Talk: Battle of the Super-hive

I'm going to go into crazy detail with this article. MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD. Do not read, unless you want some of the best moments of the episode spoiled. And Merry Christmas. —Ka'lel 16:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh that's rude... what about Kwanzaa and Hanukkah. Just kidding :) —Anubis 10545 17:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

A question of Strength: Listed in "forces" of the infobox was the Antarctic outpost. While it does still exist, it was never used because the chair had been moved to Area 51 where it was destroyed. Should it still be listed under forces? —Ka'lel 18:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I also cited "Rising" as a source for the fact that usually Wraith dial a planet's Stargate and maintain an active wormhole to prevent their prey from dialing out, though I'm not sure that's the right episode. Cheers. —Ka'lel 18:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

where did u guys watch this episode? and nice thingamajiger.. can't find the word lol. well it was dum that they didn't bring o'neill in to use the chair to destroy the hive be4 it attacked area 51.. it was pretty stupid. and another thing, how did the wraith from the alternate reality find out about the move? and more over, how did it get money lol—SupremeCommander 21:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

@SupremeCommander: Read the Background notes sections of "Vegas" and "Enemy at the Gate". Also, if I remember correctly, O'Neill isn't very good at the control chair unless he's under the influence of the Repository of Knowledge. I don't know how the alternate reality Wraith knew about the chair's move to area 51, but he made money by gambling and using his mind reading abilities to win a lot of money. Easiest way to make tons of money and stay hidden. —Ka'lel 22:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the thing about the chair, O'neill has the gene and on the episode where they find the time jumper he is shown to be very capable with ancient mind technology. He could easily have blasted the darts and the hive in seconds to oblivion. Mabye they just didnt have a Zero Point Module powering it but just wanted to keep it safe until atlantis arrived to give it another one seeing as it had 3. The only stupid thing is how Carson fired one drone at a time when the city should be more than capable of firing a deadly swarm all at once like on Lost City P2 and on Vegas where they blast the upgraded hive to pieces. Sman789 22:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

There are a whole load of questions that get raised by the destruction of the chair platform. Not only why they didn't have someone capable of operating standing by at Area 51 at all times - what use is a defense platform if you have to wait several hours for the operator to arrive - but why such an important installation wasn't shielded. They have Asgard shield technology, a ZPM, and access to the US power grid. Creating a shield capable of withstanding a couple of dart impacts, over something as small as the chair platform, should have been easy. Not to mention, since they've had access to the totality of Asgard knowledge for nearly two years, why have they not deployed any ground-to-space beam weapons, or even orbital defense platforms? Surely a static weapons platform ought to be much cheaper and easier to build than a 304. As soon as Earth gained Asgard weapons technology, I'd have thought a crash programme would have been implemented to upgrade the planetary defenses. For that matter, what happened to Merlin's phase-shift device? We know that it can be used to shift the whole planet - it's been done before by Carter herself, albeit in a parallel reality.--78.33.73.67 16:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

All very good points. The chair not being properly shielded could be explained by its recent move to Area 51. But I have no explaination as to why there wasn't someone standing by with the ATA gene or why they haven't implemented any other defenses yet. In regards to Merlin's device, I can only say that sci-fi shows often "forget" about technologies between episodes. Stargate has been a bit better in that respect, but you immediately reminded me of a series of "Eureka" episodes. In one episode, a technology is invented that allows people to successfully walk through solid matter. Two episodes later, two people are trapped in an underground installation and the entire episode is spent figuring out how to get them out, and the previously mentioned technology is never once brought up. It's just something that happens in sci-fi shows. —Ka'lel 18:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

As I understood it, the "main" reality earth never had that fancy power grid linked to a51. They did however have a zpm, which is a lot more powerful. I agree about the poor defences, lack of sheilding etc. As I've said before, that entire episode was just one massive goof. I even think it should be decleared non-canon. Thomsons Gazelle ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 12:52, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

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Where did you get these spoilers. How did you get them.

SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME. IM GOING NUTS. I FOUND VIDEOS SPOILING THE WHOLE EPISODE ON YOUTUBE. they would never release the info or video. How did people get it.

People are able to download those episodes as torrents. The episodes themselves were leaked to the internet.—Anubis 10545 05:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The eps were released as so called "screeners". Screeners are copy's of a show or movie send to the press for them to review. This allowed us to watch the eps in DVD quality weeks before they officially aired, but the downside of this is that all the CGI work on the eps was still temporary, meaning that it still needs work. One example of this is when the Super Hive is firing on Atlantis' shield; the impact noises don't coincide with the visual impacts.

Kenny

Hey who killed Kenny during the battle and how???

