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I would like to know why in the world they would even want to get on-board destiny. Surely telford made it clear to them that it's a one-way trip and the ship is falling apart. What kind of nutjobs would willingly throw themselves into that situation with a ship full of hostile forces.[[Special:Contributions/96.247.34.78|96.247.34.78]] 11:44, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
I would like to know why in the world they would even want to get on-board destiny. Surely telford made it clear to them that it's a one-way trip and the ship is falling apart. What kind of nutjobs would willingly throw themselves into that situation with a ship full of hostile forces.[[Special:Contributions/96.247.34.78|96.247.34.78]] 11:44, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
:in the milky way they were presumably being mercilessly hunted down by the tau'ri so they were desperate to escape. another possibility is that they didn't get all the facts and thought that they could simply get the technology and gate back out {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
:in the milky way they were presumably being mercilessly hunted down by the tau'ri so they were desperate to escape. another possibility is that they didn't get all the facts and thought that they could simply get the technology and gate back out {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

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I would like to know why in the world they would even want to get on-board destiny. Surely telford made it clear to them that it's a one-way trip and the ship is falling apart. What kind of nutjobs would willingly throw themselves into that situation with a ship full of hostile forces.96.247.34.78 11:44, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

in the milky way they were presumably being mercilessly hunted down by the tau'ri so they were desperate to escape. another possibility is that they didn't get all the facts and thought that they could simply get the technology and gate back out ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Clearly they know something more about the purpose of Destiny than the Tau'ri do Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:38, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
It's not completely one-way trip. One day they will return bringing some awesome tech --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 13:07, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

wow, how is the lucian alliance going to board the destiny?i thought some were already onboard and no1 else was gonna come on--99.141.187.4 16:18, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • Eh maybe they'll get there hands on a communications device and use that to infiltrate the ship.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 00:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • i sure hope they do. theyd restore order to the bunch of arseholes in destiny ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 00:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Based on the 1.5 trailer.... it looks like they come through the gate somehow... although I'm really not sure... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 00:48, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

frankly i wonder how the LA will become antagonized here. obviously the destiny crew cant take moral high ground since theyve demonstrated that they arent exactly angels. this could be another case of unintentionally sympathetic villains such as happened with the wraith. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 01:35, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
The LA discover another Icarus-type planet, capture Rush and they dial the Destiny. --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 21:23, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
I really hope some of them will stay on the ship and become part of the crew, I know that the production team of SGU hates aliens and probably wants to make it "real" by showing an entirely American perspective of the crew, but it would show some of the character friction that the producers love so its not the whole boring "scientists/civilian vs military" thing that has been going on literally since the Stargate movie itself. Maybe they wont include LA people though because they actually know how to rough it in situations like this, unlike the sheltered upbringings of most of the destiny crew that make them totally emo about their situation--99.141.193.117 13:39, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
That would be cool if some of them did stay, it's basically what the LA were planning to do with the Destiny crew (well, the civilians at least). But they would have to make sure they execute all the LA leaders publicly in front of all the LA personel to ensure loyalty. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:07, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
wouldn't executing their leaders just make them less cooperative? if there is nobody left alive that the average LA expedition members trust, then there would be nobody to order them to cooperate. They would probably then try to sabotage the ship at every turn, or escape off-world--99.141.187.4 16:18, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
The LA aren't like a military, as Rush said, they're a loose band of rogue traders and thiefs. They have no sense of loyalty to the Allience, or at least most of them don't, and therefore their leaders don't mean massivly much to them. If the Tau'ri can offer them a good deal and the threat of death if they try to betray them, then I think they'd be fine. This is why we need Greer or Spencer in charge :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 17:58, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
why are we assuming that the destiny crew has to win. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 08:43, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
Well because the only other alternative is that the LA take over and yet keep all the main characters (military included) alive so that in a future episode they can retake the ship. But from the end of Incursion P2 it seems unlikely that the LA will want to leave any soldiers alive. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Jack O'Neill and Daniel in this episode?

so what do Jack and Daniel do in this episode?

Jkirk8907 (talk) (Contribs) 06:00, May 12, 2010 (UTC) JKirk8907

Daniel wasn't in this episode, he was in previous. Jack was summoned to Destiny for some very spoilerous reasons --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 06:02, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Jack was summoned to Destiny last episode. This episode is just him talking to Young for one scene and commanding Carter in an earlier one. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

so why is Michael shanks credited as being in Incursion Part 1?

