Just so you know, this image from Mallozzi's blog says Divided will be episode 11, which is the most reliable thing we have so far. Mind you, the other nine titles on that picture aren't confirmed yet, and the last two are obvious hoaxes, as well as being posted on April fool's day. -- Matthew R Dunn 14:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Hopefully it doesn't get moved or renamed. —Ka'lel 23:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Did anyone else really hate Rush and Chloe at the end of the episode? Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 11:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Divided Edit

I bet by this episode, either Rush would have some how returned to the Destiny, or the Guilt chewing away at Young would have gotten him to admit him attacking and leaving Rush for dead. Now, the Divided part will probably be that there would be two sides now, Young Supporters, who would probably be 99% military, and the Rush Supporters, who would feel that Young is now too unstable to lead the Crew.

similar to the situation on Earth now Edit

i am so sick and tired of the military telling everyone what to do. they are nothing without the civilians and the scientists helping them. if all the civilians said "no, we are done. you figure all of this out. we are not helping until you relinquish control of the Destiny.", they would be finished. I am upset that Eli is on Young's side. things would have been a lot worse if Rush crossed the line and let Young and the other guy die out there, so i am happy he stopped before crossing the line.

So you're basically saying that the only power that the military has on Destiny is that which it gains through demanding it, the sanction of the victim. Young would've left Chloe for dead, just to get rid of Dr Rush, there is no good or evil on board, there are allies and enemies. Ironically Dr Rush saved Chloe (someone who hated him for being partly responsible for her father's death) when he had the option of being concerned for his own survival. Vae Infectus (talk) (Contribs) 02:15, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

i wish this episode turned out differently. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

I agree... now what's that have to do with the article? :P Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 18:04, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Why do you support the civilians? Camille is a more or less meglomaniac and Rush is just a dishonest and selfish man. Young, however, is a born leader and a good man. Yes, he was mean to Rush, but he is sorry for it and knows it was wrong, and even when knowing that Rush had the tracker in him, he decided to let him live and do everything possible to surgically remove it. Even Rush thaught he would have killed him which is why he wanted a civilian government who he thaught would be less likely to kill him. Besides, a cililian government is totally incapable of running a military vessel which is frequently attacked (ie. is in a war). There needs to be a situation in a place like that where those with experience and knowledge are in charge of those who do not know what to do. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 20:39, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

it just goes down to my belief that the military just makes things worse. this ship has survived for millions of years on its own. it has powerful shields. remember, Young's tendency to just attack all three vessels would have gotten them killed.

Young trapped in his illusion of knowing what to do. He never was in such situation before, but he actually believe that what he doing is for the benefit of all. Well-intended extremist, they call it. Sort of. --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 20:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Young probably only advocated the use of the weapons because he figured that Rush was trying to push his own, misguided agenda... which could potentially put the ship at risk. After Eli confirmed that focusing power on the shields was a good idea, Young agreed that it was as well. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 20:56, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

":I agree... now what's that have to do with the article? :P"
please do not engage in talkheader nazism here especially since the talk pages can be used as general discussion pages unlike in other wikis. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 01:31, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, this discussion isn't that bad... it did kind of stray from the point at the beginning. Seems like the writer of the first comment used military and government interchangeably... maybe. But, it kind of relates to the episode... although it mainly expresses an outside political view... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:57, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
i know, i just don't like people acting like the talkpage discussion has to be about maintaining article itself when its quite a clear policy on this wiki that they can be used for general discussion. ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 02:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

