If this 304 ends up being the sixth one completed and the Sun Tzu the fifth... I just think its strange how they would change their order of completion. Although I guess it's possible in the Alternate timeline, the Sun Tzu could have existed. I just really hate the name Sun Tzu... Although I do like how they named a ship after Hammond... Although I still would have liked a 304 named Phoenix.—Anubis 10545 17:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

dude, so do i. sun tzu is a stupid name. dang, i mean comon. they shoulda named it the phoenix and then "The Hammond" not "General Hammond" it just sounds kinda weird—SupremeCommander 20:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. "The Hammond" sounds much better.—Anubis 10545 00:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
There may be facts to be amended once the final version of the episode comes out. Traditionally, a person's rank isn't included in the naming of a vessel, so it could be they reshot this scene and had Amanda (Carter) say "The George Hammond". Who knows. I don't mind the name as is. The best way to have played things out, in my opinion, would have been to not introduce the Sun Tzu at all (though I don't mind that name either, being an Asian man). Rather than introduce a fully functional ship out of nowhere (that apparently came off the production line faster than the Phoenix), they should have finished building the Phoenix and sent that with the Apollo. The Phoenix would be crippled (though not out of the picture entirely, because the Sun Tzu isn't out of the picture yet) then they could have introduced a brand new ship in development, called the "General Hammond" or "George Hammond" or whatever. No renaming, no surprise ships, just the sixth ship in development. As a matter of fact, there's no evidence that the Sun Tzu was a 304, though that is the most likely scenario, they never mention what class ship it is. —Ka'lel 01:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

ACTUALLY, come to think of it...In the episode, replace every instance of the word Sun Tzu with the word Phoenix and vice versa and every single problem is solved. The Phoenix exists, has been established, so we care when it's crippled. Then instead of Sheppard asking "Oh, you mean the Phoenix?" it would be "Oh you mean the Sun Tzu?" (Sun Tzu introduced). Samantha: "Actually, it's been renamed the 'General Hammond'." (Sun Tzu renamed). That way, no magically appearing 304s, we care that the Phoenix has been crippled, and the Sun Tzu is the ship that gets renamed. Everyone's happy. —Ka'lel 01:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did it get renamed? This sucks! What's the point of my Username now. Personally i think the phoenix should be the next ship that comes out. - User:Phoenix304
    • I agree... User:GeneralHammond304 :) —Anubis 10545 01:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
      • Lol I love that User:GeneralHammond304! Well, there's always the off chance that the next 304 will be named Phoenix. Unlikely, concidering Universe probably won't show many 304's. But, it's not impossible. -User formerly known as User:Phoenix304 lol

Given that name I'd say the Sun Tzu is probably a Chinese ship, possibly one we gave them like we were forced to give the Russians (would explain why the Phoenix or General Hammond as its now called wasn't first) as for the name, it was a tribute to Don S Davis who died of a heart attack shortly before Enemy at the Gate was shot.--User:WarGrowlmon18 07:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

they called it the george hammond because the actor that played him DIED in real life and he was a loved actor, look at shepperd's face when sam carter said "it's called the general hammond" i think the line was adlibed by her and was not in the script.

asgard core?

did they make a new asgard core and place it on the phoenix/ going to put it on the general hammond? or was it simply moved fromt he odyssey?

they should put it in someplace not suspicious and give it asgard sheilding...like they should've done to area 51!!!!!!—SupremeCommander 19:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

They still have it on the Odyssey. They probably duplicated the core or made something similar to it.—Anubis 10545 01:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


On this link from Gateworld is an image, in which is a screen in the back that says "USS General Hammond"... kind of :) ... possibly meaning it could appear in SGU... possibly... —Anubis 10545 17:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)



Are you sure that the George Hammond is a Daedalus class? The pictures at the bottom of the article seem to point that direction, but the article's main image doesn't look like a 304 very much at all to me. Is it possible that we are dealing with a new class? --Undomesticatedequine69 20:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

All those images are from The Last Man. Technically, they're of the Phoenix (which is a 304 based on the dialogue of that episode). However, as shown in the image below, it is in fact a 304. Also, in Enemy at the Gate, Carter states that she will be given command of the next daedalus-class ship, which she states is the General Hammond (changed to George Hammond based on the same image below)—Anubis 10545 21:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Another name change?


I don't know the source for the above image, but as Anubis10545 said above, in EatG, Carter says it's named the General Hammond. NOW, the SGU premiere would seem to indicate the name has changed again, to just the U.S.S. Hammond. When Eli Wallace first arrives, Rush welcomes him to the Hammond. And most importantly, Carter's badge reads U.S.S. HAMMOND.