Jkirk8907 (talk) (Contribs) 06:14, May 12, 2010 (UTC)Jkirk8907

He was ther but only on video (Eli looked in mobile or something about Lucian Alliance before they got trought gate) --BobM-stargate (talk) (Contribs) 08:24, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
It's enough to count. That scene completely slipped my mind. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 16:28, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

oh okay thanks. Btw In the episode how is he credited? did it go like Special Appearance by Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson? Or what was the credit like? --Jkirk8907 (talk) (Contribs) 18:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)Jkirk8907

He's credited in the ending sequence, not the opening. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 18:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

ofcourse..it's never that easy, is it?

great.. they bring in an icarus-type planet only to blow it up again. why the hell did Rush help the alliance?

Because they would torture/kill him if he didn't. Such does tend to be a decent motivator, especially for a guy like Rush. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:24, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
He made a mistake thinking that guys with stones are not complete morons and will turn connection off any minutes after his kidnap --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 13:57, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
i think they are downplaying the sheer implications of destroying an entire planet. it permanently annihilates any organisms, ecosystems, or other natural aspects that are unique to that planet from the universe and i believe slings debris everywhere making things more dangerous as well as destabilizing celestial arrangements e.g neighboring orbits. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 11:09, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I was actually very surprised that they didn't disconnect the stones. I mean, even if they just did it for a few minutes to ask Rush what was happening, the stone would still have Telford's imprint so long as they only removed it with the cloth, so it would still reconnect to him if Rush said it was ok and interrogate him further. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Flickering shield

The first time we saw the shield fail and that LA guy get burned, did anyone else think it was Franklin doing it? I mean, obviously now we know it wasn't but I just wonder if any of you, like me, thaught it was at the time. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 00:33, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

My first thought was that they were facing the sun and the guy just got fried because the UV protection failed or something. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:42, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
One of the hosts of InnerSPACE also speculated that Franklin was doing it, and I really like that theory. Side note: After the finale next week, InnerSPACE is airing live with David Blue. So those in Canada should definitely check that out. Here's InnerSPACE online: here, only Friday's episodes are SGU related. Kal'el T | C - 07:10, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
I believe its him. Besides, when he vanished, he did something with jump countdown, and this time for some reason it is also acting differently than it should. -- TakeruDavis (talk) (Contribs) 13:27, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
It's not that, I've seen the next one and it's not that :P Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:47, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just watched the episode again and the first instance everything started going haywire was as Icarus Two exploded with the Stargate open, so it may have something to do with that. Kal'el T | C - 01:44, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Incursion plot summary

How did you guys get the plot summary when the episode isn't even out?

Is the episode leaked?

The Russian dub aired well before the English version. This summary comes from that. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:40, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Disappointing :(

I was really looking forward to this episode. This should be only the second time in the history of existence that a stargate connection has been made over such a mind-boggling distance, and for a show about stargates, I was expecting a grand depiction of the dialling and wormhole, and more importantly, perhaps some explanation to give us peace over the borked two points-of-origin gate used to dial from Icarus.

But no, we got crude editing to hide the gate, followed by bad science and logic: reduction of atmospheric pressure to knock out and/or weaken the Lucian invaders without killing them or Telford was perfectly feasible! (unless the atmospheric controls were stupidly all or nothing, in which case Telford/Rush's body was exposed to a proper vacuum and should have suffered more severe effects of barotrauma and ebullism (e.g., his body should have been expanded to double volume).)

The episode was also another win for television writers that like to misrepresent CPR. I love you Stargate, but I can't defend you when you don't make sense. 109.255.181.187 16:01, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

What's with CPR is bothering you? Also, I wondering why it is necessary to mention possibility of atmosphere venting? They could just say "Oh, no, we can't do it because we simply can't. Safty protocol bla-bla-bla --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 16:15, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
To correct myself, I've realised it couldn't have been a vacuum in Telford's room because we could still hear his final gasps before passing out (though it wouldn't be the first time Stargate portrayed sound in a vacuum indoors). But to CPR: firstly one doesn't do it without checking that the person actually is not breathing and/or has no pulse, unlike Young, who just rushed in and started thumbing the guy's chest. Secondly it needs to be combined with mouth-to-mouth. There were two people there so they could have done both if necessary. And lastly, CPR very rarely actually restarts the heart -- that needs a defibrillator. It doesn't magically make people wake up. 109.255.181.187 16:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Wizard revived him --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 16:43, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps he didn't actually die entirely, and CPR was enough to get something started again... I don't know how CPR works though. And they might not have vented atmosphere, just oxygen, or only vented it enough to render him unconcious but not to make him explode - ie. it wasn't vented entirely so there was still pressure. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:56, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
They were probably confusing shutting off the life support with actually venting the atmosphere. It took Teflord five minutes to die in a storage room and should have only taken one for the invasion forces. Obviously it's just a matter of using up the available air. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 17:28, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Eh, no. If you just switched off the life support it would take hours and hours to use up the oxygen and suffer CO2 poisoning in a room that size. If it happened in minutes, we would all suffocate in our own bedrooms at night. 109.255.181.187 20:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Unless your bedroom is airtight, there's ventilation still. No ventilation whatsoever and that process happens faster. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:41, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Well maybe they just replaced the atmosphere - pump air out and replace with CO2. I'm sure there is an explanation for this. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 23:42, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
About CPR, it's rare if not impossible for it to restart a heart. CPR is used to maintain the bodys blood flow, taking oxygen to the muscles and organs(at around 40% efficiency), until a defibrillator can be brought to the scene and used to restart the heart(As I recall, this doesn't always work, but in TV it always does). Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 12:17, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Lucian Door Unlockers?

