion does make sense and explains why Eli couldn't dial the Destiny after it jumped into FTL. The only way to reach destiny while it's in FTL is with a 9 chevron address. Otherwise an 8 chevron address should be enough to reach any planet in the galaxy that Destiny is in or is about to enter. The Ori home galaxy takes about a year to reach by using hyperdrives. But we know they can reach the Asgard home galaxy pretty quickly. There galaxy is around 4 million light years from the milky way. Therefore, the Ori home galaxy must be around several hundred million light years away if it takes years to reach us by hyperspace. So perhaps from the Ori home galaxy they can dial a planet near destiny and it won't take as much power as it would if it were dialed from Earth. So basically it'd be sort of like connecting the dots. From Earth you go to the Ori home galaxy via supergate, then from there you send another supergate to the galaxy where destiny is in. So there you go, problem solved. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
You seem to be forgetting that creating a supergate takes a massive amount of effort, and that the people with the know-how to do it are dead. The Priors certainly wouldn't have such knowledge, they just get it from other sources. They also have no idea where Destiny is, and no way to dial a random address in the network. It's simply not possible. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
It would seem as if the Ori Motherships were built by simple villagers and it doesn't seem like the Ori were there to help them build the ships step by step. Therefore, the instructions must've been given to a prior in one form or another. So perhaps the priors still have that knowledge of building supergates. To find destiny, they can use the 9 chevron address to calculate its position in space or use the coordinates for one of the other stargates in Destiny's galaxy to find out where they are. And perhaps the priors can use the ancient communication device to track the signal. We know the priors know how to turn off the device and possibly how it works. So perhaps they can track the signal. Then from there, they send the supergate. I would love to see an Ori Mothership or the Odyssey go up against one of those blueberry alien ships. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 00:10, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
There is absolutely no reason to believe that AHG is anywhere near Destiny´s flight path. For what we know it could be in totally opossite direction. (which is logical- why would Alterans send Destiny back from where they ran) Plus: No supergate anywhere near Destiny. (Conection supergate/normal gate would probably not bode well for the smaller gate- I doubt it could handle it) While Asgard/Ori/Atlantis fully powered Atlantis hyperdrives could probably reach Destiny within half a year of sustained flight they would burn out so much energy... Not to mention that Asgard fleet is gone, fate of Ori fleet is unknown and Earth has yet again hardly enough partialy charged ZPMs to maintain it´s defences. (Atlantis/drone platform though chair was blown away I doubt drones were)