Suggest we move the page to Hammond and refer to the ship as such. Thoughts? Cheers. -Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 06:41, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna say that we go with the full name being George Hammond because the plaque, and the screen behind Eli when he was beamed aboard, which both say George. Although they never stated it specifically as George, but Hammond could have just been an abbreviation, probably because "George Hammond" wouldn't fit on the patch on Carter's uniform.... it's a long name! Lets just leave it as it is "George Hammond" for now... although I will admit that they don't make this easy for us, do they :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 06:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
You are absolutely right. It's out of focus when he's beamed aboard, but it's very clear in the background when he's watching Daniel's instructional videos. I didn't see that before, good eye. Cheers. -Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 07:03, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Why could it not defeat the Hataks, I mean are not all 304's equipped with plasma beam technology? Considering it only took a few shots of beam technology to pierce Ori motherships, surely it would not even need a full strength single shot to pierce a puny hatak! Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

This has been discussed here. Moloc.svgKal'el T | C - 15:34, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

George S. Hammond

Finally finished the George S. Hammond link fixes. And unless I missed some (and including user pages which don't really matter), there are exactly 500 pages that link to George Hammond. Craziness. Moloc.svgKal'el T | C - 22:50, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


How can you know if the Hammond has asgard plasma beam weapons? because they did why didn't they use them against the Ha'taks in Air part1, if they did use them they would had cut through them like butter. Alex1442 (talk) (Contribs) 17:55, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they used them but they didn't show it on screen. Maybe they were damaged. That is not to say the Hammond doesn't have them. In the alternate timeline, the Phoenix had them... and the Hammond is still a 304-class ship. There is no reason why its design or weapon systems would differ from any other 304. In that way, it could be more speculative to say the Hammond doesn't have plasma beams than to say that it does. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 18:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
i highly doubt that the ha'taks would still be alive if the plasma weapons had been used ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 02:29, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
The Ha'taks aren't alive, they were probably to buisy getting themselves killed by shooting at Icarus base for the Hammond to get around to finishing them off-- 02:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
what i meant was that they would be insta-killed if the hammond had used the overpowered beams ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 04:07, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, we dont know that the newer asgard weapons are extremelly powerful compared with previous Asgard weapons, such as what this sight calls the "ion gun". The plasma weapon may simply fire a single strong stream instead of a series of pulses like the other one, and fire a different form of energy(plasma instead), so it fires roughly the same amount of energy, perhaps slightly greater over time. The key to its effectiveness may in fact be that its a different energy that shields such as those on Ori ships are not as effective at absorbing. Sometimes better weapons, and defences, arent more powerful, just more effective. For all we know, Goa'uld shields might not have gained a lot of "power" instead they may have become more efficient against "Ion" weapons of the Tollan and Asgard, and remained as effective against other forms of weapons as they had been. Ori ships could have been similar and just extremelly effective against most forms of energy, just not the latest Asgard "plasma" weapon. 08:34, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Problem with gouauld shielding is fact that it is an oscilation barrier- it´s blinking. Such shield requires far less energy to sustain but have zero to none chance of stoping a sustained beam (as Apophis´s mothership proved against replicator cruiser). Ori/ancient/Asgard shield is there all the time. But you can see that sufficient ARMOR (super-hive) can withstand it fine. So it might be possible that Ori warships did not have decent plating (why would they? their shields were more or less impenetrable before Asgard plasma beam (even drones were destroyed on impact- otherway alternative Earth which actualy came under attack would not have problem) and crutial systems seemed exposed)
Given that Hataks were designed to fight to the end I think they are well armored even without shield so that beam has actualy trouble of penetrating it. Better question is how do those beams pierce shields... (my money would be on some kind of phaseshifting but that is speculation.--Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 17:18, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Actually the beams don't appear to penetrate straight through shields, they strike the shields. Hataks struck by The tollan ion cannons in Pretense did not appear to have any shield contact, they may have bypassed shields, but later during [between two fires] the weapons were innefective, as the shields were improved somehow. The only time Asgard [ion gun]s were fired, during a show, on a Ha'tak, they were inneffective we dont know what they did to former Ha'tak, if they bypassed shields or not.. During the time they fought the Ori, they struck the shields 3 times before they struck through to the hull. After a few more shots, the ship was destroyed, this was in their first encounter with the Ori ship after it was upgraded. I dont have the Atlantis DVDs, and cannot veiw the complete series online, to search through to find the episodes they fired on shielded ships with the beam weapons. I cannot recall them firing past a ships shields. It seems that they just fire a different form of energy/particle weapon (some form of plasma). More effective, but its unclear how their firepower is compared to former Asgard weapons, but we can presume its stronger in a few ways, such as being effective against Ori shields, who appear impervious to all other weapons fired on them, except the Ori motherships weapons. I bet they could take on Ha'taks, but it may involve a few shots for each, we dont know how effective Goa'uld armor is either, rail guns didnt do much to them either when shields were down, it could be nearly as tough as Standard Wraith Armor(without the ZPM allowing them to grow additional). 02:28, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
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