Talk: Hyperdrive

Stardrive

Is the Atlantis stardrive not faster than all the known asgard ones? It is much larger and is designed specificly to channel the power of 3 ZPMs. The asgard ones were really built for one asgard generator, they may be able to travel from Ida in hours but pegasus is further away since the Asgard drive on the Oddyssey takes 4 days to get there at maximum power. Sman789 07:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

First of all there is no evidence as to whether or not Pegasus is farther away from Earth than Ida. Second, the typical Asgard hyperdrive is powered by 4 generators not one. Third, those generators have to be running at full power to send a ship to another galaxy in hours, which doesn't even put a dent in a ZPM. As for your original question: every indication has been given that the technology the Asgard installed on the 304s, apart from the Odyssey in "Unending" and what has since been refitted to the other ships of the class by the Tau'ri, was below par to what was installed on their own ships. The Asgard hyperdrive the stardrive is being compared to is the hyperdrive installed on the Odyssey in "Unending". If the Asgard hyperdrives on the Daedalus, Apollo, and the like is not up to par with those of the O'Neill-class (as has strongly been indicated), then who knows how fast the hyperdrive on the Odyssey would be with 3 ZPMs as it was already faster than any O'Neill-class ship with just one of them. —AscendedAlteran 18:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

If the asgard hyperdrive takes 4 days to reach pegasus but doesnt even put a dent in the ZPM then obviously it means that it is not capable of handling any more power then it used, so it must be slower. And even though the hyperdrive on the oddyessy may be slightly better than the one on the O'neill, theres only like 2 years difference between them being built so the improvement cant be that immense as to cut travel time by over 3 quarters. Sman789 23:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Your talking about power generation limitations not the hyperdrive itself. What I'm saying is that Asgard power generation isn't as efficient as a ZPM, so if an O'Neill-class had even one ZPM it would be much, much faster than it was even with Asgard generators and could probably reach Earth from Ida in under an hour (ignoring for a moment the question of whether or not Pegasus is farther from Earth than Ida). Your also overlooking the arguement made earlier about the 304 hyperdrives being less advanced than the standard hyperdrive on an Asgard ship before the upgrades to the Odyssey were installed, and your entire argument is based on the notion that the 304 hyperdrives are the most advanced the Asgard had at the time. Why would they be when the Asgard never give another race anything that might be used against them? If, for example, someone were to steal a 304 and use it to attack the Asgard, not only would the Asgard be hard pressed to defend themselves because of the advances they gave us, even w/out weapons, it would also be impossible for them to outrun one of our ships if they ever needed to retreat because we're using the same hyperdrives they are. This is of course overlooking the issue of efficient power generation. Let's also say for a moment that the technology behind the 304 hyperdrives were the most advanced the Asgard had at the time. They still would have needed to be adapted for Earth's vastly less efficient power generation technology, otherwise the hyperdrive would drain all of the power the ship could produce before it even opened a hypersdpace window. The adapted hyperdrives would have been designed to draw far less power, but at the cost of speed in the process. So even if something such as a ZPM were ever interfaced it would still travel slower than an Asgard ship. As for the advancement of the Odyssey hyperdrive, I'll concede that there might not be that much of a difference between it and an O'Neill's; but when you imagine what the hyperdrive of an O'Neill would do with a single ZPM, then make even the slightest improvement and add two more ZPMs, the "slightly upgraded" hyperdrive would then be capable of achieving speeds so astronomical that, when combined with the inertial stresses and tidal forces of subspace at such speeds, they might actually tear the ship apart if it traveled too fast. Wow, that was a mouthful. —AscendedAlteran 01:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