They may go to the AHG, but as you said, it'd take a year or so, and the Odyssey is still unavailable. And the 9C dials to Destiny or Earth, there are no other choices. And you can't use it to calculate the location, it's a code. And using an 8C address to dial the galaxy would still need an Icarus type planet, due to the power requirements, and they don't currently have one. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:18, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Then they can use a ZPM from Atlantis to dial the Supergate to the AHG. As far as we know, Atlantis is still on Earth. That's probably how they found the 9 chevron address. Now to dial the galaxy that destiny is in would require a lot of power, but if the AHG is between the Milky Way and Destiny's Galaxy, then they wouldn't need as much power as an Icarus Type planet. Perhaps, a few ZPM's is all it will take to dial that galaxy from the AHG. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:03, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Atlantis burned out its ZPMs in the finale just trying to land. If they could power a gate to reach all the way to Destiny with the ZPMs they had, they wouldn't be trying to use an unstable planet as a power source. There's no way anyone can reach Destiny without replicating that. The only Destiny style gate in the network is Destiny itself, and that can only be dialed from the Milky Way as far as we know. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:07, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Atlantis is unavailable (SGA movie), and so what if AHG is closer, it'll still need more power than ZedPMs can provide, at least most likely. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 21:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
If the AHG is closer like halfway between the Milky Way and Destiny, then it wouldn't take more than one ZPM at each gate to get back and forth using the AHG as sort of a bridge. And Atlantis may still be available and they didn't completely deplete all their ZPM's. They still had enough to power the cloaking device. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 23:05, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
You seem to be grossly underestimating the distances involved here. Let me put this in perspective for you. It takes a year's journey to get to the Ori galaxy. If we are to assume this is by the Odyssey standard, then the distance to Destiny's initial position is over nine times greater, if not more. That's more than one ZPM, even fully charged, is going to cover. As to the matter of cloaking the city, cloaking devices take almost no power to run in comparison to the shield. It can be done with a regular naquada reactor. ZPMs are needed to get the shield going, and they explicitly ran out of power on the trip into Earth's atmosphere. What you're trying to suggest is simply not possible. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:45, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
I just read the article about the Supergates. It seems they are solely powered by black holes which is why they can be used to maintain an indefinite wormhole. Now why not use a black hole to power a regular stargate to connect to the Destiny? Why the need for an icarus type planet? Those planet's blow up after 1 dial to the destiny. A black hole seems to be more efficient and less explosive. So they can still use the black hole to dial distant galaxies without the need of a ZPM. And as far as we know, the Odyssey still has a ZPM. I'm sure there are black holes in the galaxy that destiny is headed towards. It looks like somewhat of a spiral galaxy so that indicates a black hole in the center. If they can dial a planet near that black hole, they can travel back and forth between the Milky Way and whatever galaxy Destiny is in. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:20, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
Again, no. Supergates are powered by a micro-singularity, something made from the mass of a single planet. Your average black hole has more mass than Earth's sun, minimum. Plus, that only worked because the Supergates were designed to make use of that energy. An average gate wouldn't do the same, plus it would screw over Destiny. It also wouldn't work in reverse, because Destiny's gate is buried inside the ship, which would be torn apart by the time they moved close enough to even theoretically make use of the energy output of the black hole. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
Again, they don't have the 8C address for the planetary gates, only the 9C address for Destiny and Earth, which are constant. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:49, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
The Destiny's shields should be strong enough to withstand the extreme gravitational forces of a black hole. If it can fly directly into a sun, then it should last long enough near a black hole to dial Earth. Also, has anyone noticed that in the first episode when Eli was watching those videos, it went over several main themes and topics about the stargate universe and so far almost all of those topics have been covered in the series? The only one that hasn't been covered and explored in depth is Ascension. I think that's what happened to Dr. Franklin when he disappeared. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 04:35, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Destiny's shield only allows it to fly through a star because the shield is constantly being fed power while the ship recharges. In the absence of that, something the size of Destiny would be ripped apart in a black hole, and would never be able to draw power from it until after the ship was in pieces. Ascension was covered in "Time". — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know why people are discussing a black hole...Regardless of weather or not we could survive being near it, we wouldn't be able to use it anyway... we know that Destiny's Stargate (or at least the power conduits that lead to the Stargate) can't handle that amount of power, probably due to battle damage incresing their resistance. It's the same electricity, you know, weather it comes from a star, a black hole, a ZPM, or a friggin' Arcturus device; so it shouldn't be any easier to dial no matter what power source you use, unless you get a ZPM and plug it right into the gate using brand new superconductors like those at the SGC. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 10:43, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
The Destiny's Stargate can't handle that much power because it's an older design with an older system. That indicates that the Destiny Stargate uses less energy than a modern stargate. Also, the destiny stargate is a bit smaller than modern stargates so that also uses less energy. As we've seen with the supergates, to dial a stargate that's bigger, you need a lot more energy. Since the destiny gate can't handle that much power to begin with, it really does seem like there's no way back to Earth without another ship. Also, even though ascension was covered a bit in Time, it was never explored in depth or used specifically in any episodes yet. The first video was about the stargates which was obviously used in depth already. The next was the 9th chevron and icarus base which was also used in depth. The Lucian Alliance was also used in the next two episodes (spoilers). Hyperspace was also used with the Hammond and the Destiny's FTL Drive not being through hyperspace. The only topic left that was not explored in depth or used in any episode would be Ascension. In fact, in Season 2 Episode 1 (Intervention Part 3), I think that's where Dr. Franklin comes back into the picture. At the end of the previous episode, all hope seemed lost. The Destiny was about to be destroyed. No power left, no shields left, everyone about to die. Something huge must've happened. And I think it's Dr. Franklin in his ascended form that helped save the ship and everyone else. Plus, since he's all the way on the edge of the universe, the other ascended beings can't stop him from interfering. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 16:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I think I sort of misrepresented my opinion in my last post. I believe the problem (and even Rush said it was the problem) is transferring the power through the ship to the gate. I think the gate can handle it because it's made from an intact superconductor, but the power lines in the ship have been damaged which increses the resistance in the circuit which means that lots of power will give off lots of heat and cause massive problems. The gate itself would be fine with it but the ship wouldn't. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 19:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
But still, I don't think the gate could handle that much power either way. In the episode Earth, when they tried dialing Earth, Rush said they were going to overload the gate capacitors. Rush also said the system wasn't designed to handle that much power at once. In other words, that Stargate, because it's the oldest model, was never meant to handle such large amounts of power. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:10, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but how do we know the capacitors are inside the gate and not part of Destiny? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:49, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well, the planetary gates most likely have their capacitors inside. So the Destiny's stargate should be the same. Also, they've never made any mention about the ship itself being a capacitor. Plus, in the episode Earth, when they were trying to dial Earth, Rush said that they were going to overload the capacitors and they had to bring down the power flow to the gate. If the capacitors were actually in the ship and not the gate, that design would be an extremely inefficient design. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:00, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
the 9 cheveron address is a code that only connects to destiny's stargate and earth's. the 8 cheveron address will work to connect to the galaxy destiny is in. , it is not used to connect to something in motion as everything in the universe is always moving A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 00:47, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well, when i said something in motion, I meant like FTL. For planets, the correlative gate update system in the Milky Way and Pegasus will automatically update the address to compensate for stellar drift. But since Destiny is constantly in FTL it needs a special address to lock onto while it is moving. That's why when the Destiny jumped to FTL and left Eli, Scott, and Chloe on the planet, they couldn't dial Destiny using the 7 chevron address because it was moving. That's the only logical purpose behind the 9th chevron. An object that's always moving in FTL will need a set of extra calculations (like the 9th chevron) to lock on to the stargate. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:59, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The temperature drop in the chair room Edit

