Does that mean that this is originally Sokars' mothership? Unsigned comment by Tau'ri 21300 (talk • contribs).

No, it's just establishing a time period. —AscendedAlteran 06:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
But if it was first seen AFTER Apophis took control of Sokar's forces then it was originally Sokar's mothership.—Tau'ri 21300 07:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Apophis was first defeated by Sokar, so Sokar could have taken it from Apophis to begin with, even though it wasn't seen until later. That's what Goa'uld do. —Ka'lel 16:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

If it was apophis', then how did he lose to Sokar w/ such a powerful ship?—Tau'ri 21300 06:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Touché. But if Sokar had such a powerful ship, how was Apophis the most powerful Goa'uld in the galaxy before the Tau'ri thwarted his plants? Seriously though, it's probably just a matter of "power creeping". —Ka'lel 07:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
It's because Sokar had been gone so long that all the Goa'uld had forgot him and since he's been gone for so long, who know's what new technology he might hav aquired while he was away.—Tau'ri 21300 23:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

who knows, its jsut one of those things that u will never know about. he prolly thought up a design and had it built in secret or something—SupremeCommander 23:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)SupremeCommander

Maybe this was a continuation of the series of vessels that Apophis had started building that SG-1 destroyed in the episode "upgrades", where they had the power bands on their arms. The ship was far from complete when they blew it up, it could have been the internal structure of a new mothership, perhaps of this design. Of course, it could be Sokar's mothership, he had been saving up resources, ships and things, keeping them hidden, getting ready to overthrow the system lords, just waiting till he had enough to take on their collective forces, before fully revealing the extent of his forces, such as this mothership. 08:47, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Since this ship was first seen after Apophis killed Sokar, and basing on the knowledge that Ptah (the designer of the majority of the Goa'uld fleet) was a good friend of Sokar's, is it not quite likely that it was Ptah, not Apophis that designed this ship?

Apophis never really showed himself to be good with designing ships, and he had no (known) underlord skilled at that either. Anubis had Thoth as well as his knowledge of ancient technology to explain his advanced ships. Apophis never had any explanation. Since I have no source except logical reasoning, I put this here, rather than in the article... (I learned my lesson...)

Egeria of the Tok'ra (talk) (Contribs) 10:19, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


Do ya think this ship has a cloak because he cloaked his entire fleet when meeting Heru'ur. It seems likely he would have a cloak on this ship because normal Ha'taks of him had them. Anubis 1996 (talk) (Contribs) 16:49, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

If the ship had a cloak he'd have used it. Most Ha'taks do not have cloaks. It'd be impossible to cloak something as big as this ship. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:55, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
He could clock a full fleet in his meeting with Heru'ur and the Tau'ri cloak Atlantis wich is bigger.If his Ha'tak's had it why not his flagship. Atlantis is the proove replace shield with cloak. Anubis 1996 (talk) (Contribs) 19:04, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
But Ancient shield generators can handle much more energy and project their field much further than the Goa'uld ones - that said, there's really no way to know for sure just what the Goa'uld generators can do. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 19:09, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
If the reactors of Goa'uld couldn't do it why could he then cloak a FULL fleet of ships. Anubis 1996 (talk) (Contribs) 19:13, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
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