Talk:Asgard

Asgard Core

Couldn't it make virtual things real? why not conjure power sources like ZPMs? —StylaX 03:12, Monday October 27 2008 (UTC)

Well, probably because they don't know how to make one themselves, they couldn't tell the core how to make it.—Anubis 10545 05:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't they have the ancients database. they coun just copy the information to an asgard crystal and tell the computer core to make a ZPM. —Tau'ri 21300 22:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

They only downloaded a fraction of the repository they found, and it is unlikely that they would have chosen to download exact molecular specifics of all the Ancient's stuff because they could only fit a small amount of the data into what at the time was probably a relatively primitive storage system. They would only download the stuff they could make use of and seeing as at the time they probably couldn't synthesize things using transporters (they may not have even had them,) it would just be a waste of memory to download such useless information. Sman789 23:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Additionally that would require an interface between the Ancient database and an Asgard crystal, or someone to find, comprehend and understand the information enough to manually put it onto an Asgard crystal. Cmantito 01:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What i was wondering is they have the blueprints for 304's and they've beamed skyscrapers into space, so couldn't they use the asgard beams to make more 304s instantly from a barren planets resources?

Well, tha probobly presents a few different issues. First and foremost, Energy, in order to assemble something you need the energy thats required to "bind" it. The chemical bonds that make up the armor, and everything. You may also have to assemble the atoms themselves, or convert one atom into the other, if the transporter is even capable of doing that, some materials used on the ship don't even exist on earth, creating them from scratch, if possible, requires massive amounts of energy. 74.129.75.153 01:59, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

why did the asgard give the core to humans from earth when there are so meny other space capable humans like the Hebridians or the Talthun

They explained it in unending it was because the humans from earth were the 5th race, that and they most likely didn't know about the others or they didn't like them as much

They were probably most friendly with the Humans, mostly thanks to O'Neill. Cmantito 01:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Now that the ori and all there followers are gone why couldn't they use the core to make weapons to defeat the wraith in enemies at the gate

What kind of weapons might those be, the only ones that can damage that hive were Ancient drones and probably the satelite beam from The Siege (and the dakara weapon of course, and the Attero Device.) Sman789 17:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

What About satellite versions of the asgard beam weapons?? they know how to make satellite and they know how to make the weapons :) —Kwoosh..x 18:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

That’s not true hive are really quite fragile for space ships they can be damaged and even destroyed by primitive nuclear weapons like those used by the people who built the moon base In "The Ark" they only beat the Ancients because of grater numbers

P.S I now this was a ZPM powered hive but I find it hard to believe that the Asgard had nothing that could of helped

Well searching through the core would take ages. And it would contain knowledge, not actual blueprints. So even if they found some wired way of destroying the ships it would still be up to them to construct a device that can make use of the theory. Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 02:36, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Asgard Script

After seeing the very good shot of the Nox language in the Nox article, I am wondering if anyone can find a shot of the Asgard language in order to put it in the Asgard article? —Darth Batrus 12:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I have just uploaded an image of the Asgard language just now and put it on the Asgard language article. Would this do? Matthew R Dunn 14:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for that. :) —Darth Batrus 14:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Extinction

In light of the recent episode, isn't the extinction section inaccurate? Should it be re-written/revised?--Mjr162006 23:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. The part of the Asgard article regarding the Lost Tribe and the Lost Tribe's own article talk about how they are alive opposed to their Milky Way counterparts. The Extinction section is fine how it is because it is about the Milky Way Asgard.—Anubis 10545 23:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

That's why I asked first instead of just changing it. Perhaps then we might clarify that it was only the main group of Asgard. This is an encyclopedia. There is no reason to keep people in suspense.--Mjr162006 23:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, ok. But that part of the article hardly seems suspenseful.—Anubis 10545 05:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The Asgard arent from the milkyway, their from ida! why is Pegasus a real galaxy but ida's not Is there a possiblty that the tau'ri would some day find a cure to the problem with the asgard cloning and relive them because from what i understand the Asgard Data core on board the Daedalus contains memories of every asgard and there personality, and some might say that might take the tau'ri a long time but with the the data core of both the ancient and the asgard would'nt they find a cure somewhere?

