I wonder why they didn't just use their Asgard plasma beam weapons to destroy those Ha'tak.—Tau'ri 21300 (talk) (Contribs) 00:04, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Like I said in some post somewhere: Maybe they didn't have any. The Hammond is a relatively new ship, maybe it's not battle ready yet. Whatever was the case, the fact is, the three Ha'taks blew up the planet and everyone was forced to retreat or evacuate. My only question is why the Ha'taks knew enough about the Icarus project/planet to attack it, but didn't anticipate that by firing at it, the planet would explode, resulting in their own deaths. MolocKal'el T | C - 03:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the ships weren't destroyed. Somehow I can foresee another event like when the sun exploded and sent all those ha'taks to the replicator galaxy - or maybe they were on remote control so no-one died. As for the beams, maybe they don't work on Goa'uld ships, or maybe the LA took them out before they could raise shields, or maybe there was a spy on board who disabled them. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:08, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
What I don't get is why the ground forces couldn't defeat the attacking gliders and troop transport. They had several F-302's and several railguns and machine guns. During the Wraith attack on Atlantis, they were able to hold their ground using those same weapons, and they didn't even have F-302's during the attack on Atlantis. SG-1 managed to take down several gliders by themselves before without giant railguns and F-302's. And even if the Hammond didn't have Asgard Beams ready, it should still have enough firepower to at least destroy 1 of the 2 Gould Motherships. It still doesn't make sense why the Hammond didn't use Asgard Beams. During the Wraith attack on Earth, the Hammond was supposed to be battle ready meaning Asgard Beams. And even if it didn't have the Asgard Beams then, by the time Stargate Universe began, it should've had Asgard Beams by then. Why would Homeworld Command use an incomplete ship to escort a US Senator? Shouldn't they have used a better ship like Oddysey? And to skip ahead a bit, during the Lucian Alliance attack on Destiny, I don't get why the Earth military performed so poorly against the Lucian Alliance. SG-1 themselves managed to take down way more Jaffa warriors than those Lucian Alliance soldiers. Same with AR-1 whom took on way more Wraith soldiers than those Lucian Alliance forces. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:11, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Malozzi said in his blog that the Hammond did fire beams, but the Lucian Allience had upgraded its shields to counter them. Perhaps the new beams are a little like the Tollan Ion Cannons; incredibly powerful at first, but once you adjust your shields they become absolutely useless. As as I was arguing over at Talk:Resurgence, not all weapons are brute-force weapons. They rely on some flaw in shielding technologies to get to the hull but, once that flaw is closed, they're as good as a throwing bricks out of the airlocks. Of course, I assume the beams can do some damage - just not enough to blow up a mothership in the few minutes they were above Icarus. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:05, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
As I've said, I personally think that it was rushed to service, since it was only weeks between EatG and Air, and some systems, including the beams, were offline. It really makes more sense, in my opinion —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 18:43, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
But the Asgard Beams are supposed to be a Brute Force weapon. As you could see, they are highly effective against Wraith Cruisers as well as Ancient Aurora Class Battleships. Not to mention Ori Motherships. To make a Gould Shield powerful enough to resist the Asgard Beams would mean that Gould Motherships now have shields that rival the shields on Atlantis. Thus making Gould motherships the superior ship in the Stargate univserse. Definitely more powerful than Destiny. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 20:12, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Let's not bring the Destiny argument here. All I can say is that Malozzi said that the Hammond was firing weapons - it may not be set-in-stone cannon but it takes priority over any speculation we have. This means that Lucian Alliance shields can resist beam weapons. As for why they're good against Auroras and Ori ships - both were built for the specific purpose of fighting one particular enemy with specific weapons. We know Auroras didn't have the most multi-purpose Ancient shields as the forces Destiny could withstand in the star were almost certainly greater than those the Orion could only survive a few seconds of in Inferno - but they do seem pretty good at resisting Wraith weapons as they are designed to. Ori ships are also stripped-down to the bare minimum necessary to fend off the weapons that the Ori are aware of us having - with ascended knowledge the Ori could almost certainly have devised shields which could resist plasma beam weapons, but didn't because it wasn't necessary as far as they knew (we're pretty sure they can't see Ida). The reasons for both are clear - efficiency. The Ancients weren't up against any Asgard beam weapons when fighting the Wraith - but did need to produce as many ships as possible in the shortest space of time, so why bother with shields designed to resist plasma beam weapons or the coronas of stars? And the Ori ships had to be built in the shortest time possible with only villagers and priors to construct them, so there was no room to add pointless extras. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 02:31, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

If the Ori can't see Ida, then how were the shields of Ori Motherships able to resist the pulse weapons on an Asgard O'Neill class ship? Also, how were Adria's sheilds able to resist the Dakara Superweapon? And as I've said, Asgard Beams are definitely a Brute Force weapon based on how much damage they do to unshielded Wraith Hive Ships. It takes a very thick hull like the one on the Wraith Superhive to resist an Asgard Beam. Therefore, Gould Shields no matter how adjusted they are, can't resist brute force weapons like an Asgard Beam. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 17:41, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
I seriously hope that they didn't make the beam weapons fully ineffective. That would be so lame, but LA is seriously lame, so it's possible, but I don't like it. I mean, their first weapon so far that has been shown to effective against shielded ships, and the writers go and ruin them. At least they should give Earth more ships to lever the ground, but nooooooo, Earth has 5 ships, all useless against these lame LA fags who somehow outsmart the Asgard. Somehow they turn a row boat into a battleship by adjusting the paint? Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 19:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Destiny Edit

So everytime you wanna dial Destiny, you got to blow up a planet. I wonder who thought of that. Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:56, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it just keeps the audience happy and the story going. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| No more siggy... 04:46, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Taking a second look Edit

I know that this discussion has been done to death, and maybe this point has already been made on this page. But I think that the writers' decision to make the Lucian Hat'aks resistant to the beam weapons not only cheapens the whole plot of SG-1 and the Asgards' sacrifice. It just makes no damn sense.

It just makes no sense that the Lucain Alliance, a band of human rebels and drug smugglers, would really even come to power in the first place. Even with the rebellion of the Jaffa. It makes more sense that those ships would go to the Jaffa instead. But that's not my point.

When the Anubis managed to enhance the shields on the Ha'taks to resist Asgard weaponry, he did it with the knowledge he gained when he Ascended. Even then, his ships were unable to face the more advanced weapons on an O'Neill class vessel. If that is the most that Ascended knowledge could manage, then how is it even remotely feasable that the Lucian Alliance could adapt to the absolute most advanced weapons the Asgard ever created. Even the Ori's ridiculously overpowered shields were easily overpowered by them. So how could the Goa'uld ships even be capable of being enhanced to that level. -User:Phoenix304

  • I mean was it really necessary to say that the beam weapons weren't effective anymore? Why couldn't the writers just say that at the time, they hadn't been installed on the Hammond yet. Or that the Hammond was somehow caught offguard and the beams were knocked offline. That would have presented its own issues, but it wouldn't have at least not completely undermined the Asgards sacrfice. - once again User:Phoenix304
  • I agree with your point, it's stupid and just shows that the writers hate the previous SG shows. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 13:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I read somewhere that because the radiation created by firing the beam weapons would destablilize the entire planet so i think that was why the Hammond never fire it's beam weapons. I just don't buy the whole LA upgraded their shields to the point of withstanding the force of a beam weapon. remember the aurora class vessel. newest ship in the Ancient fleet when left the Pegasus galaxy could only take 6 shots from those weapons before being wiped out. So the radiation may destabllize the planet reason make sense the most

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