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2008 DiscussionEdit

HAHAHA. I immediately thought "come on...the air article again?" I guess the article is important...just not in the way we thought. —Ka'lel 17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD... CRAZY!!!!! That is so funny. I hadn't even realized. I mean honestly, what are the chances... wow.—Anubis 10545 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I bet they wont end up calling it air by the time they show the first series Sman789 19:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully they don't. I'm fairly certain it's just a working title though.—Anubis 10545 23:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Yah, they'll probably change it to latin or something, like a lot of atlantis episodes. And episode 4, Earth, will probably be called Terrafirma, or something like that.

InfoEdit

[1] This link from Gateworld has some pretty interesting info from "Air".—Anubis 10545 04:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

AttackEdit

After looking at our article about the Jaffa Nation and how (after Counterstrike) it's not too crazy about the Tau'ri, it could possibly be the free Jaffa Nation that attacks Icarus Baes... opposed to the Lucian Alliance. Just thought of that...—Anubis 10545 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess that the attack were not made by the Free Jaffa Nation but the Lucian Alliance. As we all know the conflict between Tau'ri-Lucian Alliance war crumbled at the end of Stargate SG-1 season 10 series and subsequently never heard of them in Stargate: Atlantis, however there must be a change in leadership/coup after Netan assassination by Odai Ventrell as Odai mention that he came to replace Netan before killing him. In addition after reviewing Stargate Universe Season 1 edit by Matthew R Dunn, I realised that there is a relation between the attack and also in some episode of Stargate universe. The episode I suspect that might mention the Lucian Alliance could be the pilot episode Air, Earth, Sabotage, Subversion and Incursion Part 1 and Part 2. Though this had not be confirmed in any source either from by MGM, director or actor of Stargate Universe, this is what I might expect to be aired in those episode. Plus if we review what Brad Wright say that the character in Stargate Universe would be the heroes and villain in the series, in other word there might be a spy for the Lucian Alliance among the Destiny Crew that prompted the attack on Icarus Base. Hope we will know it soon who is it when the pilot episode aired on Oct 2. --Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 16:58, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Apparently Carter knew as much as we did, because she said that her best guess was that it was the Lucian Alliance, but no one could know for sure. Even more oddly, they were annihilated when the Icarus Base planet exploded, so not only is there only a low chance that we'll ever find out, and now it doesn't seem to even matter that much and the enemies almost seemed to only serve as a plot device. Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 03:13, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

what i found stupid was that there were a few ha'taks yet the Hammond should have obliterated them with the asgard plasma beam weapons.

Thank you above. I watched that episode and when I saw the Hammond up there getting beat by a bunch of ha'taks I almost turned it off right there. The Daedalus class ships can fight against Wraith, Asuran, and Ori ships, all of which are far superior to ha'taks, yet the Hammond can't seem to fight them off. Unsigned comment by Beowulf500ad (talk • contribs).

As I speculated somewhere else, it is possible the George Hammond is not yet battle ready. It is a new ship, after all. Also, Joe Mallozzi had a good point on his blog: "You’re assuming that while Earth has made progress with its shields and weaponry, the rest of the galaxy has remained stagnant." Source. Cheers. MolocKal'el T | C - 02:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I think that the George Hammond not being battle ready is the only realistic solution. While I understand that other races may advance their technology I find it hard to believe that they would have gone from Gould level to being capable of taking on a ship with advanced Asgard technology. Think about it, if the George Hammond had working Asgard beam weapons then the only way for the Ha'taks to win is if they had access to shield technology more advanced then the Ori and Asuran which would be quite the jump in technology. At the best, they would have had access to Anubis' advanced shields but they weren't as advanced as Ori or Asuran shields.


I think that is rubbish, how can groups like the Lucian alliance make technological progress, they are no better than the Goauld, scavenging and stealing technology, at the most they might have found some shield enhancing device, but there is no way they have the technical expertise to develop new technology, heck there is no indication to say the vast majority of non-earth based humans can even read! They were slaves after all...

In the Atlantis episode Allies, Daedalus was jumped by two hive ships. Carter said they fired the second they dropped out of hyperspace. If I were the commander of the ha'taks I'd have my batteries hit the plasma weapons and shield systems first. If that's true, then the Hammond likely had her weapons partially disabled and shields were impaired. Add on that there were three of them and support from gliders, it's reasonable that Hammond was merely outflanked and outgunned from the start. (Says a lot about a good intelligence network) --Pyroslev (talk) (Contribs) 02:02, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I think that the plasma beam weapons just werent on the ship yet because without them those ships are really not that fantastic at fighting

Actually only the latest Asgard weaponry were able to compete with the Ori so it seems likely the ship didn't have those newer weapons installed or fully functional yet. And lets not forget that the Goa'uld as someone said above to advanced shields because of Anubis. The Lucian Alliance uses old Goa'uld military equipment the System Lords left behind so it's not improbable that they found some of Anubis' more advanced Ha'taks which were able to withstand standard Asgard weaponry of the time.67.183.100.160 04:47, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Video ClipEdit