possible they do not think it is th same to copy someone's mind as itis to transfer the original

That idea had occurred to me, too. It's more than possible to store an Asgard or two in that computer system; all you'd need is a few breeding pairs, then once you'd fixed the whole cloning issue you could re-make them. Of course, if they've saved themselves onto a computer, they probably wouldn't be allowed to ascend... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 14:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Allthough a far easier solution then that is to simply stick them into nanite bodies. You woudnt even have to worry about the genetic degredation and Atlantis can make nanite bodies in seconds. I doubt any Asgard were saved though. Sman789 18:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Some of the wording on the main page implies the Asgard were human originally Yeah I know, I put it there :D Sman789 17:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Why did the Asgard start cloning and stop doing it the way humans and Ancient reproduce in the first place

P.S are there female Asgard

Perhaps it's for the same reason that the current government does little research into everlasting life, the population would reach an unsustainable level if they kept making more and more children that would all live for tens of thousands of years. Sman789 22:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

are there female Asgard

They are asexual, so i don't think so, there probably was though.

Do you think there could be dead Asgard at area 51 from Roswell

P.S go the talk page for SGI episode Crusade I have noticed an error no one seems to have and it's quite obvious when it's pointed out to you

Okay here’s a thought: Asgard cloning works by cloning a replica of themselves and downloading their mind or subconscious or whatever into this brand new replica, am I right? Well, when they realized they were dying from genetic degradation and they lost the ability to reproduce sexually, why didn’t they clone themselves a new body that could reproduce sexually? It would have to be a different species then themselves of course, but it really wouldn’t even have to be human (since apparently they dont like to mess with our species because of what they did to Loki); It could be another species that might not have even been shown on Stargate SG-1. So once they download themselves into the new species’s bodies, they would be able to reproduce sexually again and could stop their dependence on cloning. And, if for some reason they didn’t want to this without the species knowledge or permission, couldn’t they just ask SGC on Earth or some other protected planet where the inhabitants know they exist to cooperate? I’m pretty sure the SGC would do whatever they could to cooperate. --User: Blackbriar 747 4:46PM, May 31, 2009

The whole genetic degradation issue is so insanely contrived and unscientific begin with. A) You would have to be a total dimwit to keep taking genetic material of the latest clone body to make a new one, that's the only way the material can degenerate. If the genetic sequence was digitized then it would be perfectly stored for as long as their computers worked and there would be no degradation. Or you just keep original samples in stasis.

B) Even if we swallow this large load of convoluted and sloppy writing, then there is still absolutely no reason the Asgard cannot simply move to inhabit artificial bodies, it is already demonstrated they can do that and to be honest, an artifical form would be vastly superior despite all the ascension organics only club BS & organics are teh best nonsense. Besides, the asgard couldn't ascend anyway.

Which again, is very stupid since given the Asgards observed abilities, genetic manipulation is very easy by comparison... well maybe it is too much to expect some form of scientific knowledge from some ignorant writer with a college degree in some useless field.

the asgard are not extinct period because the vanir are the same species even if theyre living in a different galaxy. its like saying that the tau'ri are extinct if all life dies in north america —ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 02:15, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