Here, we can discuss possible implications of the extreme drop in temperature observed just before the doors to the chair room closed, & the frozen nature of the room when the doors opened again.

The only thing I can think of for which low temperature can be helpful is cryogenic freezing/primitive stasis. However, Franklin's body was missing, not frozen. Based on the known physiology of the human body, extremely low temperatures slow the rate of body function, including the firing of neurons in the brain. This would decrease Franklin's brain activity. The question is: would this be helpful or hurtful?

We know that when O'Neill used Milky Way repositories, the activity in his brain increased beyond what his body could handle due to the incredible & unsustainable amount of knowledge downloaded into his brain. We also know that the Destiny repository was usable by a modern Tau'ri human (Rush) only after a buffer was created to slow down & otherwise limit the flow of data into the user's brain. However, assuming he regained motor skills (physical functions) and/or full mental/thought functions, his ability to use them should be diminished by the extremely low temperature. How would this benefit him, then?

(I'm Dan) 00:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I bet they'll make up some nonsensical BS about the temperature drop. SGU (and the rest of Stargate) is really bad at giving real solutions to anything. I think he merged with the ship, and they'll "figure this out" at the end of the next episode. Theymos (talk) (Contribs) 09:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
But if the temperature drop wasn't neccessary, they wouldn't have put it into the episode, would they? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Just a thought, there is a opening just above the seat, where the light and the cold come from. Maybe some device came down and encased Franklin a cryogenic container. He was then moved up and stored somewhere in the ship. Maybe somewhere along the line there will have a "ghost in the machine" episode where the ship was wierd glitches and they eventually trace the problem to a room where they'll find Franklin in stasis, hooked up to a computer. EHStormcrow (talk) (Contribs) 16:38, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Makes sense --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 17:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Theymos, you either didn't watch SG-1 or weren't paying attention very well. Atlantis had far less scientific explanation (though there were less things that needed to be explained as such in the first place), but SG-1 did very well explaining itself in terms of scientific theories of the time. It is true that as we learn new things, some of the explanations in SG-1 will become invalid or outrageous. However, the writers did very well explaining the events of SG-1 based on the knowledge of the time. This is something that made SG-1 appeal to me over some other shows I've seen.
EHStormcrow, what purpose would the Ancients have for creating a cryogenic facility in the ceiling of the chair room? That's what doesn't make sense to me, as I'd expect such a facility to be located elsewhere.
(Dan again) -- 21:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps cryogenic storage was necessary for the Ancients for crossing very vast distances? Imagine the pilot sitting in the chair, getting the ship moving and then getting into cryo storage until the journey is over. That doesn't fit well with Rush'es experiment, he used the chair and nothing similar happened. However no one tried to direct the ship, Rush was trying to access the databaseOr, direct connection to the ship's systems can only be achieved by semi-stasis. So many possibilities! EHStormcrow (talk) (Contribs) 22:39, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
It might sounds either stupid or scary, the fact that temperature dropped in the room might indicate that the room was not protect when Destiny jumped to FTL and consequently incinerated Franklin, the machines were some how shield on their own since it's 'THE ROOM'.
No offence, but in my opinion, that sounds a little silly. How could have the FTL jump affected a part of the ship that's inside? As in, not on the outer part, but in the innards-ish. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 13:56, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
If he became the ghost in the machine, the temp drop may've been to get rid of his body. The soft tissues of a body would reach Absolute Zero before the objects in the room(like walls/tech/etc.)

Considering what happened in previous series (Atlantis, SG-1)Edit

It's not entirely impossible that Jeremy knew with ancient knowledge in his head he probably wouldn't survive, and he cannot ascend without help of Ancients, so he downloaded his consciousness into the ships computer. And somehow his body was destroyed in the process. I mean McKay had this kind of revelation to save himself when he was stuck with Ancient knowledge and near-ascension powers, it's also possble that similar thing happened to Franklin. Maybe he will come as the Destiny's AI kind of thing later, like in Star Trek. Think about it, Rush talking to computer say something like "Franklin, disengage FTL" is kind of cool.

