Talk:Air, Part 1

HAHAHA. I immediately thought "come on...the air article again?" I guess the article is important...just not in the way we thought. —Ka&#39;lel 17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OH MY GOD... CRAZY!!!!! That is so funny. I hadn't even realized. I mean honestly, what are the chances... wow.&mdash;Anubis 10545 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I bet they wont end up calling it air by the time they show the first series Sman789 19:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully they don't. I'm fairly certain it's just a working title though.&mdash;Anubis 10545 23:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Yah, they'll probably change it to latin or something, like a lot of atlantis episodes. And episode 4, Earth, will probably be called Terrafirma, or something like that.

Info
This link from Gateworld has some pretty interesting info from "Air".&mdash;Anubis 10545 04:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Attack
After looking at our article about the Jaffa Nation and how (after Counterstrike) it's not too crazy about the Tau'ri, it could possibly be the free Jaffa Nation that attacks Icarus Baes... opposed to the Lucian Alliance. Just thought of that...&mdash;Anubis 10545 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess that the attack were not made by the Free Jaffa Nation but the Lucian Alliance. As we all know the conflict between Tau'ri-Lucian Alliance war crumbled at the end of Stargate SG-1 season 10 series and subsequently never heard of them in Stargate Atlantis, however there must be a change in leadership/coup after Netan assassination by Odai Ventrell as Odai mention that he came to replace Netan before killing him. In addition after reviewing Stargate Universe Season 1 edit by Matthew R Dunn, I realised that there is a relation between the attack and also in some episode of Stargate universe. The episode I suspect that might mention the Lucian Alliance could be the pilot episode Air, Earth, Sabotage, Subversion and Incursion Part 1 and Part 2. Though this had not be confirmed in any source either from by MGM, director or actor of Stargate Universe, this is what I might expect to be aired in those episode. Plus if we review what Brad Wright say that the character in Stargate Universe would be the heroes and villain in the series, in other word there might be a spy for the Lucian Alliance among the Destiny Crew that prompted the attack on Icarus Base. Hope we will know it soon who is it when the pilot episode aired on Oct 2. --Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 16:58, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Apparently Carter knew as much as we did, because she said that her best guess was that it was the Lucian Alliance, but no one could know for sure. Even more oddly, they were annihilated when the Icarus Base planet exploded, so not only is there only a low chance that we'll ever find out, and now it doesn't seem to even matter that much and the enemies almost seemed to only serve as a plot device. Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 03:13, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

what i found stupid was that there were a few ha'taks yet the hammond should have obliterated them with the asgard plasma beam weapons.

Video Clip
I've noticed, when I try to watch the video clip on the "Air" article either on the page or on You Tube, it keeps saying "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions" What does this mean, was the video deleted or what? —24.210.114.224 23:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's mean youtube hates you. Well, it hates me too. I guess it avalable only in US or something --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 04:04, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * That means exactly what it says. They've put a copyright restriction on it so that only users from the United States can watch it. If you live in the States and are still getting this message, that's another issue and I don't know how to solve it. I live in Canada and didn't have this problem before, but I do now. Which means a representative from either SyFy or MGM contacted someone from Youtube/Google and they placed the restriction on the video. However, an easy fix is to go to Youtube, search "Stargate Universe" (or something like that) and sort by newest videos first. Look for videos that are 5 minutes long or have the title you're looking for. There will be a few different people uploading the same video and others most likely won't have the restriction on them (at first). Here's one that works at the moment: click here. Or you could try a site other than Youtube. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 04:10, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I live in the US and I still get that message. Oh well... Although you really only need to see it once :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 05:20, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the video with one that currently works and actually has better sound quality than the previous version. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 15:45, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

MGM has taken down the second video that was linked and there is no immediate replacement on any of the wikia supported video sites. The show airs in just over two weeks anyways, but if the clip is found again it can always be re-added. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

What to do next?
OK, since the premiere is almost here, what should we do about the episode page. The way I see it, there are three options; Out of all those, I'd rather split all three of them to make it easier for all of us. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) (Contribs) 14:03, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Keep it as one, but it'll get big when a detailed plot would be added.
 * 2) Since the first two parts air as one, we could make a seperate page for part 3, while parts 1 & 2 keep the same page (same tactic used in Lostpedia) Or...
 * 3) Just simply split them to all three episodes.
 * Looking back through the wiki, we seem to split same-title episodes much more than we keep them together, so splitting the article into three parts is fine. That said, keeping it a single article doesn't hurt either. There's nothing wrong with long, detailed pages, I mean, Wookieepedia and Memory Alpha are full of them. Besides, that's what the table of contents and subheadings are for. So I don't think splitting up the page would make it any easier, as we'd have to triple sections like the infobox, references, notes, etc. As a bonus, a long, detailed page would make for a good featured article which could bring a lot of new Stargate fans, who are watching for the first time, to the site. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:09, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Most logical is to split this article into two - part 1&2 fnd part 3. Just like they will be aired --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:10, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Any way is fine with me. Although, we have Children of the Gods and Rising as one episode... although that's primarily because no one has taken the time to split them up :). But I agree with Ka'lel's assessment above about keeping it as one larger detailed article.