I've noticed, when I try to watch the video clip on the "Air" article either on the page or on You Tube, it keeps saying "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions" What does this mean, was the video deleted or what? —24.210.114.224 23:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

That's mean youtube hates you. Well, it hates me too. I guess it avalable only in US or something --User:Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 04:04, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
That means exactly what it says. They've put a copyright restriction on it so that only users from the United States can watch it. If you live in the States and are still getting this message, that's another issue and I don't know how to solve it. I live in Canada and didn't have this problem before, but I do now. Which means a representative from either SyFy or MGM contacted someone from Youtube/Google and they placed the restriction on the video. However, an easy fix is to go to Youtube, search "Stargate Universe" (or something like that) and sort by newest videos first. Look for videos that are 5 minutes long or have the title you're looking for. There will be a few different people uploading the same video and others most likely won't have the restriction on them (at first). Here's one that works at the moment: click here. Or you could try a site other than Youtube. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 04:10, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
I live in the US and I still get that message. Oh well... Although you really only need to see it once :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 05:20, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
I've replaced the video with one that currently works and actually has better sound quality than the previous version. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 15:45, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

MGM has taken down the second video that was linked and there is no immediate replacement on any of the wikia supported video sites. The show airs in just over two weeks anyways, but if the clip is found again it can always be re-added. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

What to do next? Edit

OK, since the premiere is almost here, what should we do about the episode page. The way I see it, there are three options;

  1. Keep it as one, but it'll get big when a detailed plot would be added.
  2. Since the first two parts air as one, we could make a seperate page for part 3, while parts 1 & 2 keep the same page (same tactic used in Lostpedia) Or...
  3. Just simply split them to all three episodes.

Out of all those, I'd rather split all three of them to make it easier for all of us. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) (Contribs) 14:03, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Looking back through the wiki, we seem to split same-title episodes much more than we keep them together, so splitting the article into three parts is fine. That said, keeping it a single article doesn't hurt either. There's nothing wrong with long, detailed pages, I mean, Wookieepedia and Memory Alpha are full of them. Besides, that's what the table of contents and subheadings are for. So I don't think splitting up the page would make it any easier, as we'd have to triple sections like the infobox, references, notes, etc. As a bonus, a long, detailed page would make for a good featured article which could bring a lot of new Stargate fans, who are watching for the first time, to the site. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:09, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Most logical is to split this article into two - part 1&2 fnd part 3. Just like they will be aired --User:Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 18:10, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Any way is fine with me. Although, we have Children of the Gods and Rising as one episode... although that's primarily because no one has taken the time to split them up :). But I agree with Ka'lel's assessment above about keeping it as one larger detailed article.
However, if we were to split it up, it seems as though having three separate articles makes the most sense. I don't know this for certain, but when they run Air in reruns.... eventually... like syndication... they will probably break it up into three, one hour segments. Otherwise, it seems as though that there would only be Air parts 1 and 2... excluding the 3rd entirely. Although, at this point, I am leaning more towards keeping it as one larger article... but breaking it up with subheadings like we have done with Rising and Children of the Gods.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:23, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
That's a really good point about syndication. I don't think we should split it by 1&2 and 3, but I am ok with splitting it into three, or keeping it as one. I'm going to start a poll and we'll close it on September 30th. We'll go with what wins out, hopefully we'll have a good number of votes. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 02:28, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

POLL CLOSED

How shall we split the Air article?
Leave it as a single, long article (4 votes, 28.6%)
Split it into three parts (9 votes, 64.3%)
Split it into two parts (1&2 and 3) (1 vote, 7.1%)

Thanks to everyone for your votes. The result is that we will split the Air article into three parts.
So, just a reminder of what needs to be done:

  • Split Air into Air, Part 1; Air, Part 2; and Air, Part 3.
  • Turn Air into a disambiguation page, similar to The Siege.
  • Make sure, where applicable or important, that articles that reference Air, now reference the specific part of the episode instead of the disambiguation page.