I already answered this question. Cheers. —Ka'lel 06:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Drone Firing Rate

For those of you out there that are wondering why Beckett didn't launch a swarm of drone weapons, this is my crack at an explaination. So far the only people who have been able launch a drone swarm is O'Niell and Shepard, both of which have extensive military experience and are by far the best at opporating ancient technology, in their shows. Beckett didn't have the training, the only thing he had going for him was that he was the second best person at the control chair. The other reason is power. The ZPM's were likely severely drained once Atlantis used the wormhole drive. As everyone knows it takes a lot of power to fire drones, that's why a few modified naquadah reactors could barely keep up with the control chair. If Atlantis had the power, Beckett would've been able to maintain orbit and fire the drones at the same time. In the end it was a combination of Beckett's lack of experience and Atlantis's lack of power that contributed to Beckett only being able fire the drones singularly.-Railgun88 23:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I was in the middle of typing roughly the same thing when I saw this. Nicely put. I'd also add that I think people are underestimating the power of this Hive. Think about how exponentially the hyperdrive was increased in power, and apply that to the healing power of the ship's hull. When Beckett begins firing at the ship, AR-1 inside experiences the tiniest of jolts before they continue on. And while they're fighting the Warriors in the gateroom, Atlantis is firing all along. You'd barely notice from inside the ship, and I dont think it did any damage was done to the internal systems by the drones at all. —Ka'lel 23:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

In order for the ship to shake there must have been temporary damege to the intertial dampeners, drones dont make that bigger explosion to knock a ship that big with the dampeners intact. And the chair would have been able to fire a swarm because he fired enough drones in total to make a small swarm suggesting there was enough power to do it, and seeing as the Shield when they first started firing was not having to hold back any wraith weapons it would seem as though the ZPM would be able to exert all of that power at once (as it wasnt really doing anything else.) If he had fired a swarm the combined energy of the drones could have "burnt" through the hive and destroyed it, its the whole reason the ancients used drones instead of energy weapons against the wraith, and probably one of the reasons the wraith didnt see much point in building ships like this to fight the ancients when they had access to a few ZPMs. Sman789 23:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

no, its more of a problem with power output. with using the wormhole drive, it probably drained one zpm. one of the reasons for the ancients not using it. then, atlantis' shield was under strain because of the wraith blasts. at the same time, they were trying to keep the ship from falling to the ground. remmeber, it takes 2 zpms normally to fly atlantis so, at the end, carson only had a little bit of power available to fire drones. he had to power to fire a swarm, its just that there wasn't enough getting to the drones. —SupremeCommander 01:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That could be the truth because as we all know atlantis was not build to do space battles how much someone would have liked it to be. meaning that whilst it sits on the ground it probably could have taken the hive no matter the ZPM as it would not have needed the dampeners and could just have been seen firing along.

but its a show in the end and most things don't add up correctly so, because the shield is said to be impenetrable so long as their is power but we can see that some damage is done to the interior. NH-obi 10:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Supremecommander, I had addressed all your points in the post you replied to. To answer the question fully I will recite the two properties of ZPMs and Ancient SuperShields which we know.

1. ZPMs have both a total capacity and a total output capacity per fixed time peorid. The first is how much power they store, and the second is how much can be output per fixed time period.

2. SuperShields, when under no stress, use very little energy to maintain.

It is shown that many drones were fired in total, so the ZPM's total remaining capacity of energy (even after the WD journey) was enough to power all those drones. The hive didn't fire at Atlantis until after Atlantis fired its first set of drones, and it wasn't in declining orbit until after the Wraith had pushed it there. So the ZPM's total output capacity per whatever time peorid that could go to the drones would be all the power used in the drone swarm against anubis at the end of S7, minus the small amount needed to power the idle shield and the lights and life support. Compared to the TOC of a ZPM, these functions use near to no power as evidenced by even the first earth ship being able to easily do them all at the same time. So therefore it is unlikely that the ZPM could not have supported a massive concentrated "Drone beam" to cut through the hive ship and kill all the baddies. Of course, all this assumes that they only had one ZPM left. Do we even know that for sure? Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 11:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

They still had all the ZPM's if you listen to sheppard at the end of the episode he says "even with the ZPM's" this means theres at least 2 and i can't imagine it taking more power than a ZPM as The Supergate is almost the same size as atlantis and they usee almoost the same principals.

Battle Name

Is this seriously what the battles called it seams a bit long?76.105.233.104 03:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I came up with this battle's name as no "official" name for any battle has ever been released. The name of every battle page here (with the possible exception of the Battle of P3Y-229) is chosen by the person who started the article. And regarding this battle's name... well, what else are you going to call it. There's really no other name that would work.—Anubis 10545 03:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

why not Battle of Earth ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 01:11, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Skaara's and Aphophis' attack? —Supakillaii ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 14:14, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anubis's attack? - 109.224.128.171 07:56, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

if we were to get technical, it should be Battle of the Zero Point Module powered hive ship ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 01:05, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Icarus Battle

There will be more battles in SGU soon enough. Though I don't think we really discussed the criteria for connecting battles on the wiki, the way it seems to have worked itself out is:

1. By series. SG-1 battles are all connected, SGA battles are all connected, but they do not intertwine or lead into each other. Or...
2. By the "good guys". SG-1 battles involve SG-1 (the team), SGC, or others of that like. Atlantis battles involve the Atlantis expedition.

By these two criteria, the Battle of Icarus can be the first in a series of battles/skirmishes involving the Destiny crew. I think that makes sense. Cheers. —Ka'lel ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 07:50, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

publicity

surely the public knows something is going on because of all the activity above earth, some amateur with a telescope could probably see atlantis or the hive ship, plus of course the darts actually go into the atmosphere ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 01:11, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly... how are the phones at the SGC not constantly ringing off the hook. I wondered how they could launch Prometheus from Nevada without anyone noticing... it seems like giant floating objects would be more noticeable. —Anubis 10545 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 01:37, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone brave enough to open their mouths will just be called a conspiracy lunatic. Jauh0 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:10, January 29, 2011 (UTC)