hmm, don't u think Rush would be right in situations such as this because a lot of you people think that Rush only thinks of himself. he is like Rodney McKay imo. wouldn't u be pissed if the people that mattered wouldn't listen to you? in fact, General O'Neil put Rush in charge first. why the hell is Young in charge? he isn't even supposed to be there. The mutiny was seen coming a long time ago. and Rush being on the side that he is on was inevitable. i agree with the first poster. the thing is, the military always thinks they have the right to order people around, like they did in this episode. it is always the scientists that come in and save the day. —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 02:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, without the military there wouldn't even have been an Icarus base or Stargate program for that matter. But also, the civilians would have died long ago if not for the determination of the military personnel (SCctt and Greer) on the desert planet in Air, Part 3. I mean, the scientists that went to the desert planet ultimately left for another world... never to be heard of again and leaving those behind them without the lime they were supposed to be in search of to fix the life support. As you see, in that pivotal instance, the military personnel saved the day. I mean, it's their job to protect people. I'm sure that the scientists could do ok on their own... but not exclusively. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 02:14, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
  • I honestly think Rush was lying about that. Also, if it was true, it was at a point when Young was incapacitated so it may have only been a temporary command.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 15:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Granted, I do think that smart people should be in charge (... kind of why Obama sucks...) but being billions of light-years across the universe and facing powerful threats changes things. Rush should get off his pedestal and learn to work with the military... as to get the best of both worlds... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 02:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Its a battleship, they aren't commanded by civilians never, that would be considered piratism nowadays, so no military rule is the correct one they have to have all power on the ship when it comes to battle cause if a civialian was at the helm the ship wouldn't probably survive thats why they are commanded by the military. i think civilian rule is wrong because they will never do what has to be done and on land it may work, but on a battleship not, I think Wray is an extremely unpleasant but also an extremely weak person if she leads the ship they would probably end up dead before the end of the season.

Exactly. I mean, why do the civilians on Destiny demand a more civilian-run democracy when all other Earth ships are military run. Why do they think their situation merits other measures. On Icarus Base, the civilians had to answer to the military (as it was a military complex on another planet where harm could come to them). What makes Destiny any different from that... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 17:25, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
I think the difference here is that those militaries were controlled by the civilian governments. Young made it clear to Telford and O'Neill that he was in charge of Destiny, not them, so basically he can do what he wants and is a total dictator. Camile was part of the IOA and so should have had authority over Young as part of a council, but now that Young is basically not taking orders from the Air Force or the IOA he is in total power and Camile isn't used to that. Other civilians probably dislike his dictatorship too, just because it is a dictatorship, even though it's probably better than it would be if Camile and and a council were in charge. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 17:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well, O'Neill actually kind of made it clear that Young was in charge: (as per O'Neill saying in "Earth"... :You're in command of that ship... it's not a democracy"). O'Neill actually wanted Young to assume complete control, but Young refused and first wanted to take up the issue of the IOA's rescue plan with the rest of the crew. Mainly, it just seems like everyone just needs to learn to work together and loose personal agendas. And Young may sort of be like a dictator... but it really isn't that terrible of a thing given the situation. Plus, Young seems like a fairly nice guy who only wants what's best (opposed to Rush and Camile who only seek power for themselves)... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 17:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think Rush's problem is that he wants power for himself, but Camile's sure is. Rush just has few morals but I don't think he is as power hungry as Camile. Young is the good guy though and if I were on the Destiny then I would be on his side, along with Eli (hopefully). Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 18:35, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Young used force to disperse peaceful protest. First prize. --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 19:04, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

  • That's not a peaceful protest that's a Mutiny. You know what they do to mutineers??? They shoot them. Young would have been well within his rights to throw Rush and Wray out an airlock after that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 19:08, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
They could take full control, sacrifice Young's life in precess then turn off life support on military side and kill them all and that's what I would call mutiny --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 19:11, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
um, why don't they use the communication stone to put a more capable leader like o'neill or woolsey in charge? clearly nobody on destiny wants to be there so they could be back on earth while the said leader takes care of things on destiny ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 19:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
I doubt anyone would volunteer to inhabit someone else's body permanantly like that. Oh and by the way: they couldn't have cut off all life-support on the military side even if they'd wanted to: the military had control of that remember??? If they were doing a peaceful protest they wouldn't have forcefully seized control and tried to force the military to surrender and submit to civilan authority.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 19:36, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I'm on Wray's side. Young proved himself as totally lame leader. They need to do something about this --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 19:52, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