Add something to the list if I've forgotten it. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:29, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

  • Split Category:Images from Air into each part, when we know which go where.
  • Split cast section of infobox into each part, when we know which go where. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 22:35, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

"Scene" from UniverseEdit

I read a Gateworld review of "Air" today, and saw a mention of an "adult" scene in it. This better not be another "Children of the Gods" all over again. —Wraithdead11 (talk) (Contribs) 14:32, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see anything wrong with that scene in CotG. It didn't add anything to the episode, but it certainly didn't take anything away either. SG-1 began on Showtime, which is not a basic cable channel and censorship was much more lax, allowing nudity and language. Syfy is a cable channel and will definitely NOT allow any nudity or language more questionable than "damn", especially considering SGU is a primetime show. In short, other than the obvious violence that there will be, you don't have to worry about your kids watching the episode. The adult content most likely refers to a sex scene by cable standards. On a side note, I've always respected BSG for introducing the word "frak" as a way around censorship. Cheers. —Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 15:17, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Haha that scene in Air was just a surprise to me. :P Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 06:38, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

It was a very random and out of place scene. -Ka'lel (talk) (Contribs) 06:45, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Kind of. Although I guess you could say that it "set the mood" for how the show's going to be... just so it won't seem out of place later if they choose to do it again. And by it I mean a sexual scene... not the act of... never mind :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 06:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Suicide?Edit

They said there would be a suicide but I don't know if Senator Armstrong's self-sacrifice to buy the others more time would count as that suicide or not. Thoughts? Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 03:15, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well he was already dying, that's the true reason he sacrificed himself. From what he was dying was never made clear, but loosely yeah it counts as suicide. Given the stress they are under though, it's a possibility someone else may decide to commit suicide to spare themselves the ordeal. My money would be on the daughter of the senator, she seems the most obvious right now and has no real skillset that's important for survival. My second choice, Rush himself as the song he played invoked tears and his wife must've died of some ailment by the focus on her picture. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) (Contribs) 04:19, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't think the senator was really as such dying. He had bruised ribs which isn't fatal, but he had to take medication for his bad heart that contained blood thinners and that could cause him internal bleeding, but at the same time he probably would have had problems with his heart if he hadn't. He was just screwed either way.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 17:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would make sense... but they seem to be pushing both Chloe and Rush as main characters, so story-wise I find that unlikely to happen.Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 14:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

  • Senator Armstrong was bleeding internaly and he was condemned because of the lack of medicine and medical stuff onboard the ship.--LIMAFOX76 (talk) (Contribs) 20:52, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

The Earth's point of origin on the Icarus Base gateEdit

I was wondering, what's the Earth point of origin symbol doing on a non-earth gate? Shouldn't the gate on Icarus Base have the usual 38 symbols plus the unique 39th symbol as point of origin? Ie. the one they tried to lock as 9th symbol the first time? The one that looks suspiciously like Orion? I thought we had agreed since SG-1 times that every milky way gate had a constant set of 38 constellations plus an unique point of origin... Except maybe the Alpha and Beta gates... but that's "a long-lasting production error" (quote taken from the Stargate Wiki article on "Solitudes"). --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

They hacked DHD with dialing computer so they can input anything they want to input into gate. I think Ancients made Destiny unreachable by common methods --User:Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 20:10, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but that's not what I meant. The symbol does appear on the computer... but it also appears engraved on the spinning corona! Here, left of the top chevron:[2] It's a screenshot from Air, about at the end of the first dialing attempt. I wouldn't consider it a CGI graphics mistake, considering this shot was not from stock footage, as demostrated by the original suspeded power feeders above the gate, in that same screenshot. The unreachability by common methods is dictated by the exceptional amount of energy necessary, not by the point of origin. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 20:26, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Eli was speaking about combination, like a word and not like constellations as a classic dialing sequence.--LIMAFOX76 (talk) (Contribs) 20:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not arguing the combination of the symbols. We agree that once we talk about a 9 symbol code, the constellations lose the meaning of coordinates they have in a 7 symbol address. What I argue is that the Tau'ri point of origin symbol should not be engraved on a non-earth gate. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 20:57, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'll wait a while to see if there are any more objections, otherwise I'll add this inconsistency in a Trivia or Notes section of the article. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 12:08, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
The even bigger problem for me was that it was the Alpha Gate point of origin, which was a gate Ra brought to Earth after the Ancients left. So if it was indeed a code that had to be dialled to reach the Destiny, why the heck didn't they use the Beta Gate point of origin, which was the original gate used by the Ancients? —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 16:46, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Realy, are we sure Ra broght Alpa Gate to Earth? --User:Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 17:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of it at first though but after looking at the three currently point of origin for earth, which were found on the Alpha Gate, Beta Gate and the Atlantis Gate I might suspect that all three point of origin could be use to dial the ninth chevron address. Though the Beta Gate was lost, the point of origin still remained for earth and the same can be concluded for the Atlantis Gate. Though this had not been proved in the series this what I speculate based on the detail in this Stargate wiki. Also if the previous three point of origin work in dialing the ninth chevron as a code, I might suspect that the Stargate point of origin in Klorel Hatak and in the ZPM Hive ship could also work too when its was orbiting Earth at that time before attacking Earth. --Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 17:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Agree, Piramid with sun is just a symbol, with the same meaning
None of this (albeit interesting) discussion answers the question of what was a unique point of origin symbol doing on a gate that is not the Alpha gate. Note that I would be wondering the same thing had the Icarus gate born the mentioned symbols of the Beta gate, or of the Atlantis gate. The matter is simple enough: the pyramid symbol does not belong on a gate that is not the Alpha gate! Any discussion is pure speculation! --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 08:41, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
So your problem is the "AT" on the more gate than the one from earth. Well it is not the first time. Do you remeber third season? the episode "New Ground"? Bedrosians found their gate and it is clearly visible in the very first shot of the episode that "AT" is on that gate. While i agree with you that each gate should have a 38 same symbols and one unique, during the show itself we could see that it is realy not the case because we were able to see few whole offworld dialing and none of the points of origins were unique (now i could only remeber the episode in season six where prometheus crashed on tagrea, in the end of the episode carter dials the earth and we could clearly see the seventh symbol). So If I were you I wouldnt bother about this, It is only show and it is not perfect. It is the same nonsence as in the last episode of Atlantis and its "reconfiguration of pegasus gate.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 09:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
I do agree with the MST3K Mantra (Repeat to yourself it's just a show/You should really just relax). And I am aware of the appearance of the "AT" symbol on several other gates. It has been stated (eg. on the article on the Beta gate on this very same Wiki) that this should be considered a production mistake. And I've never had any problems with this kind of mistake... except when it crucial to the plot! "Air" is effectively the first time where an AT symbol on a non-earth gate is funtional to the storytelling. Not easy to handwave this as a production error! Besides, let's not forget that the Icarus gate has already its own point of origin symbol! It's the one they use as ninth symbol on the first attempt, it looks remarkably like Orion... but I have no problems at looking past that and considering it another separate symbol. But the AT one is just too recognizable to look past it. This would make the Icarus gate the only gate in the galaxy with... two point of origin symbols!! It would've appeared quite remarkable in Dr. Rush's eyes, wouldn't it? --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 19:59, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
Well I see your point here but i think there is nothing about it that we could do, just dont think about it. I know it is stupid advice but it really helps in the cases like this or that stupid reconfiguration of dhd in the last atlantis. it is just something that cannot be explained.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 21:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


