Talk:Ba'al

So... you know how Ba'al destroyed a star so that he wouldn't lose a territory? Why wouldn't he just do that with Earth? When he went back in time he could have just blown us up so that we wouldn't be a nuisance. Or he could have not gone back in time to get stabbed by his wife and done it after the Asgard died. Either way, he probably would have complete dominance over the galaxy if he did. --Undomesticatedequine69 23:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

-I don't think that Ba'al would of wanted to destroy Earth or the Tau'ri, he liked living here too much. He was more like an agressive business tycoon on Earth than a system lord, an inter-stellar playboy, if you will. Jento113 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:00, March 4, 2010 (UTC))

I agree, that basically sums up Ba'al in his entirety: "an inter-stellar playboy" albeit one with super-maniacle alien technology and the cunning intellect to use it--99.141.177.103 01:36, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

where did he get the asgard technology to grow more ba'als with? can it be presumed and added that he was killed by the ball-shaped aschen weapon in the alternate timeline? did yu catch ba'al before he got to his base? how did all the ba'als get bounced around the galaxy so quickly? why didn't anubis suspect ba'al was up to something and throw him out of their alliance? ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 06:45, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

He got the Asgard technology from Anubis, who downloaded it from Thor's mind, while he didnt get thors complete knowledge, he did get some. The basics of cloning tech could have also been developed by a variety of races, and even on Earth, though he would require tech from somewhere else to mature the clones, perhaps the Nanites that Goa'uld have used, or some other technology. Anubis likely knew that Ba'al was not wholy faithful, but Anubis knew nothing could stop him, and allowed ba'al to do whatever, because it would have cost him more men if their fleets had battled it out, making Anubis's plans more difficult. Ba'als clones, travel around quickly because the gate system is instantaneous, I dont know what you mean, Goa'uld Ha'tak's also are very fast, 32000 times the speed of light, perhaps you could clarify. He produces them quickly, using one of many forms of technology, which could have been acquired in the milky way, or from Thor's mind, accelerates the growth, through one of many means, perhaps nanites, and then scatters them around. What aschen weapon? He was killed by a sword, in the one he created, and shot by a gun in the one mitchel created. Are you guessing that in the 2010 timeline that biogenic weapon wiped out all goa'uld. We dont know what that war was actually like, they dont say, Goa'uld are resistant to disease so that weapon might not have worked, for all we know, they could have created, or mass produced the symbiote poison.74.129.75.153 09:04, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

...you didnt find it very funny?ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 09:32, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get what is so funny :|--99.153.32.53 23:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

ba'als...balls...get it? ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 02:47, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I didnt find them all that funny, perhaps we miss some of it because its in text, but.. Looking back, yes, I can see some of the joke, but then only the first one was good, the other ones, dont really work that well. Ba'al jokes have been done before. Maybe Yu should have put more effort into them.74.129.75.153 07:56, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

maybe the annoying orange could do something with them ;p ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 09:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

At any rate, Im glad that ba'al was never squarish and one dimensional but turned out to be a well rounded characterized bad guy who always played his schemes with good sport--99.141.182.145 20:59, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

he died like a punk though, surely there couldve been a more dramatic finale than having the symbiote sucked out of his hosts head ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 18:54, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

maybe this isnt the end for ba'al, I do find it kind of odd that this ba'al walked to his death so willingly, which is why it may be possible that the goa'uld ba'al is really never was the real ba'al at all and it was really his host who was the egotist megalomaniac! one of the reason's i've seen is that isnt it odd that the sexist ba'al would have a woman as his Lo'Taur, his backup host! it is possible that ba'al, ever the realist did not care where his symbiot went if he bit the big one.--99.135.144.28 23:48, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't his host a vegetable?

I don't get what they meant when Vala said she would help ba'al's host cope with not having a goa'uld. he shouldent have any consciousness at all because he's a clone, there is absolutely no realistic way to replicate the memories of a person using only DNA. The Asgard who ba'al learned to make ba'als from, even incapable of replicating a clone's consciousness without downloading it from the last clone, and even if they were capable of doing this, why would ba'al wan't to replicate his clone's consciousness. Unless there is something that we don't know about ba'al and his host's relationship, this presents an odd question (maybe his host was really the hand behind the throne the whole time and the symbiote was the weak willed servant!)--99.135.144.28 23:43, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

His goa'uld had a copied conscience so why wouldn't the host

Goa'uld have genetic Memory, humans do not. Any child of a Goa'uld would possess all of that Goa'uld's memories, however, not just any Goa'uld can produce a child, they generally need a queen to reproduce, unless they use their host to father a human child. I think for Cloning, it was a basic tech, but one Goa'uld never really applied, they dont have to have taken it from the Asgard. I'm thinking that its one of two things... a hole in the movie, something they didnt think through... Or, its a thing where he only had trace memories from having been blended, mostly like the mind of a child, who would have been developing. Unlike Asgard bodies, which are incapable of becoming truly consious until having a mind transfered into it, a human body would develop a mind, he shouldnt recall his original bodies pre-blended body though.74.129.66.59 08:15, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

...Well he must have transferred his conscious Asgard style which by extension would include his host memories, and presumbably a powerful amount of insanity. Otherwise that would lead to a whole host of issues, just off the top of my head: The harcesis(sp) storyline would be even sillier, the cloning doesn't even make sense since it's really just cloning the host anyway, if the goa'uld are already such clones of each other the plan was suicidal given goa'uld nature and/or Ba'al shouldn't have even needed to bother since his children would have worked just as well; their secrets, as well as those of their rivals, would be no further away, and always had been than a jaffa pouch & an unlucky host. In short installing Ba'al vSystemLord2.0 includes the host, and installing Ba'al vDay1BasicGoa'uld (or more exactly vQueenX1.0) is what the genetic memory gives you. (and is all any sensible goa'uld would want walking around anyway). That is the host isn't really remembering his own memories he's remembering Ba'al's memories of his memories. Trippy. 174.52.155.125 13:34, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Original Ba'al

I have a question: I don't know if they ever address this in the series or the movie, but when in Stargate: Continuum the real Ba'al went back in time to 1939 to change history and build his empire, wouldn't there have been another Ba'al there who was originally from that timeline? A Ba'al-from-the-past, or something? 84.30.162.51 05:45, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Future Ba'al no doubt killed his past self (choke on that, causality!). — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:01, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but how did he not get erased??? I always figured he locked his past self up or something.--WarGrowlmon18 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 14:19, December 16, 2010 (UTC)