No America? How could we go on :)--99.150.196.78 20:05, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, my explanation for genetic degradation, and why they did not use cells from the original bodies. Its easy, they stopped sexually reproduction because they started cloning, they thought since they were no longer truly dieing that they would halt their reproduction through sexual means, since it would lead to uncontrolled population growth in numbers we "humans" have never faced, it was likely, that the population was at the hundreds of billions. As was shown in the episode where they found the ancient asgard, from 30,000ish years ago, those bodies could not hold the accumulated knowldege of the currrent asgard mind, they simply had to many memories, they mentioned genetic alteration to the bodies. Those bodies had already been a part of the Asgard cloning process, they cant continue using the original bodies, nor would they have cells left after a hundred thousand years (guessing at how long they've been at it?), they'd all been used up. From the looks of the Van'ir, with the implant seen noticeable on the head, they've used a combination route of cybernetics and biologic to maintain themselves. The Asgard of Thor's group dont appear to want to use artificial means alone to survive, Thor showed he could be active stored on a ship/computer, at least twice, but wanted a body to interact with. Artificial bodies just arent the same, it might also have something to do with the fact that they were at war with a mechanical race, that solution posed a small problem, an ethical one.

—Unsigned comment by 74.129.75.153 (talk • contribs).

The Asgard was smart on many topics but bio was not one of them. Beside the Asgard don't think on the same level when do. Remeber Small Victories? They probably didn't think of all that.

Talk

Should't the name be like Asgård? or am i just completely wrong? 91.155.61.241 18:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

In Stargate canon it's "Asgard", which is also a commonly accepted spelling in Norse mythology. —Ka'lel 18:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

ye thats what i was thinking, use the nanite machine at atlantis. hell, they could've given the asgard access to it and then they could have made themselves bodies however they wanted to. but another thing, how did Baal create clones of himself? and each clone had his memories. but the asgard couldn't do that. they had to transfer memories individually. they could've just taken a human, copied them, (part of the asgard-goa'uld treaty was that they couldn't artifically evolve humans, so do that to the copy), delete the clone's memories, transfer themselves into it, and send the original home with no memory of the events.

i jsut remembered, when loki clones o'neill, the younger o'neill has the same memories as the original. so wtf, why don'tthe asgard do that. an asgard clone can't even walk on its own...—SupremeCommander 19:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

possible they do not think it is th same to copy someone's mind as itis to transfer the original

Maybe it's some moral thing, I dunno what—Swedish guy 15:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

man, if they asked, i woulda let them make a million copies of me =/

But would the copies be happy about it loki’s o'neill clone wasn't

Y'all stupid. Gou'lud pass their knowledge genetically, the asgard do not. Probably did not know that the ancient had such a machine as it was created in the war against the wraith. And since asgard had more "massively superior intell" they could more easily copy a human memory. And new asgard clones do not have coniseness. That is because they don't want to destory new life.(same thing we should do on a certain topic....)

decended from Ancients

i erased the sentence saying that the ancients are the asgards' ancestors. its been stated that the ancients met the asgard and taught them and formed the alliance of the four great races so they are not related whatsoever. thought u aught to know.

They may have formed the alliance, but that was way after they started seeding life in various places, so the Asgard could have developed within that time. It could also be that the Asgard were a group of Ancients that broke off with the main Ancients way before they left for Pegasus, which would have given them plenty of chance to get the cloning going before the Ancients came back and formed the Alliance. Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 02:30, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

But the asgard would be just as advanced if your theory was right. And they said that they dowload a ancient computer. If so, that throw your theory out the window.

No it doesn't, it doesn't at all. Lets say that the Asgard split off around the time of the Destiny because they believed that cloning was the way to extend their lives, and went to Ida to start their own civilization. Whilst the Ancients did their own thing and the Asgard focused on researching genetic manipulation, they might have never had contact. Way later on they could have remet and then formed that allience - it's more that possible that during the time they were apart, the Ancients got wayyyy more knowledge, like the Tau'ri and the Tollan. That explains both why they looked like humans and how they managed to be so advanced so early on. Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 11:04, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's theoretically possible but we can't say it's true unless someone official confirms they are related. 122.105.223.16 07:34, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

maybe the asgard as descendants from an early human species the ancients left on a planet in the Ida galaxy when, and if, they were travelling through it--Escyos ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 07:38, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they just naturally evolved like the alterans. the ancients only seeded human life

trivia sections

i don't know if trivia sections are used here, but if they are, I would suggest that we add that the Pegasus Asgard are unofficially referred to as the Venir. more what the fans call them, and Martin Gero has elected to name them, as per his most recent interview on Gateworld.

the writers screweds up on their mythology

according to REAL LIFE norse mythology, the asgard gods were violent, cruel beings. this contradicts the ridiculus fiction that daniel jackson said that they were friendly to humans, in fact, the egyptian gods were far more friendly in mythology than the norse gods. seems like the writers screwed up big time.