Again, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I didn't allow the inconsistency to spoil my enjoyment of the episodes, nor was it my intention to spoil anyone else's. But, you see, I felt the need to share the opinion in order to have some confirmation. I'm glad that the "38 common symbols + 1 unique symbol" theory still stands, and that it's still considered canon by most of us. In fact, my main objective was to ascertain the degree of notability among fans of said inconsistency, in the hope of being able to add it to the article without causing flame wars (which I think I have accomplished, but I hope for confirmation). I was very relieved to read the "Behind the Scenes" note on the "Beta Gate" article on this wiki a couple of years ago, and I was feeling that adding the "Air" inconsistency might provide some relief to some other canon-hungry surfer in the near future. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 15:28, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute, now that i am thinking about it, it was not the first time something like that happened. Do you remeber the first episode in season two of SG1? Daniel escaped from Klorels ship by gate, and he explained that he dialed the alfasite and used the Earths point as point of origin, this means that the DHD had its unique symbol plus AT. Little strange isnt it.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 15:47, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Daniel's exact words are "Once we were close enough to use Earth as a point of origin, I dialled P3X-984" as opposed to "Earth's point of origin". I remember interpreting that as if Daniel had used the gate's own point of origin, and its vicinance to the earth allowed him to force the gate to pass that the AT point of origin to the Alpha site's gate. You will agree with me that this (along with many other examples in SG-1 we could produce) isn't as strong a plot device as the one used for "Air", where such inconsistency... sets the very foundation for the whole series! Let's not go nitpicking ;) --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 17:05, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


(Resetting indentation: new debate)
"One possible explination of this is that it is implied that the 9th chevron is a code, not a location, so it could be the same as the glyph for the location of where the Ancients originally stayed after returning from Pegasus - Earth."
Above suggested explanation by 24.15.54.69 doesn't make sense. With all due respect, and with no offense meant to the editor (who I believe was editing in good faith), the edit demonstrates sketchy knowledge of estabilished canon, at best. I quote from the footnote on the Glyph article of the Stargate Wiki: (referring to the AT Symbol and the Subido symbol) "These glyphs are unique to the Alpha Gate and the Stargate installed in Atlantis, respectively. Other Stargates throughout Milky Way and Pegasus have different point of origin symbols, matching their respective DHDs.". Regradless of if the 9 symbol sequence is a code rather than a set of coordinates, the AT symbol does not belong on a gate that is not the Alpha gate. It's just as simple as that. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 09:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