well actually, in the episode where the hives r headed towards earth and dr. weir gives the order to quickly fix up the daedalus and the orion in an hour to catch up to the hives, and weir gets called back to earth for a review. it says that an asgard ship takes 4 days to get to atlantis from earth watch the episode again, dr.weir says it to woolsey. and another thing, yea, its probably true that they were adapted to draw less power, but i'm sure they changed that for the odyessey. and besides, in unending, even if the odyessey was inferior to asgard hyperdrives, then it would've changed cuz the asgard gave the odyessey a complete make-over as they were gonna blow themselves up. its possible that the only reason the asgard needed 4 generators is because their generators had low power output. atlantis needed 2 zpms to lift off and enter hyperspace alogn with raising the shield. that was until rodney changed it but yeah. that was prolly the problem and the reason for 4 generators. one generator can't send enough power to their hyperdrive at once for it to reach tis full potential. —SupremeCommander 03:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You just conceded my main point: the hyperdrive on the Odyssey after "Unending" is vastly superior to other 304 hyperdrives. In the main article the stardrive is being compared to the hyperdrive the Odyssey was given in "Unending", while Sman789 is basing his entire arguement on the superiority of Atlantis' stardrive by comparing it with the Daedalus of SGA Season 2. What I'm saying is that yes, Atlantis' stardrive is remarkably fast when powered by 3 ZPMs, but I have serious doubts as to whether or not it would be faster than the Odyssey or an O'Neill-class ship if said ship was likewise powered by 3 ZPMs. And while I agree that a single Asgard generator would not allow an Asgard hyperdrive to reach its full potential, you still can't deny that the hyperdrives installed on the 304s, also central to his arguement, were not only specifically engineered to be slower, in order to run on less power, but also that the hyperdrive technology itself was outdated compared to that installed on the O'Neill-class. Sman789 also makes the arguement that Atlantis' stardrive is bigger than the Asgard hyperdrive of a 304 so it must be faster. However, that arguement works against him: the hyperdrives of the 304s were radically smaller than those of Asgard vessels. The hyperdrives of the Bilskirnir-class were so large that they had to be seperated into two different engines, and each of the seperated units were bigger than a 304; the O'Neill-class would similarly possess a massive hyperdrive unit, which would also have been far more powerful. So by his own arguement the hyperdrives of Asgard vessels are orders of magnitude faster than those of the 304s without even factoring in power generation, and so if that is followed through to its conclusion it would make the hyperdrives of even the outdated Bilskirnir-class capable of achieving speeds similar to Atlantis' stardrive. If we take it even further and the upgrades to the hyperdrive on the Odyssey were applied to an Asgard vessel that was then equipped with 3 ZPMs, there is no question that that vessel would make Atlantis look like it was standing still. And by the way, I just looked at the transcript for "No Man's Land" on Gateworld; there is no mention of either an Asgard ship or a four day traveling time. —AscendedAlteran 04:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Now, considering every arguement I have made, do you or do you not agree that, while incredibly fast, Atlantis' stardrive is NOT outright superior to the hyperdrive now installed on the Odyssey? In other words, I'm asking which you think would get to its destination first if both were traveling an equal distance and powered by 3 ZPMs of equal charge; or would it be so close you couldn't really tell the difference (hence the use of the world "comparable" in the main article)? Also consider a situation in which an O'Neill-class ship, featuring a hyperdrive upgraded with the same technology that was installed on the Odyssey, was traveling a distance equal to what a city-ship was and both were powered by 3 ZPMs of equal charge; which do you think would arrive at its destination first? —AscendedAlteran 05:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Well then how about a common one on the wiki, whilst it is proven that the atlantis drive can travel from pegasus to milky way in just a few hours, it is speculation that the asgard one can. It's like saying that the Goa'uld drives could do it with 3 ZPMs, and mabye they could, but we dont know so at the moment the ancient ones are fastest because we've actually seen them. Sman789 07:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The only problem with that is that we don't know how many hours it took for Atlantis to get to the Milky Way, and then it used the wormhole drive to travel the rest of the way. I say we remove the names of the galaxies and just say they can travel to another galaxy in blah, blah, blah. I also think we should keep the comparable bit instead of saying that one is downright faster than another, seeing as how no one can agree on which actually is faster. There are so many different factors to consider that we can't include them all in the main article. —AscendedAlteran 19:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok but there must be something saying that the ancient one is the one at least seen going the fastest, or possibly mention that due to the inferior asgard power tecnology, they require ancient technology for their hyperdrives to reach their full potential, otherwise were basicly saying they are eaqually as fast and theres no evidence otherwise. Sman789 19:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

all of u guys r saying that all hyperdrives r basically the same and the only difference is power= speed. no, its not. the asgard hyperdrives too have a limit on how fast they can go. whether or not the odyssey is faster than the o'neill is a different story. we don't know if 4 asgard generators = more than a zpm or w/e. the hyperdrive in the 304's were shrunk down in size and programmed to consume less power at once at the cost of speed.—SupremeCommander 02:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "shrunken down"... I don't recall that being stated. And about all hyperdrives only needing power... that was the case with the ZPM powered Hive EATG. Although... even with a lot of power, it needs to be upgraded to Intergalactic as apposed to interstellar. Although I'm not exactly sure... The ZPM hive could have upgraded its hyperdrive...—Anubis 10545 02:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

lost tribe hyperdrive

IT says under lost tribe that there ships are the only ones capable of jumping to hyperspace in a planets atmosphere, that's not correct there have been two other ships seen doing this first, was the orion when rodney made a jump from inside a hanger into orbit.the second was the replicator ship belonging to fifth jumped to hyperspace while in the atmosphere of orilla. —killamunk4life@hotmail.com 05:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't say they're the only ones that can do that. But, I've edited it to make it... clearer .—Anubis 10545 08:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)