If they've never been on the ship then where did they get those perfect fitting door openers? Did those doors ever make an appearence elsewhere in Stargate? Even if the Ancients used those doors how did the Lucians know that? Or did Telvord or someone else give the door mechanisms to them? GhostlyDeath (talk) (Contribs) 08:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Telford was on the ship --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 08:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

2 F-302 Pilots

was there any reason sam couldnt just beam the pilots out of their ships sure they would lose the fighters but keep the people92.7.7.126 09:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

They apparently flied into shielded zone --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 09:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Error in Plot?

Has anyone noticed that when the Destiny dropped out of FTL because the Lucian Alliance dialed the gate, Rush did not get sent back to his own body temporarily? Wasn't dropping out of FTL supposed to disrupt the link from the stones? Because in that case, Rush could've warned Colonel Young about gate travel disconnecting him or he could've asked someone to disconnect the stones. In which case Colonel Young could've vented the atmosphere in the gate room and end the problem with the lucian alliance. I suppose such a thing would be too convenient for the writers... General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:16, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

perhaps they fixed that problem. or perhaps it doesn't happen every time, maybe only when the ship is programmed to drop out does it interfere with the connection, maybe being forcibly taken out of FTL doesn't affect it. Perhaps an energy field is set up to take the ship out of FTL. rational people would think that there would be a difference. Escyos (talk) (Contribs) 02:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well, there has never been any confirmation that they fixed the problem. They don't even know how the device works to begin with. I doubt they could ever fix it. As for the Destiny being forced out of FTL, in the episode sabatoge, when the FTL drive exploded and they were forced out of FTL, the stones still got disconnected. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:16, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Or maybe you just didn't see it happen. They weren't focusing on Rush/Telford at the time, and the switch only lasts a second. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:57, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah but when Rush came back, he asked what happened and sounded like he came back for the first time. The episode didn't really show any evidence of the stones being disconnected. And even if it only lasts a couple seconds, Rush could still tell them to disconnect the stones. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:05, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Telford had overcome the brainwashing so young would have most likely of not vented the atmosphere. — A scotsman (T | C) 03:24, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
You're thinking too much into it. The time between the FTL disengaging and Rush going through the gate is negligible; minutes at most. Even if he had time to say anything, which a second or two is not, it didn't matter. Rush was confused because he suddenly ended up in his body after passing through the gate, and obviously didn't think that would happen. There's no error in the plot. Question answered. The FTL disengaged and the gate dialed on the spot. Even if they did turn off the stones, Telford would be in the room anyway, and Young would have held off all the same. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:25, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
But Young didn't vent the atmosphere because he didn't want to kill Rush. If he knew it was Telford that came through the gate and not Rush, then he probably would've vented the atmosphere. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 04:37, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Except he didn't cut the communication link because Telford would be shot as soon as the link was severed. Ergo, same problem. The only way the plot would play out different is if Young had been willing to sacrifice either Rush or Telford, and he wasn't. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
I think Young was willing to sacrifice Telford to kill all the Lucian Alliance members. Dr. Volker even said that Young didn't vent the atmosphere to save Rush. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 04:58, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Again, if he considered Telford worth sacrificing, he'd have broken the link. He didn't precisely because Telford would be killed (he says this out loud in no uncertain terms). The plot would not have gone down in any other way, period. Telford or Rush, Young would have waited. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:21, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Why wouldn't they simply Disable the gate to prevent them dialling in...

We know it's not hard to do... you only have to bury the gate or create the effect that it is burried. That is have a significant amount of matter in the centre of the ring where the event horizon would form... We know it can be done simply by off setting the iris a milimetre or 2. Sure they don't have an iris but it shouldn't be difficult to block the centre up with enough stuff to prevent a dial in.