How's this for a possibility? The stargate, like all Ancient tech, is controlled by programming in the control crystals. Perhaps it was possible to directly input a different point of origin symbol that didn't appear on the gate (and the image showing it on the gate is an error). Since the DHD with the AT symbol was registered to Earth during the last correlative update it took part in, it was a viable point of origin. Thus using the symbol "tricked" the gate into thinking it was on Earth. If this turns out to be the case it would be similar to connecting a stargate to a DHD with a different POO symbol, which has been done (Atlantis's replacement gate, puddle jumper DHD, etc.) Tzion (talk) (Contribs) 16:34, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. That does seem to be the only reasonable explanation. Although I've brought myself to believe it, I don't like it one bit, because it's more a rationalization than an explanation. I have the distinct feeling that it was no accident, and that the writers actively and positively wanted the AT Symbol to be physically engraved on the rotating corona... and there is a consistent risk they will fall in the same trap in future episodes, which could possibly void this particular rationalization of ours. In fact, as I noted earlier, the AT Symbol appearing on a non-earth gate is something we've been all "vaccined" against during SG1 seasons 4 and 5. We've all learnt to cross our eyes and squint through our eyelids so that we could pretend not to see the AT Symbol on the Beta gate at SGC, or on the odd off-world gates it would occasionally appear on. But you see, my central point is that the case of "Air, Part 1" is no regular one! What makes the case of "Air, Part 1" so exceptional (so much that I insisted for it to be mentioned on the corresponding Stargate Wiki page) was that this is the first time that such small (and usually irrelevant) inconsistency is important to the story. The AT Symbol is right there, engraved on the corona. Everyone's looking at it, everyone is talking about it, and it's fundamental to the plot: there's no eye-crossing or eyelid-squinting that can save us, this time! --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 22:44, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


(UNINDENT)
Quote from user Chris122990:
"It is quite possible that since Icarus had an unstable Naquadria core, the Ancients did not deem it safe to place a Stargate on the planet. Later, when the planet was discovered, the currently useless Milky Way gate (due to Atlantis's presence on Earth) at the SGC was moved to Icarus to allow tests for the ninth chevron."
Are we ready to accept the Alpha Gate has been destroyed along with Icarus Base? Seems like something as huge as that would not go unmentioned in the following episodes! And wait, it gets worse. When they attempted the first dial-out, they used the Icarus base gate's very own point of origin symbol (the one that looks like Orion). Which means that that gate couldn't have been the Alpha gate. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 22:23, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


No, the Alpha gate is still in SGC, and is used by SGC. Atlantis gate was disabled by McKay/Carter after the arrival so the location of Atlantis isn't compromised. Also, I believe, that they were able to use the At-symbol by hacking the DHD with the Dialing Computer, and sending the At-signal to the Gate through the DHD, enabling it to dial Destiny. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 16:43, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


I agree with the above user. I took the liberty of editing the article to follow this theory. ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 15:19, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

atlantis Edit

i wonder if atlantis is still on earth? no one ever said anything about it...but it would be hard as hell to get ir back to pegasus with exactly no zpms...i wonder... Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, they still have ZPMs that are charged... so they could fly it back with little problem.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:08, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
They have to look after Wraith, so I think they will return to Pegasus soon --User:Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 07:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
I think they will return to Pegasus soon bacause otherwise it would be a pretty crappy series of films
Although I though I heard somewhere that Stargate: Extinction (if they actually make it) won't be wraith-related. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:51, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Scene cut from UK premiere? Edit

Did anyone else watch the UK premiere? I don't recall the sex scene at all. I just watched the repeat (shown the next day, one hour later) and I saw it for the first time. Did I microsleep through it first time? Or was it cut? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:26, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

It was cut bacause the original airing of the episode was shown before watershed (just like the scene where Teyla gets killed in Keller's dream in Doppelganger. It was cut, because it was too early. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) (Contribs) 21:11, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Another one; Rush crying while looking at a photo. Once again, I didn't see this one first time around. (Sky One has ridiculous amounts of adverts in popular shows, as this was expected to be - more than the American run?) JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:40, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

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SCG Edit

On the Air, Part 1 page it says SCG when it should be SGC. someone should change it.

Done. MolocKal'el T | C - 20:20, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

First Episode Edit

Do we really need the whole This is The First Episode to Feature Jack O'Neill, Samantha Carter, and Daniel Jackson Since SG-1's the Shroud?

ErrorEdit

After just watching Air, Part 1, again, I realized something. In the first minutes of the episode, we see the Stargate aboard Destiny engage. Mere moments after this, Matthew Scott steps through. However, when rush dialed the ninth chevron address (successfully) later in the episode, a lot more time had passed before Scott actually stepped through.