 * However, if we were to split it up, it seems as though having three separate articles makes the most sense. I don't know this for certain, but when they run Air in reruns.... eventually... like syndication... they will probably break it up into three, one hour segments. Otherwise, it seems as though that there would only be Air parts 1 and 2... excluding the 3rd entirely. Although, at this point, I am leaning more towards keeping it as one larger article... but breaking it up with subheadings like we have done with Rising and Children of the Gods.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:23, September 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a really good point about syndication. I don't think we should split it by 1&2 and 3, but I am ok with splitting it into three, or keeping it as one. I'm going to start a poll and we'll close it on September 30th. We'll go with what wins out, hopefully we'll have a good number of votes. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 02:28, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

POLL CLOSED How shall we split the Air article? Leave it as a single, long article (4 votes, 28.6%) Split it into three parts (9 votes, 64.3%) Split it into two parts (1&2 and 3) (1 vote, 7.1%)

Thanks to everyone for your votes. The result is that we will split the Air article into three parts.

So, just a reminder of what needs to be done: Add something to the list if I've forgotten it. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 17:29, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Split Air into Air, Part 1; Air, Part 2; and Air, Part 3.
 * Turn Air into a disambiguation page, similar to The Siege.
 * Make sure, where applicable or important, that articles that reference Air, now reference the specific part of the episode instead of the disambiguation page.


 * Split Category:Images from Air into each part, when we know which go where.
 * Split cast section of infobox into each part, when we know which go where. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 22:35, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

"Scene" from Universe
I read a Gateworld review of "Air" today, and saw a mention of an "adult" scene in it. This better not be another "Children of the Gods" all over again. —Wraithdead11 (talk) (Contribs) 14:32, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anything wrong with that scene in CotG. It didn't add anything to the episode, but it certainly didn't take anything away either. SG-1 began on Showtime, which is not a basic cable channel and censorship was much more lax, allowing nudity and language. Syfy is a cable channel and will definitely NOT allow any nudity or language more questionable than "damn", especially considering SGU is a primetime show. In short, other than the obvious violence that there will be, you don't have to worry about your kids watching the episode. The adult content most likely refers to a sex scene by cable standards. On a side note, I've always respected BSG for introducing the word "frak" as a way around censorship. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 15:17, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Haha that scene in Air was just a surprise to me. :P Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 06:38, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * It was a very random and out of place scene. -Ka&#39;lel (talk) (Contribs) 06:45, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Kind of. Although I guess you could say that it "set the mood" for how the show's going to be... just so it won't seem out of place later if they choose to do it again. And by it I mean a sexual scene... not the act of... never mind :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 06:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Suicide?
They said there would be a suicide but I don't know if Senator Armstrong's self-sacrifice to buy the others more time would count as that suicide or not. Thoughts? Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 03:15, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well he was already dying, that's the true reason he sacrificed himself. From what he was dying was never made clear, but loosely yeah it counts as suicide. Given the stress they are under though, it's a possibility someone else may decide to commit suicide to spare themselves the ordeal. My money would be on the daughter of the senator, she seems the most obvious right now and has no real skillset that's important for survival. My second choice, Rush himself as the song he played invoked tears and his wife must've died of some ailment by the focus on her picture. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) (Contribs) 04:19, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think the senator was really as such dying. He had bruised ribs which isn't fatal, but he had to take medication for his bad heart that contained blood thinners and that could cause him internal bleeding, but at the same time he probably would have had problems with his heart if he hadn't.  He was just screwed either way.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 17:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would make sense... but they seem to be pushing both Chloe and Rush as main characters, so story-wise I find that unlikely to happen.Byakuya Truelight (talk) (Contribs) 14:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Senator Armstrong was bleeding internaly and he was condemned because of the lack of medicine and medical stuff onboard the ship.--LIMAFOX76 (talk) (Contribs) 20:52, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

