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Biology merged into the main article?Edit

Should the biology and culture sections be merged into the Goa'uld article? I mean the Wraith have everything in one article as do the Asurans. —Darth Batrus 12:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I suppose so. -- SFH 16:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Well I was thinking it's either that or say perhaps move all the biology related material to the Symbiote article. I only say this because I have gone a recent crusade to add references to all the articles and expand on them :) —Darth Batrus 11:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

JokeEdit

How do Goa'ulds order their Hamburgers???...... Ra (w).—Anubis 10545 04:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I've heard better :D


What did the goa'uld give to the Wraith at Christmas? ...... a Jaffa CakeElChristo (talk) (Contribs) 03:05, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

is that actually where they got the name? —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 03:48, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
It makes sense. Both Jaffa and Pastries are among the most evil things in the universe! Especially custard-filled pastries... although I imagine that a Jaffa stuffed with custard probably wouldn't be too happy either. I'm sure the larval Goa'uld inside would enjoy it though. :)
Seriously though... I have no idea. It would be interesting though. :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 05:36, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
looks like "jaffa" has a variety of meanings...—Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 07:37, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
Here in Sweden there's a kind of orange-flavoured soft-drink called "Jaffa". Me and my brother allways joked around about that by drinking it while watching and stuff =D

Plural form(s) Edit

In some episodes of the first and second season I'm sure that I've heard the term "the Goa'ulds" und not "the Goa'uld". (I know the difference between s and 's, so don't come up with this idea ...) I first recognized it in the German synchro version and thought that they first used "die Goa'ulds" and than switched to "die Goa'uld" but than I heard it in some of the original versions, too. Can anyone confirm that the plural form of this term was changed within the series? Conservator (talk) (Contribs) 18:33, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

It was indeed, though there's the occasional character or two that still says Goa'ulds later in the series. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 19:09, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Asgard as Goa'uld hosts? Edit

In the hosts section, it is said the the Asgard can be taken as hosts. While I believe this may be true, it references to Stargate, the movie. I've watched the original movie, the entire SG-1 series, most of SGU, Stargate Continuum and Ark of Truth and some of SGA but I haven't heard of this. II can't find any hint of the Asgard in the movie either(probably because the series changes quite a bit of stuff from the movie). Maybe the link was meant to reference to something in SGA because I've heard of Asgards that lived in Pegasus though I don't think there were Goa'ulds there.

In the original movie, Famrir was a host of Ra. It is unknown if this transfers to the series. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:46, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ah... I saw that weird looking alien but never realised it was an Asgard! Thanks Valos Cor (talk) (Contribs) 00:14, January 25, 2010 (UTC)Valos Cor

p.s. not sure how to reply properly he he

Came in to interject here. Famrir was not host of Ra in the movie. That is something made up by the series to explain the inconsistencies between the movie and the series. There was no such thing as a Goa'uld with the movie. No Asgard, none of that. Ra was an Asgardian looking alien, that's about it. He turned himself into energy and possessed the human. There was no snake implantation or anything of that nature because they did not exist.

What really makes the Goa'uld gods?Edit

Even though I have seen virtually every episode of stargate SG-1, there is always a puzzling question that I don't understand. Why is it that the Goa'uld are viewed as gods? one would think it to be the illusion of their technology, but most of this technology is operated by Jaffa who must know and understand its workings if they are to efficiently use and repair it, If they didn't then it would be logistically impossible to maintain an army (imagine a Nimitz class carrier where there are no technicians to repair and service the many problems that may accumulate in any used aircraft and there would be even more things to deal with in maintaining a space fleet) the goa'uld also obviously have significant industrialization and uniform manufacturing processes for their ships and weapons and it is likely humans who work in these assembly lines and shipyards, so how are they supposed to know how to produce these things, the magic of the gods?, or intricate technical assembly and specialized manufacturing. And then there are the goa'uld themselves, its not like the Jaffa who serve them don't know they are parasites (every one of them carries around one of those frikin things) so what sorts of divinity do the goa'uld ever show, they cannot be immortal without a sarcophagus (and the people who produce those things must know what they do and how they work) and hand devices are just another form of technology, just one that requires a specialized physiology (of coarse it never is explained how naquadah is introduced into a goa'uld's system but it has to be introduced somehow by somebody who must know it has a reason). the simple fact of the matter is that there are very few goa'uld (maybe about 150-300 in existance at any one time) and they need all of their servants have to fashion the instruments with which the goa'uld claim divine power. The possibility that all of these servants simply do not communicate with each other their individual responsibilities in creating and using the "magic of the gods" simply cannot be true. The truth is that goa'uld divinity is a thin illusion (especially amongst the jaffa) and surely more would have noticed that they cannot do anything "godly" without the technology others make for them, rather than rejecting their gods them simply because of their cruelty.--99.141.200.51 21:46, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