Also, when Riley dials the Stargate shortly after Eli's arrival at the base, the first chevron on the gate doesn't light up (despite being engaged).—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:31, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


also in the flashback of Lt. Tamara Johansen talking to Camile Wray about quiting Camile said Colonel O'neil, not General O'neil (time index around: 31:04) 156.33.195.254 22:28, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

All gates have the same glyphs-theory Edit

I have a theory, why the At-Symbole is on the icarus-base-gate and why the gate accepted it as ninth symbol for destiny. I´ve already posted it in the point-of-origin-talk-page, but here is a copy:

I believe that all gates in the milky-way-network use the same set of glyphs (38 constellation glyphs + at-symbole) with "at" being a special symbol designed for earth. During the series there was never seen a stargate with a unique point of origin on the inner track. Remember, while the gate has 39 symbols, the DHD only has 38, so theres always a missing glyph. (For example: Abydos DHD lacks the Aquila-Glyph) My theory is, that, with the exception for Earth, all stargates uses one of the 38 constellation glyphs as point of origin depending on its position (Chulak uses Serpens-Caput). This would mean, that the unique points of origin-Symbols like Abydos (Pyramid with three moons), the keepers planet (A numer of lines) or the beta-gates symbol (circle with a podest) are only found on the DHD, but not on the gate itself.

it is possible, that the ancients had splited the galaxy in 38 sections, each one resembled by one of the symbols. if you enter the adress, the first six glyphs tell the stargate, which gate should be dialed (or which planet) and the point of origin tells the stargate in which part of the galaxy you curently are. Earth would be an exeption, since it is the first world, a stargate was placed. In "the lost city" Jack identifies the Pyramid-and-Sun symbol as AT, this might be a refference to AT-Lantis.

But if one dont knows where he is, he would have to random dial point of origins untill he can made a conection. so the ancients decide to replace the constellation glyph with a symbol for the planet to make it easier to find the point of origin. (when one wants to dial the stargate on abydos manually, he would have to use the Aquila-Glyph as point of origin.)

Remember, when Daniel uses the stargate on Klorels ship, he dialed the aries-glyph as point of origin and later told the others, that he escaped by dialing the alpha-site with earth as point of origin. Later on when carter found the betagates DHD the "Circle with a podest" symbol is placed where the aries-glyph should be. This means that Earth is locatet in the aries-part of the galaxy and the aries-glyph should be used, when the earth gate is used wiht a DHD, since the at-symbol is not found on any DHD.

The "all gates have the same glyphs-Theory" explains why the DHDs are always missing a symbol and why eli and rush were able to dial the AT-symbole on an other gate than the alpha gate.

--84.150.157.90 15:54, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


So, if I understand you correctly, as an example, if I were to be on Abydos, and needed to dial an address that doesn't contain Aquila, I'd dial the first six symbols, and when I press the seventh symbol on the DHD (which is the unique one with three moons on the DHD) the DHD will spin up not an unique symbol, but the constellation symbol that corresponds to the part of the galaxy I'm in, out of the 38 constellations, leaving AT present on the gate, but unused. This way, every single Milky Way gate would have the same 39 symbols: 38 constellations (one of which is a special one, assigned to that part of the galaxy and bearing the function of point of origin) and the AT Symbol (always left unused, except on earth). That's an interesting theory, very elegant, no doubt.
But this generates the problem of when you need to manually dial the gate. You don't have a DHD, or the one you have is broken. You spin the first six symbols in position, get the six chevron to lock... and then? How do you recognize which one of the 38 constellations acts as a point of origin? Do you have to try every one of the 38 symbols? Having the six locked chevrons die out on you for every wrong one, forcing to dial the 6 symbols over and over again? Im pretty certain I can recall at least one situation where a speedy manual dialling was necessary, and our heroes made it just in time because all they needed was one attempt, or when it was not a matter of time, they only had the energy for one attempt. It's not that I don't like the theory but... I just feel comfortable thinking that the unique symbol is also on the spinning track of the gate itself. Anything other than that would complicate matters, not simplify them, unfortunately. I do believe the old theory that every gate has its own unique symbol engraved on the gate itself should still be the canon on the Stargate Wiki --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 21:03, November 21, 2009 (UTC)