The Earth's point of origin on the Icarus Base gate
I was wondering, what's the Earth point of origin symbol doing on a non-earth gate? Shouldn't the gate on Icarus Base have the usual 38 symbols plus the unique 39th symbol as point of origin? Ie. the one they tried to lock as 9th symbol the first time? The one that looks suspiciously like Orion? I thought we had agreed since SG-1 times that every milky way gate had a constant set of 38 constellations plus an unique point of origin... Except maybe the Alpha and Beta gates... but that's "a long-lasting production error" (quote taken from the Stargate Wiki article on "Solitudes"). --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * They hacked DHD with dialing computer so they can input anything they want to input into gate. I think Ancients made Destiny unreachable by common methods --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 20:10, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, but that's not what I meant. The symbol does appear on the computer... but it also appears engraved on the spinning corona! Here, left of the top chevron: It's a screenshot from Air, about at the end of the first dialing attempt. I wouldn't consider it a CGI graphics mistake, considering this shot was not from stock footage, as demostrated by the original suspeded power feeders above the gate, in that same screenshot. The unreachability by common methods is dictated by the exceptional amount of energy necessary, not by the point of origin. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 20:26, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Eli was speaking about combination, like a word and not like constellations as a classic dialing sequence.--LIMAFOX76 (talk) (Contribs) 20:53, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not arguing the combination of the symbols. We agree that once we talk about a 9 symbol code, the constellations lose the meaning of coordinates they have in a 7 symbol address. What I argue is that the Tau'ri point of origin symbol should not be engraved on a non-earth gate. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 20:57, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll wait a while to see if there are any more objections, otherwise I'll add this inconsistency in a Trivia or Notes section of the article. --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 12:08, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * The even bigger problem for me was that it was the Alpha Gate point of origin, which was a gate Ra brought to Earth after the Ancients left. So if it was indeed a code that had to be dialled to reach the Destiny, why the heck didn't they use the Beta Gate point of origin, which was the original gate used by the Ancients? &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 16:46, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Realy, are we sure Ra broght Alpa Gate to Earth? --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 17:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of it at first though but after looking at the three currently point of origin for earth, which were found on the Alpha Gate, Beta Gate and the Atlantis Gate I might suspect that all three point of origin could be use to dial the ninth chevron address. Though the Beta Gate was lost, the point of origin still remained for earth and the same can be concluded for the Atlantis Gate. Though this had not been proved in the series this what I speculate based on the detail in this Stargate wiki. Also if the previous three point of origin work in dialing the ninth chevron as a code, I might suspect that the Stargate point of origin in Klorel Hatak and in the ZPM Hive ship could also work too when its was orbiting Earth at that time before attacking Earth. --Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 17:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, Piramid with sun is just a symbol, with the same meaning


 * None of this (albeit interesting) discussion answers the question of what was a unique point of origin symbol doing on a gate that is not the Alpha gate. Note that I would be wondering the same thing had the Icarus gate born the mentioned symbols of the Beta gate, or of the Atlantis gate. The matter is simple enough: the pyramid symbol does not belong on a gate that is not the Alpha gate! Any discussion is pure speculation! --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 08:41, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * So your problem is the "AT" on the more gate than the one from earth. Well it is not the first time. Do you remeber third season? the episode "New Ground"? Bedrosians found their gate and it is clearly visible in the very first shot of the episode that "AT" is on that gate. While i agree with you that each gate should have a 38 same symbols and one unique, during the show itself we could see that it is realy not the case because we were able to see few whole offworld dialing and none of the points of origins were unique (now i could only remeber the episode in season six where prometheus crashed on tagrea, in the end of the episode carter dials the earth and we could clearly see the seventh symbol). So If I were you I wouldnt bother about this, It is only show and it is not perfect. It is the same nonsence as in the last episode of Atlantis and its "reconfiguration of pegasus gate.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 09:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do agree with the MST3K Mantra (Repeat to yourself it's just a show/You should really just relax). And I am aware of the appearance of the "AT" symbol on several other gates. It has been stated (eg. on the article on the Beta gate on this very same Wiki) that this should be considered a production mistake. And I've never had any problems with this kind of mistake... except when it crucial to the plot! "Air" is effectively the first time where an AT symbol on a non-earth gate is funtional to the storytelling. Not easy to handwave this as a production error! Besides, let's not forget that the Icarus gate has already its own point of origin symbol! It's the one they use as ninth symbol on the first attempt, it looks remarkably like Orion... but I have no problems at looking past that and considering it another separate symbol. But the AT one is just too recognizable to look past it. This would make the Icarus gate the only gate in the galaxy with... two point of origin symbols!! It would've appeared quite remarkable in Dr. Rush's eyes, wouldn't it? --ZeframCochrane (talk) (Contribs) 19:59, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I see your point here but i think there is nothing about it that we could do, just dont think about it. I know it is stupid advice but it really helps in the cases like this or that stupid reconfiguration of dhd in the last atlantis. it is just something that cannot be explained.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 21:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

atlantis
i wonder if atlantis is still on earth? no one ever said anything about it...but it would be hard as hell to get ir back to pegasus with exactly no zpms...i wonder... Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they still have ZPMs that are charged... so they could fly it back with little problem.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:08, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * They have to look after Wraith, so I think they will return to Pegasus soon --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 07:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they will return to Pegasus soon bacause otherwise it would be a pretty crappy series of films
 * Although I though I heard somewhere that Stargate: Extinction (if they actually make it) won't be wraith-related. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:51, October 6, 2009 (UTC)