They hade to have it that way because they hade established the Egyptian gods as eviler before the asgard were even thought of in the stargate movie

maybe the Asgard are sorta repenting themselves for what they did to some humans during there rule as divines. like most of the known asgrad e.g. Zeus but like The system lord Yu who in his age had realised the Goa'uld were too evil. its a theory... —84.13.163.71 22:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

also in real mythology, horus ripped off one of set's testicles...some details are better overlooked —Asdf1239 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 09:49, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Let me tell you something: MYTHOLOGY LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything we know about the egyptian gods comes from hyroglyphs, etc. The Goa´uld forbid the humans to write, except for the writers in their palaces (like apophis host) and ofcourse the didnt want to write, they were bad. The asgard never posed as gods directly, they just thougth, the humans they saved weren´t ready for aliens, so they disguised as their gods untill they were smart enough to understand it. On the asgard protected worlds they are seen as friendly gods, because they saved them. The Tauri-legends of thor etc, were made before the asgard contacted the humans and take on their gods names, or perhaps they were seen as gods of war, because they were fighting the goa´uld. The goa´uld censored the writings about their violent nature, the asgard were fighting and dont hide it. --87.139.33.47 17:22, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe its a T.V show Kaeleth ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 09:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

morals

so...how are the asgard posing as gods on earth any better than the goa'uld doing so? they were worshipped as norse gods right? i thought posing as gods was a bad thing in stargate? ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 09:49, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

The Asgard didn't actually do anything as the Gods, they just protected their people from the Goa'uld. The Goa'uld, on the other hand, enslaved the populations, murdered anyone who they didn't like, pit world against world in wars and were generally nasty. Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 10:52, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, someone should write a strongly worded letter about that. Generally nasty, I say chap, that's despicable.

image

why does the individual in the infobox image have a different skin tone than most others weve seen? ASDF1239 ^DISCUSSION 04:37, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's an older one, I think Sman789 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 06:38, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Status

Ok on the infobox it says that the asgard are extinct and on the status of the race it says it unknown? whats with that? Kaeleth ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 09:24, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Asgard chapter

hey guys if its no major problem anyone would care to say me all the names of the chapters were the asgard are? just that iREALLLY LOVE THE ASGARD i want to see al the chapters im anonime

Vanir

Shouldn't it be mentioned that the Vanir are stronger then the Ida Asgard cause they appear to be stronger.

Stronger? If anything, they are inferior by millenia. No Asgard ship would be taken down by a piddly Traveler vessel, much less have two fall to the same one. The Vanir didn't focus on fighting, the Asgard did, and for that the Asgard are vastly superior. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean physically or, technalogically, because technologically, they dont appear to be a match for the original with perhaps the exception of having some way of staving off their genetic degredation, however, they may be at a different point in the progression of the degredation. See, the original Asgard were at war, and in war they suffer casualties, and they die, they make clones to replace them, so they go through clones faster, the more they clone the faster the progression of the "disease". And the envirenental suits, they could be something the Asgard of the ida galaxy never developed, but the base technology could be inferior, its just never something the Ida Asgard needed, they prefer not to engage in physical fights, at least so far as we know. The little implant on the head, doesnt mean they are better, just trying to fight degredation by storing stuff in it instead of their head, maybe, or to link to their ships/computers, which the Ida Asgard dont need, they link to their ships either by a hidden implant(inside), or dont require implants.74.129.66.59 08:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think he means phyiscaly advance.

Extinct

Does anyone think this article should be put in the "Extinct races" category? The Vanir do still exist, but only about one ship full of them.