When it coems to Jaffa understanding the technology, I think the Jaffa have only a very basic understanding of putting parts together, but lack the knowledge of all the details of their workings, they just know how to operate things, and attach things, they dont really understand all the programing, the energy source, all that. They patch things up, can work with metals, operate the computer, but lack the knowldege of all the details. We often at least see one Goa'uld per Ha'tak, or fleet, in some cases, often there are multiple Goa'uld on a major Ha'tak. Many devices, like the hand devices, there is no evidence that Jaffa had the least effort into creating, this the Goau'd may do behind closed doors. All we really know that JAffa do is the basic metalworking, mining and operating of technologies. We might assume they assemble the larger peices of ships together, or the basic metwlorking side of the fold up helmets, but we dont see anything of them assembling the minute devices, the parts responsible for making it all work.
On another related manner, why did the egyptians consider Pharoah's as Gods, they were just powerful men born in a powerful family, yet worshiped after their deaths. Some great leaders in the ancient era's were considered God's by their men, or claimed to be. Its often just because they are so powerful, that they might as well be God's to the others, in the case of the Goa'uld they are far more credible then the original Pharoahs, they posses powerful devices, can heal the sick with a wave of their hand(and a small device), where A Jaffa cant, use devices no Jaffa understands, among many other things. They live for hundreds, even thousands of years, without the Sarcophogas to keep them alive.74.129.75.153 09:34, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
this is all known as "religion". —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 12:03, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
Yu's first prime Oshu commanded an entire fleet of Ha'taks without Goa'uld supervision and considering the very high betrayal rates among Goa'uld underlords it seems very unpractical for each Goa'uld to have a ha'tak--99.141.194.185 20:41, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Jaffa taught their children from the early years on that the Goa'uld are their gods, so maybe the logical thinking about the question what makes them gods never arises. Ideology is very strong when it is put into people in the early years. And we have to remember the fact that the Goa'uld are really professional brainwashers ... even Teal'c who knew that a Guld is no god but just a parasite being from somewhere's swamps suddenly believed all the religious crap after they brainwashed him one time ... there, so I think, are often critical minds who have doubts about the god state of the Gulds but they get denunciated by their Jaffa brothers and brainwashed. Or they keep their real believes secret and don't state it to others because they fear death ... the whole Goa'uld reign is based on religious fanatism and fear. / The same today: Why are so many Muslims ready to die for their "god"? Conservator (talk) (Contribs) 21:52, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

So do the Christian Lords Resistance Army in Uganda, but lets not point so many fingers--99.141.186.115 01:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Goa'ulds' own view of godhood Edit

A view weeks ago I watched an episode from (so I think) the ninth season where Ba'al tries to become head of the Jaffa Nation. In this episode he states what he and the other system lords just played the role of almighty gods. So there arises the question within me: Are the Goa'uld themselves aware of the fact that they are no gods and just fool the Jaffa or have they become so arrogant because of using sacrophages for such a long time what they really believe they are real gods? Ba'al seems to know he's no god but maybe this awareness came just after the Jaffa crushed down the Goa'uld rule over their people an the Goa'uld had to see by the hard tour that they can't be gods in the face of these happenings ... Conservator (talk) (Contribs) 21:42, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

This depends on which Goa'uld you're asking. Some believe their own propaganda while others do not. ¥ Super Novice Talk 2 Me ¥ 21:44, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

