Stardrive
Is the Atlantis stardrive not faster than all the known asgard ones? It is much larger and is designed specificly to channel the power of 3 ZPMs. The asgard ones were really built for one asgard generator, they may be able to travel from Ida in hours but pegasus is further away since the Asgard drive on the Oddyssey takes 4 days to get there at maximum power. Sman789 07:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- First of all there is no evidence as to whether or not Pegasus is farther away from Earth than Ida. Second, the typical Asgard hyperdrive is powered by 4 generators not one. Third, those generators have to be running at full power to send a ship to another galaxy in hours, which doesn't even put a dent in a ZPM. As for your original question: every indication has been given that the technology the Asgard installed on the 304s, apart from the Odyssey in "Unending" and what has since been refitted to the other ships of the class by the Tau'ri, was below par to what was installed on their own ships. The Asgard hyperdrive the stardrive is being compared to is the hyperdrive installed on the Odyssey in "Unending". If the Asgard hyperdrives on the Daedalus, Apollo, and the like is not up to par with those of the O'Neill-class (as has strongly been indicated), then who knows how fast the hyperdrive on the Odyssey would be with 3 ZPMs as it was already faster than any O'Neill-class ship with just one of them. —AscendedAlteran 18:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
If the asgard hyperdrive takes 4 days to reach pegasus but doesnt even put a dent in the ZPM then obviously it means that it is not capable of handling any more power then it used, so it must be slower. And even though the hyperdrive on the oddyessy may be slightly better than the one on the O'neill, theres only like 2 years difference between them being built so the improvement cant be that immense as to cut travel time by over 3 quarters. Sman789 23:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Your talking about power generation limitations not the hyperdrive itself. What I'm saying is that Asgard power generation isn't as efficient as a ZPM, so if an O'Neill-class had even one ZPM it would be much, much faster than it was even with Asgard generators and could probably reach Earth from Ida in under an hour (ignoring for a moment the question of whether or not Pegasus is farther from Earth than Ida). Your also overlooking the arguement made earlier about the 304 hyperdrives being less advanced than the standard hyperdrive on an Asgard ship before the upgrades to the Odyssey were installed, and your entire argument is based on the notion that the 304 hyperdrives are the most advanced the Asgard had at the time. Why would they be when the Asgard never give another race anything that might be used against them? If, for example, someone were to steal a 304 and use it to attack the Asgard, not only would the Asgard be hard pressed to defend themselves because of the advances they gave us, even w/out weapons, it would also be impossible for them to outrun one of our ships if they ever needed to retreat because we're using the same hyperdrives they are. This is of course overlooking the issue of efficient power generation. Let's also say for a moment that the technology behind the 304 hyperdrives were the most advanced the Asgard had at the time. They still would have needed to be adapted for Earth's vastly less efficient power generation technology, otherwise the hyperdrive would drain all of the power the ship could produce before it even opened a hypersdpace window. The adapted hyperdrives would have been designed to draw far less power, but at the cost of speed in the process. So even if something such as a ZPM were ever interfaced it would still travel slower than an Asgard ship. As for the advancement of the Odyssey hyperdrive, I'll concede that there might not be that much of a difference between it and an O'Neill's; but when you imagine what the hyperdrive of an O'Neill would do with a single ZPM, then make even the slightest improvement and add two more ZPMs, the "slightly upgraded" hyperdrive would then be capable of achieving speeds so astronomical that, when combined with the inertial stresses and tidal forces of subspace at such speeds, they might actually tear the ship apart if it traveled too fast. Wow, that was a mouthful. —AscendedAlteran 01:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
well actually, in the episode where the hives r headed towards earth and dr. weir gives the order to quickly fix up the daedalus and the orion in an hour to catch up to the hives, and weir gets called back to earth for a review. it says that an asgard ship takes 4 days to get to atlantis from earth watch the episode again, dr.weir says it to woolsey. and another thing, yea, its probably true that they were adapted to draw less power, but i'm sure they changed that for the odyessey. and besides, in unending, even if the odyessey was inferior to asgard hyperdrives, then it would've changed cuz the asgard gave the odyessey a complete make-over as they were gonna blow themselves up. its possible that the only reason the asgard needed 4 generators is because their generators had low power output. atlantis needed 2 zpms to lift off and enter hyperspace alogn with raising the shield. that was until rodney changed it but yeah. that was prolly the problem and the reason for 4 generators. one generator can't send enough power to their hyperdrive at once for it to reach tis full potential. —SupremeCommander 03:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- You just conceded almost every one of my points. In the main article the stardrive is being compared to the hyperdrive the Odyssey was given in "Unending", while Sman789 is basing his entire arguement on the superiority of Atlantis' stardrive by comparing it with the Daedalus of SGA Season 2. What I'm saying is that yes, Atlantis' stardrive is incredibly fast when powered by 3 ZPMs, but I have serious doubts as to whether or not it would be faster than the Odyssey or an O'Neill-class ship if said ship was likewise powered by 3 ZPMs. And while I agree that while a single Asgard generator would not allow an Asgard hyperdrive to reach its full potential, you still can't deny that the hyperdrives installed on the 304s were not only specifically engineered to be slower, in order to run on less power, but that the hyperdrive technology was outdated compared to that installed on the O'Neill-class. Now, considering every arguement I have made, do you or do you not agree that, while incredibly fast, Atlantis' stardrive is NOT outright superior to the hyperdrive now installed on the Odyssey? In other words, I'm asking which you think would get to its destination first if both were traveling an equal distance and powered by 3 ZPMs of equal charge; or would it be so close you couldn't really tell the difference (hence the use of the world "comparable" in the main article)? And by the way, I just looked at the transcript for "No Man's Land" on Gateworld; there is no mention of either an Asgard ship or a four day traveling time. —AscendedAlteran 04:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)