"Open the Destiny's door Frank.",Rush. "I'm Sorry Rush, I'm a afrad I can't do that." ...Annnnnd, Rush is vented into space.

Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:55, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

LOL. couldn't help but to laugh at that. Computer: Dr. Rush, I have completed the scan. Rush: Don't call me that KITT, my name is now Knight Rider, but you can call me Nick Computer: My name is not KITT. -- But seriously, I think the best explanation that he transports himself somewhere(Ascension leaves clothes, and if he transferred consciousness, it should have left his body behind), perhaps to a stasis chamber. As for the temperature drop, I think it was his way of saying: "Get the f**k out of my chair room fags." Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 22:41, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

"Look, Rush, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you." ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 04:17, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Rush:"No you don't."
Franklin:"No I don't."
Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 17:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Gateworld PodcaseEdit

Last night I listened to the Gateworld podcast for Sabotage and they had a theory on him being sacrificed and actually becoming part of the ship - with the Ancients knowing that if they returned to Destiny one of them would have to do the same. My question is, what would be the point in such a system...? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:53, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Neural computer. Brain is very good processor --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 16:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Still doesn't really make sense... Destiny is doing fine at the moment and even with modern-day computers would be able to do everything it does now so with Ancient ones I don't see the point. And if they were that needing of a brain, they could just have Destiny clone one for itself... even we nowadays could probably do that much. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 21:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Computers lack compassion.


he's working with chloe to take over the ship and kill everyone onboard, and he disappeared using a cloaking device. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 11:04, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

At least then Chloe would have something to do :) Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

He's backEdit

I noticed this in the comments of GateWorld's article on the new SGU Comic Con trailer, someone pointed out that at about 1:56 of the trailer we see Franklin. I checked it myself and it's true. See here At least I think it's him Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 01:22, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

As certain Jaffa would have said: Indeed —AriesCZ (talk) (Contribs) 15:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
He's sort of back... He appeared as one of Dr. Rush's hallucinations. Or possibly as a way for the ship to communicate with Dr. Rush. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:26, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Funny to notice how Franklin has become the number one topic for debate and discussion. Unregistered 1:44 12.10.2010

Part of the ship Edit

Well, if what is stated in the article is true, then it seems that some of our speculations were true in that he was absorbed into the ship. But the question is why and what happened to his body. I wonder what the true purpose of that chair room is for. If you already have a bridge with full control over the ship, then why do you need that secondary control chair? Modern ancient vessels tend to be flown exclusively by control chairs, but Destiny seems to have more control from the bridge. Therefore, that chair room must serve some kind of different purpose. Dr. Franklin must've known this would happen. Come to think of it, why does Destiny's systems have to be so complicated? In the past, SG-1 and AR-1 have easily been able to gain full control of any alien ship very quickly. Even though the Destiny crew have control of the bridge and the master control, their control over the ship is still somewhat limited, such as the countdown clock. Even Atlantis was easy to control immedietly. And as for the master code, Colonel Carter and Dr. McKay both can easily crack any kind of alien code or encryption within a few minutes. Why was the Destiny Master Code so difficult to break? Anyways, I wonder if Dr. Franklin's conciousness still exists on the ship's computer. 06:13, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well we know why they had a master code - it's for security... other Ancient vessels used the ATA gene which pretty well prevented any Wraith or evil Asgard from ever getting control. As for the complexity of of the Countdown Clock and stuff, I have a few ideas, but none of them are really very likely so I wont post them. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:08, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
"Modern ancient" has a funny ring to it.
More to the point, you said "Modern ancient vessels tend to be flown exclusively by control chairs", I don't quite get your point. Sure, the times that we see Atlantis actually flying, it's from using the chair, but Atlantis also has a control room - a bridge, if you will - which controls a lot of operations that the chair could otherwise command; who's to say that all operations couldn't be controlled from the bridge? So, it's quite possible that the Ancients included both a control chair and a bridge in their later ships.
Secondly, since we know this is an earlier version of the chair (maybe it was the first version? After all it is supposed to be both knowledge repository and control chair) perhaps the Ancients didn't want to rely on a "new" technology to control the ship. QuicksilverTurin12 (talk) (Contribs) 03:17, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
I suspect that the control chair serves another purpose than just knowledge or control of the ship. If you think about it, the control chair is kind of unnecessary. The bridge seems to have more control over the ship and doesn't put the crew at risk either. Perhaps, the chair is used for something much different. Perhaps it's used to transfer information from the mind to the ship, rather than the other way (while the other way is still possible). Dr. Franklin was absorbed into the ship and has essentially become part of the AI. Perhaps that's what the purpose of the chair is for. To update the AI. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
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