So what Goa'uld knew for example they're are just parasites and not deities? Are there any known who stated they're aware that they are just playing a role? (Before the Jaffa victory!) Conservator (talk) (Contribs) 21:55, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Before the victory no Goa'uld would actually admit they weren't gods. Ones like Anubis and Apophis believed strongly in being gods while Ba'al and Camulus not so much. ¥ Super Novice Talk 2 Me ¥ 21:59, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Goa'uld have naturally very arrogant and illogical due to their constant use of the mind altering Sarcophagus, and many of them have lived most or all of their very long lives being worshipped and trusted by massive armies of fanatic followers as divine beings, which makes it very hard for them not to believe that they are gods, in a way they are just as brainwashed as their followers. The way way they see it, If we are not Gods, Who is?--99.150.199.118 18:48, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

main goa'uld populationEdit

where does the majority of the common folk goa'uld reside, since the system lords are the ruling caste and the jaffa comprise most of the military, surely there are some remaining even after the system lords kicked the bucket, also what do the minor goa'uld do in the army/fleet besides being ashraks/underlords...e.g are there goa'uld crewmen on ha'taks —ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 08:18, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently not, the Goa'uld total population is very very small, Im guessing only about 150-300 in existence at any given time, Basically all goa'uld are System Lords, Underlords, Queens, Assasins or Infiltrators of some sort. Which leads me to wonder what exactly happens to all of the symbiotes Jaffa go through in their long lives, it may be possible that they just get dumped in lakes where they live the rest of their lives (A Goa'uld can easily live without ever taking a host) but we really dont see many huge ponds of mature Goa'uld around--99.150.199.118 18:38, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
Unless your on P3X-888 where there are a lot of Goa'uld. --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 23:22, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
What I meant to say was that there are between 150-300 hosted Goa'uld, the number without hosts may be far larger--99.141.194.185 20:34, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
surely thats terribly impractical, if all of them died then it would be a setback of unprecedented magnitude for them since theres no guarantees that new hosts can be taken ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 05:43, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
It is, Goa'uld do not like to share power when it is not necessary. This is why a lot of plans to destroy the Goa'uld revolve around killing a large number of them when they are in one spot and it is also why when one powerful goa;uld dies there are huge swaths of territory up for grab--99.153.32.53 00:01, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
well, there -are- millions of larval goauld in jaffa....ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 09:26, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Well, during the meeting where Anubis sent Osiris to reveal his existance, we saw that Goa'uld eat their own, which may happen quite often, perhaps many eat them even while not at these meetings. Creatures have to consume things made up of the same materials that they are, since Goa'uld incorporate Naquadah into their structure, they need to consume it in some form, this may be their chosen way of doing it, instead of injecting it into themselves. Also, the Goa;uld population on P3X-888, is not part of the main Goa'uld, they have been seperate since the others discovered how to use the stargates, and dont have the technilogical knowledge the others possess, or Naquadah in their structure. Their may yet be a few surviving queens out there, and their spawn, but they likely now lack support of a large Jaffa population, unless they've been totally isolated for a very long time.74.129.75.153 21:09, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
I've also been wondering for a really long time what the hell becomes of those Goa'ulds in the Jaffa. At only one point in the serries (as far as I remember, it's been a while) do we actually see a mature Goa'uld comming out of a Jaffa and entering a host (Children of the Gods). I don't really know that much about the underlords and so of major Goa'ulds either, we don't really see them that much, we mostly only see the system lords and their Jaffa. A theory I came up with is that the queen of a system lord produces a shitload of "empty" larva for the Jaffa to carry around, however they do say otherwise at several points in the serries, but my theory for that is that some selected Jaffa get to carry sentient larva, for example first primes. Also, about the Goa'uld on P3X-888, as explained in the episode when they're there, those are the original, unevolved Goa'uld, that do not usually take hosts and are more like predetorial fish. Bananas forever. 21:49, May 22, 2010 (UTC)Assmaster 3000
They consume the Goa'uld, the Goa'uld who are in power want to maintain a certain ratio, and only implant those symbiotes into people when it will improve their own power, Apophis's power was growing, and he needed a second to act as his son, and be an underlord to him, to lead a part of his forces, and some of his planets, same with his queen. However, having to many Goa'uld around is a threat to the Goa'uld in power, but they need them to keep their Jaffa alive and reliant upon the Goa'uld for survival, so they consume the symbiotes before they take hosts, and once they are mature and wont be useful to the Jaffa. One thing to note, every Goa'uld symbiote taken froma Jaffa and implanted in a host, whether by accident or design, like the Jaffa that was captured and used to give a symbiote to Adrien Conrad, this was kind of a random Jaffa. Kawalsky was taken by a symbiote from a random Jaffa. The Goa'uld dont really care about other Goa'uld, they only care about personal power and ruling everything, other Goa'uld/symbiotes are just a means to an end, or competition.74.129.66.59 00:01, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Then that means that when the Tok'ra said the the maid Goa'uld population was dropping for unexplained reasons, it was simply because due to the chaos of the time after Ra's death, that most system lords chose to eat more Goa'uld than usual and create less Underlords so that they wouldn't have to deal with them claiming huge swaths of territory and usurping their masters. (Apophis was probably an exception because he felt relatively secure in his position and felt that after retaking earth he would become Supreme System Lord and his underlords could have their fill)--99.141.192.32 16:23, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
I believe, there are more hosted goa`uld around. When SG1 told the Tok`Ra, that they were able to destroy apophis ships, the tok`ra said, they had spies on the ship too. Besid the systemlords and underlords there must be some lower-rank goa`uld that work as scientists (like Nerus) and manufacture ring-transporters et cetera (as Jaffa dont know much about the "magic of the goa`uld" as it is forbidden, they know only about how to operate them). Most of them would probably live/work on goa`uld-planets (not Jaffa-planets like Chulak, more like the planet Apophis went to after he found a host for his queen) were they live seperated from the Jaffa and humans, so they wont learn about their secrets. Some might also take care for planets, while the systemlords were somewhere else. sg2780.226.247.242 09:49, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Goa'uld strength Edit