the alliance of the lucian sort will save everyone with a)superior leadership or b)a common threat ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 19:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think Wray is a hateable character, Young just reminds me of any other military man, Wray is anoying as hell and whiny I know they're sorta in a bad situation but common a whiny leader, Young is calm and doesn't show what he thinks of the situation he is a great leader because he gives people hope Wray is the most anoying character and if she was in charge I would tottaly loose it even if I were military I mean common she would never sacrifice herself to save soemone she would run and push everyone to the side, no one has to die but a commander should go down with the ship or at least fight back till everyone escapes if something happens Wray would be first on the shuttle. Peacefull protest give me a break they took the airmans gun a locked them up I get the taking of the gun but at least take the bullets and give the gun back and don't lock them up that would be peacefull and yet they armed themselves, I sorta wished that the airman would panick and just put a round into Wrays head.

  • Your right about Wray. Remember back in Light??? When Young threatened to take her out of consideration for the shuttle she begged him not to, almost crying.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 16:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't want Wray to die because she's a really good character on the ship, but yeah I really do hate her :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:33, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I hope that there will be speech like "You idiots make already some sort of council whom everybody will trust or we all gonna die" by one of the few reasonable persons left aboard. --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 19:21, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

No, there has to be entirely military rule. Civilians should, of course, be involved but all power should be with Young... and I'm sure it always will be Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 20:01, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wray was right. It is the civilians who are in charge. The military takes orders from the civilians. The president is not a military man, some used to be in the military but they are out when they run for president. military there either. HA! chuck Dr. Rush out of the airlock. then everyone will die. WHat these fcking ppl need is a council. it is hilarious cuz in school, i am reading Lord of the Flies. same situation but with boys on an island. They need a council, it would solve everything. it was my thought from the first episode. a council consisted up of Rush, Wray, and Young. that way, all sides are represented. but no. this is what is causing the problems. no civilian wants to be given dumb orders from the military. who started the violence in a peaceful protest? the fcking military, thats who. wat the hell? take the bullets but let the military dude keep the empty gun? that is so stupid. he's lucky they didn't shoot him. and Chloe even wanted to bring them food. this was a completely peaceful protest. hell, they didn't want to hurt anyone. they risked it all by saving Young and Scott. Eli is prolly only on Young's side cuz he thinks that if he goes against young, his mom will be cut off from help.—SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 02:35, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

oh, i forgot. Destiny isn't a battleship. what gave u that stupid idea? it is an exploration ship equipped with everything it needs in order to survive in unknown territory. —SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 02:36, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

  • All this situation - Rush's fault, 'cuz he dial the Destiny;
  • Rush set Young up to get control;
  • Rush lied about Icarus type planet (to everyone);
  • Rush lied about tracking device;
  • Franklin in coma - Rush's fault;
  • Rush works for him self, not civilians, and have no intentions to return to Earth;
  • Wray work for IOA, not civilians;
  • Franklin in coma - Wray's fault;
  • they risked it all by saving Young and Scott, Rush put Young and Scott in danger, and help them only under preasure of Eli, Chloe and Wray!!!
  • military get sand (Air);
  • military get water (Water);
  • military get cure (Time);
  • Eli WORK for USAF;
  • Destiny IS an exploration ship, but expedition IS NOT;
  • Only mission: Get everyone back to Earth;
  • O'Neill put Young in charge;
  • sure, military need scientist help, but why scientists have to be in charge? Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 09:23, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

chloe is obviously working for the NID and/or the Trust ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 10:47, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

exactly, the expedition currently on destiny are the wrong ppl. tey didn't sign up for this. Rush is i think the only one who is supposed to be there. Young was asked to be in command but he said no. thhe problem here is that nmo one asked for this. Rush chose destiny because it was there one chance of getting there, so he took it. why the hell did Eli even mention using the earth symbol..

scientistrs should be i charge because they r the ones who know what to do. who knew what they needed? the scientists. the scientists r the ones who knew everything. without em , the military would have no food, air, or water. no shields and weapons either.