You forgot that the inner track does not spin, when a dhd is atached to it (only the chevrons glow). the ring only spins when the gates condensators filled up with energy, then the ring is unlocked and it can be dialed by hand. (Remember, when dialed by a dhd, after the 7 symbols are dialed, the gate does not open, the Engage-button has to be pressed, to connect the gate with the DHDs power source, => DHD-dialing: first adress dialing then feeding power to the gate; Manual dialing: first charge up with energy, to unlock the inner track, then entering the adress.) The point of origin coordinate-symbol might be recognized, by the position of the ring (The inner track cant be dialed unless the gate is charged by a power-source so the point of origin would be likely the symbol on top of the gate, this explains why the inner ring of the gates seen on other planets is on different positions, even when there is a dhd and the inner track never dialed manually since the gates were placed). it would be possible, since the position of a planet can be calculated with the symbols (In "the Quest" Baal stated that he tried to get to the planet via ship by calculating the coordinates with the glyphs of the adress, but the planet was hidden by Morgan le Fay ) the sg-teams already know, what symbol is needed even before sending a malp, simply by looking at the star-map in the controll room. on the prison-planet Hadante, where they found Linea for the first time, there wasnt a dhd with the gate and they were sent there from an other planet, carter might have been able to calculate the location of hadante with the symbols used to send them, if she has seen it when they were sent through, or, since the only power source were lineas plants and it dont seems, that she tried to dial out manually (she said it isnt possible to calculate this due to the number of possible combinations) so the gates inner track might still have been in its original position with the point of origin on top. And you said "you don´t have a DHD, or the one you have is broken": You would still be able to find the point of origin on a broken dhd due to the position of the unique symbol, unless the dhd was originally on a different planet (in a different area of the galaxy) which means the the button of the dhd wont dial the correct point of origin. (When you use the abydos-dhd on chulak, you wont be able to dial an other planet with the three-moon-symbole as point of origin since this symbol is only engraved in the button, but the dhd might have the same programming as the other dhds so you have to press serpents caput button as 7th symbole while the "three moon"-button is only needed when the aquila-glyph is part of the destinations adress).
When Earth receives an incoming wormhole, the inner ring spins, but i havent seen where it stops. On some ocasions, when a sg-team comes in, the inner track was in a position where the at-symbol was not on top, probably the aries-symbol is on top. It might be possible, that the gate, when unlocked, spins to its point of origin-coordinate if it receives an incoming wormhole. (If gates were placed with their point of origin on top it would be possible, because the only way to spin the inner track is to charge the gate first, and if one dials an other planet the last symbol is the point of origin, so the point of origin is on top when the gate is discharged by the wormhole and locked again, or if one charges the gate and simply spins the inner track to an other glyph, the gate is still charged an spins back to its point of origin ) My theory might or might not be correct, but have you ever seen a stargate with a different set of glyphs? (If yes please show me the picture) sg-27 --84.150.155.230 16:33, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


You are right, although I did not forget the fact that the inner ring does not spin, I did forget to take into account. Technical details aside, it seems to me that any attempt to further the argument would only add complications. Above all, I appreciate the law of parsimony. A theory should explain the most facts by introducing the least amount of additional unknowns possible. The way I see it, there are just too many "perhaps" and "maybe". There are an infinite number of possible theories we both could conjure, all of which would not contraddict any canon facts. But non-contraddiction is not sufficient. Among all those infinite theories, the most valid is not just the one that creates the less contraddiction, but the one that requires the less additional hypotheses. Right now, such parsimonious theory is the already accepted one of the origin symbol being engraved on the gate itself. We're all familiar with it, we're all used to it, and we're quite happy with it: no, I've never seen a gate with an unique symbol on it, but I've gotten used to see it with my mind's eye whenever I saw an AT Symbol on an off-world gate. And, as you can see for yourself, any such occurrence is duly noted in the Background Notes of many (if not all) of the relative episodes.
Secondly, what bothers me the most is the lack of canonicity in your theory. In the end, nothing is true or false, unless stated explicitly on the show, making it canon. The example you provided regarding Hadante is perfectly fitting: if figuring out the home symbol had been an issue, I would've expected one of the characters to explicitly say it. I would've expected a dialogue on the lines of:
"How do we figure out the point of origin symbol?"
"Well, if the gate has been left unused all this time, it must still be at the top!"