Has anyone noticed that the Goa'uld are meant to have the "strength of many men", but every time they're involved in a hand to hand fight they always loose badly? Such as Cronus v Teal'c and Steven Caldwell's Goa'uld v Ronon etc. --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 15:30, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Both of whom are much stronger than ordinary men, and better fighters. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 15:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
i found that interesting too. i thought the symbiotes were supposed to give the host much more strength but in crossroads teal'c pwns the tok'ra until five of them restrain him. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 06:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
There is an explanation. The Goa'uld symbiote greatly increases a person's strength, however, it is still relative to the body of the person it inhabits. Also, Jaffa are supposed to have increased physical strength, Tealc is a very strong Jaffa. Ronan is a very strong, and skilled human, Caldwell, not a particularly strong person before the symbiote blended with him, but it did help him out a lot in the Ronan fight. Tealc did prove to be less physically strong then some Goa'uld as well, beating them not through physical strength, but instead with skill or exposing a weakness in the Goa'uld's fighting technique(Imhotep). Also, when Tealc had to be restrained, he was particularly full of adrenaline, and the Tokra were not, and it often takes a few men to restrain one man when that man knows how to fight, and they do not want to hurt the one they want to stop.74.129.75.153 07:12, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
This is true. This begs the next question: how can the Jaffa think the Goa'uld are gods when they can be beaten up so easily by a lot of people? I just thought of an example where a Goa'uld does beat a human: Jack O'Neill v Conrad's Goa'uld in Simmons, it owns O'Neill but then Teal'c kicks its ass. --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 10:53, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation Edit

I notice some characters pronounce the name "go-ah-oold" and others pronounce it "gould" (as in Harold Gould). Is this because the actors are unable or unwilling to pronounce it in the more "alien" way, or is it a stylistic difference accepted even among non-Tau'ri? GCapp1959 (talk) (Contribs) 02:25, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's meant to show that not every character is willing to make the effort to do it right (or cares to). Jack uses the latter most of the time because that's just who he is. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:32, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


Increased Intelligence Edit

It's mentioned in this article that when within a host a Goa'uld gives, among other thing, increased intelligence. I'm just curious as to how exactly this works. I've seen no evidence to suggest that the host themselves is smarter when they have a symbiote inside them (and of course generally it's not like they can talk to show off this intelligence anyway).


Of course given the Goa'uld are smart (generally) the occupied host may display increased intelligence but I always took it that was just the Goa'uld mind, and you wouldn't say that if the Goa'uld all had a great ability to tell jokes that they gave the host a sense of humour.