and another thing, we can go in circles about whose fault it is. rush dials destiny but eli told himm how to do it. they found the address in atlantis, whose idea was it to tgry and get there? who made icarus base, who wanted it done? why didn't the ancients mention when the point of no return would be? it will never end. the problem is that they r there and need to work together but it will never happen with this division. the prioblem is that the military doesn't want to give things up. hell, the civilians even thought the military was hoarding water.. its crazy.

rush set young up to get him to resign. Wray was to become leader both times. rush realized that if young and sciott were killed, it would be the point of no return. he didn't know that the dockign clamps would stop working. he never ordered anyone to sit in the chair. it was obvious that rush knew it was potentially fatal. we till don't know wat it did to him, might i add. for all we knew, it takes a long time to take effect. franklin might wake up one mornining and say, okay, let me put in the master code before breakfast and then we can charge this baby up and dial earth. or something like that.

are we watching the same show, and situation is Rash's fault, cuz he made decision to dial Destiny while order was to dial Earth, he send civilians to Destiny! and sign your posts Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 14:05, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about a pecefull protest if a groupo of people protest, for example closing of a school and 2 policeman are sent to just keep an eye on them and there are like 30 people and they soround the 2 policeman who of course don't have an order to shoot and because they don't want to be beaten up they give up they're guns now the protestors have 2 guns and they have the policeman hostage, they bariccade in the school and start to make demands, what will the police do send in swat of course and if the situation is bad they will go in with an autorization to use lethal force, Young had all the right to just shoot Wray on the spot , although his men were already free he didn't know it yet so he had to asume that 2 of his people were taken hostage by armed terrorists (thats what it can be called ) so his ROE was to shoot all hostile persons on sight, that's what I would have done, he obviously didn't do it because he was afraid of loosing popularity, which if you think about it wouldn't happen the military are on his side already and when the others learn that Wray put them in danger during an alien attack by not knowing a damn about combat situations would be too. Also I think its strange how everyone forgot that they're great and all knowing leader was the first one to put her tail between her legs and run as soon as situation got bad, like that wouldn't happen the next time, it would be like this we're under attack, get the shuttle ready, but we can't fit everyone on it, who said anything about others I'm going.

[[[[Young was going to get the destiny blown up! fire the weapons! take on three motherships at once even tho we got pwnt by one just a while ago. oh yeah, he is a way better commander than Rush. Did u see what happened? did u? Scott went through to the other side and opened the door. thats why they had to lock em up. like Wray said, it was inevitable that the some poeple would be stuck on the wrong side of the line. stop being so provincial. they did what had to be done. and this will never be over. not until they get home, and it is obvious that they will get home cuz it is a show. i suggest u read "lord of the flies" by william golding. it is a similar situation, boys stuck on an island alone. there was no vote on leadership. none of these people want this. u can't just expect everyone to be okiay with Rush, they didn't sign up for that. like i said before, Rush is the only one who is supposed to be there. and i'm sure there was going to be something similar to the chain of command on atlantis. a military commander and a science commandere and a medical commander all collaborate. there was to be no different overall commander like Dr.Weir for destiny.

that is what all of u need to understand. there HAS to be a VOTE. but no. Young is too stuck up to see that. Rush did what he thought needed to be done. no one was to get hurt. and then young does something drastic like stranding Rush. oh and i couldn't sign my name bfore cuz i wasn't on my personal computer—SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 23:05, April 16, 2010 (UTC)]]]]

A council of sorts would be the best solution(civilian, scientist, military, medical), but it would only work if someone would put a bullet in Wray's head. Chloe would be a better civilian representative. Young was a good leader in the start, but he's beginning to wear out under the pressure. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 14:34, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Rush supposedly being put in charge by O'Neill Edit

I know some could argue that Rush was supposedly put in charge by O'Neill, but I seriously doubt that actually happened. In the extended version of Air on the DVD of the show it showed O'Neill's meeting with Rush and he was PISSED at what Rush did. He only calmed down near the end and told Rush to get everyone home. I SERIOUSLY doubt he put Rush in charge.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 18:09, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, it was more like he said that as Rush was a scientist and, naturally, a scientist would come up with the solution given the nature of their situation. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 18:49, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
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