It would've been an interesting plot point too (something very precious to the writers, considering they're always looking for inspiration to write meaningful dialogue). But no such references ever take place. Everything points to the fact that all they had to do was take a quick look at the gate's track, and identify the unique symbol there. Not a plot point at all, so it goes unmentioned in the dialogue. Parsimony at work.
Thirdly, I don't feel very convinced that the AT Symbol would be on every single gate, and be utterly useless on every one of them except one. It's like developing a line of computers, all of which have a huge button on the front, which only works if the computer is located on Tonga Island, NZ. With all due respect to Tonga, it just wouldn't make sense.
All this said, I would like to add that although I don't agree with your theory, I'm very much impressed by it. I admire your dedication to finding an alterntive.--ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 20:19, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I dont agree with the "point of origin on top"-thing, but your theory about the point of origin represented by an coordinate-symbol makes sense. We know, a standard-adress contains 6 coordinates for the destination followed by the point of origin. I always wondered, why the stargate needs a point of origin to be entered, since there should be only specific symbol on each gate (sun with pyramid for earths alpha gate, moons for abydos): The purpose of these symbols were said to tell the gate, where the starting point for the wormhole is, but if the last symbol is always the same symbol regardles of its position (If transported to another planet the alphagate would still use the at-symbol) Why one has to enter the point of origin, when the gate already knows its position??? Yes there are still 8 chevron adresses and the point of origin might be a sort of Enter-Button, with the purpose to tell the gate, that the adress is complete and no 8th smbole is needed, but since the gate needs a special crystal in the dhd or a specific program within the dialing computer to enter an extra chevron, this might not be true. When sg1 dialed an asgard-planet for the first time the gate draws power from the system before dialing starts and in all episodes beside the first dial to ida the chevrons activate clockwise (with a 7-glyph-adress the gate engages the 3 on the right side, skips the 2 at the bottom, and then activates the 3 on the left side, followed by the top, while an 8chevron adress activates the bottom-right one as the 4th chevron. So one has to tell the gate which kind of adress is used before dialing the first glyph. The theory with an coordinate as point of origin makes sense, but it is not canon (at least untill now). Your theory is also the only one that explains, why the dhd has fewer buttons than possible symbols and why the ikarus base has the at-symbol on its gate, beside the "they make the ikarus-gate believe to be the alphagate, by manipulate its programming" Which i dont believe: They reprogrammed the gate very quickly, despite the fact is was the first time a specific point of Origin was needed. And why the gate accepted the alpha-symbole? the beta one should be used. And if the only gate which should be able to dial destiny is earths, why the other gates, even those that dont contain the needed symbole, have the same programming which is used to locate the destiny? Why the ancients included a program in a gate, that cant be activated? (greetings from Tonga). And the thing that At only works on Earth doesnt makes me happy. but I think there was an episode where the at-symbole was seen on a computer screen as part of a gate adress, I cant remember, which episode it was but I believe it was on an offworld base. It could be an error but according to this theory, since 1 glyph is missing, adresess that contain the current point of origin can be dialed, using the at as replacement. (For example, if anyone wants to reach abydos from chulak, since the abydos-adress contains the serpent-glyph, which is chulaks point of origin). But there is no proveso we will never know. The thing with aries being the location of earth seems to be correct, at least with klorels ship and the beta dhd, but in watergate the alphagate is used wiht the egypt dhd. (I hadnt seen this episode, so I dont know which glyphs were used, can anyone who posesses the dvds check which glyphs are dialed, or at least if one of them was on aries place at the dhd?)

lloyd --80.226.16.156 20:02, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Windows 7 Edit

They have a windows 7 commercial where a guy sits down at his computer and watches SGU (about 5 seconds it's shown on screen). It's the part in Air, Part 1 when Icarus Base explodes, and it zooms out to show the Ha'taks in orbit. I thought that was pretty cool that they actually used Stargate and not some other show :) It seems like the first time they've ever done something like that for Stargate. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 08:18, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

A bit of role reversal there. Usually it's the TV shows with ads in them instead of ads with TV shows in them. Just last week, Fringe whored itself out to Ford. MolocKal'el T | C - 08:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I found the video [3]Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 04:13, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Enemy Using Older Goa'uld Ships Edit

Looking at the image of the Ha'taks in orbit of the Icarus Base planet blowing up, the Ha'taks present are the oldest model seen-as in the ones Apophis, Klorel and Ares used. Key differences are that the Pel'tak level on the exterior is less pronounced on this model and that the outer structure is more round than on the latest models. The Lucian Alliance has the later models in their possession as do the Free Jaffa Nation. Here is a piccie [4] There is a big possability that no-one here has considered...What if the Goa'uld managed to covertly take over the Lucian Alliance as a means of a comeback. Get the galaxy addicted to Kassa and they'd be at your mercy like never before.--Jnadreth (talk) (Contribs) 15:00, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Protected from EditingEdit

There are a number of typos in the Plot section, especially in the second half. I signed up for an account in order to fix them, but apparently, "This page has been locked to prevent editing." There's nothing on the talk page about it. Can anyone tell me why editing is locked? Could someone who has permission to edit take care of the typos? In particular:

  • Paragraph 10: "TJ, rushes to his aid" should not have the comma.
  • Paragraph 17: Towards the end of the paragraph, "...the problem could with the address' point of origin..." is missing a verb.
  • Paragraph 18: "However, Telford and him men..." should be "his men..."
  • Paragraph 18: "...the injured SG member his is caring back.." should be "he is carrying back..."
  • Paragraph 18: "...the dialing sequence for Earth while Eil suggests to Dr. Rush..." should be "Eli" instead of "Eil."

Thanks. YardsGreens (talk) (Contribs) 06:49, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

I've corrected the errors. If I remember correctly, you should be able to edit semi-protected pages such as this in four days. New accounts have a short waiting period before they're considered "registered". — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:06, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess that makes sense for new users to have to wait. Any idea why this article in particular is semi-protected, though? YardsGreens (talk) (Contribs) 10:07, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
No idea. Probably some long forgotten edit war with anons. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 18:21, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

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Notes Addition Edit

Can Someone add to the notes that it took them about 5 minutes to travel from icarus gate to destiny gate, most likely because of the distance. I know this because Carter says that the gate was active for a full 6 minutes but it was only active for about 1 minute after the first person came through the gate. (I don't know how to edit, and im new so i probably cant edit yet)

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