So first I wondered if the Goa'uld actually lack intelligence when they're not in a host. However I think that idea has been contradicted a few times (such as Crossroads). However does perhaps being in a host make the Goa'uld smarter by somehow using the host's brain? Would it then suggest that in a smarter host the Goa'uld could be smarter too? 58.110.177.71 01:23, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

the goa'uld gives the host knowledge by putting all its memories into the brain, but yeah i don't see how it would make the host more -intelligent-. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 15:07, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the Goa'uld gives any knowledge to its host at all - only what the host sees and hears himself doing or saying. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:08, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
jolinar's symbiote transferred most if not all of its recollections into carter during the brief time she hosted it. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 13:13, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but as a Tok'ra who was about to be killed, she probably did it intentionally. I don't think a real Goa'uld would want any of its secrets going into the head of a human slave. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:08, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Genetic Memory Edit

There's a point here I want to clear up.


On this article it suggests that "One of the unique factors of the Goa'uld race includes their genetic memory which provides each newborn symbiote the collective knowledge of all the Goa'uld that came before it". That said though, the 'Genetic Memory' article suggests that the "the Goa'uld are born with the complete memory of their lineage". While that would make sense, as I don't see how you could inherit the genetic memory of someone not in your lineage, perhaps it means the sentence in this article needs to be rewritten to be clearer. Not all Goa'uld who came before the current one will be in their lineage. For example, your grandfather's postman came before you and yet he's not in your lineage (unless your grandmother was up to no good).


Also, in the 'Genetic Memory' article, it says that the Queens pass on all of 'their' memories to their offspring. Presumably though she also pass on the father's memories too (and there must be a father involved at least sometimes, otherwise Apophis wouldn't have had a son). If not, then only the genetic memory of Queens would be passed on. Therefore, only the daughters of Queens who were Queens themselves would be able to pass on genetic memory. That would mean that no one would actually inherit the genetic memory of a male Goa'uld, even though the Goa'uld in Teal'c posessed Cronus' memories.


So this should probably be changed too. 58.110.182.64 06:36, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

symbiotes are genderless, anyone of them can become a queen. Their gender is often derived from their hosts gender. sam was surprised when martouf told her, jolinar was "female". Jolinar always had female hosts before she had to take a male host to hide from ashrak, thats the only reason shes a "she"--SG-27 (talk) (Contribs) 17:11, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Extinct? Whats left of them? Edit

Urm... Are the goauld dead as a race? Or have some survived? Also, not related, but when the ancients camr back to earth, was Ra in control of the planet?58.163.175.134 10:35, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

1: No, they are very much alive (not to mention the Tok'ra), but their positions are gone and all the system lords are dead, so what's left is propably a number of minor Goa'uld's in hiding.

2: We don't know, possibly, but there isn't a definitive timeline that I know, someone else might know. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 14:10, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

When SG-1 traveled back in time it is possible that they told Ra not to return to Earth, or that when Ra saw the ancient ship he was afraid to chalenge it, or SG1 clamed to be the ancients and clamed that Earth was under the protection of the ancientsOberoth20 (talk) (Contribs) 22:31, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

They did no such thing as they were killed during the Rebellion and in that timeline Ra took the Egyptian stargate with him rather then leave it, setting up that alt timeline. Ra never saw or knew about the ship they used as it was cloaked then destroyed when they had first tried to escape back to the present hence they were stuck in Ancent Egypt and started the early rebellion.Citrakite (talk) (Contribs) 05:01, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

A Weird Experience: Transfer Human Consciousness in a Goa'uld Symbiote? Edit

First, I apologize for my very poor English (I am French), I think my question is a little off topic but I will ask anyway. this is for possible future fanfiction. Here is the question:

Is it be possible to transfer human consciousness, a dying man for example; in a Goa'uld symbiote (a Goa'uld symbiote who has no conscience, like the children of Egeria on Pangar or symbiote of kull warriors), thanks to Asgard Ancient or machine. is what it will be biologically and technologically possible?

Luke Saint Sophia (talk) (Contribs) 15:54, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

An interesting idea. We know it's possible to exchange consciousness between 2 humans (or humans and jaffa), as we've seen Ma'chello's device do it. I really can't say if the same would work of a symbiote though.
Actually, that brings up an interesting point: How is a goa'uld symbiote able to be sentient when, physically, the brain inside it is no larger than that of a regular snake? Does the goa'uld only become intelligent after interfacing with its host's brain? If so, if you were to switch bodies with the actual symbiote, who knows what kind of consciousnesses would be left in the human body. Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:44, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

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