Talk:Destiny

Please someone get a picture of the Destiny and possibly its size. I'm dying to know if it's bigger than a City-ship.-Railgun88
 * While, seeing how the series (Stargate Universe) hasn't actually started yet, your going to have to wait awhile. Maybe sometime this spring.&mdash;Anubis 10545 06:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

the bridge picture
i swear i read somewhere that that was the bridge to a shuttle not the main ship....i think it was on sci-fi wire...sorry i dont know the site but its wroth someone checking just to make sure :) —Kwoosh..x 14:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're correct.&mdash;Anubis 10545 23:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

impossible, how can the hyperdrive possibly be interstellar? it's following up on the first ship, visiting planets, from galaxy to galaxy. it has to be an intergalactic one. i'm changing it for now, if there is proof that its intersteller, then it will be changed back.—SupremeCommander 05:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

oh, and it prolly has like a billion zpms/ or alt power sources powering it, as it was launched like millions of years ago. maybe even a zpm machine to mass produce them when the current one is running out of power and then replaces the used one with a new one, who knows. its gonna be pretty cool to find out its powersource.—SupremeCommander 05:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Pfft, does it look like they have anything made of crystals in there? It doesn't use ZedPMs. I'd even wager that ZedPMs weren't even invented when they built it... Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 08:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot reveal the extreme details of the vessel but I can inform you that the ship is chevron shaped. The two sides are concave and curved inwards and is a very simplistic in shape design. In addition the vessel is extremely large, estimated to be at least 3 times longer than an Ori Mothership, and almost equally as wide (3 times as wide). --Ccheng21 06:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Earlier Ship
Does anyone know what's the name of the ship that goes ahead and places the stargates? It is in essence a Stargate Seeder Ship. A picture would be cool too. :) -Railgun88 04:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The ship's name has not yet been released. As for an image, we'll have to wait until the series airs to get some screencaps... unless they show the ship in promos or they release some early. Either way, it won't be for a while... probably at least until this summer.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Although, I found This image that possibly shows a corridor of the inside of the destiny. At the very least, it's also a very creepy picture of Carl Binder.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't really look that ancient, the one thing about that race is that everything they build, even their warships, have cool interiors. Sman789 17:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I know why the team can't gate home. The ninth chevron tells the gate to dial the Destiny, right? Well, the Destiny can't dial back because it's always on the move so it's point-of-origin would be invalidated quickly. Not to mention that since the ship was constructed much earlier than Atlantis, I don't think it was programmed with Earth's address.

And a question: if the Destiny goes through multiple galaxies, how can the gate always work? It constantly recalibrates itself to local coordinates or what? And if the ship goes from planet to planet, how can it dial to THAT particular planet (since the two are very close together)? Or maybe it was never designed to dial out at all?--Amitakartok 14:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that it's on a pre-programmed course so it can always calculate the location of a galaxy with a known network reletive to itself. Perhaps the stargate doesn't dial the normal way, it might just be linked to the ship's navigation computer and fire a wormhole in the general direction of the milky way. I bet they can't dial back because of power, that seems to be the normal reason for not being able to do things on Stargate. Sman789 16:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Weapons and shields
I wonder if the Destiny has any weapons (it is safe to assume that it does), most likely drone weapons, or maybe the Ancient equivalent of Asgard Beam Weapons, or maybe even a weapon similar to the Lantean Defense Satellite's main weapon, except with a much faster recharge rate. It obviously has to have shields or the first alien attack will destroy the ship completely. Maybe the crew will eventually be able to override the navigational controls and soup up the hyperdrive to possibly make it back to the Milky Way within a few weeks. KillerofWraith009 21:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * After viewing some clip regarding destiny, I realise that the Destiny is equiped with some form of defence system as I could see something look like a gun turret. (You guys try and view the opening clip of when the Destiny stop from FTL travel where it went nearest the ship hull where we could some structure that look like gun turret) I am not sure if there is more about it.--Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 21:51, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

It has orange pulse weapons, I saw the Sky1 interview thingy that showed after the premiere and there were some clips of it firing, and something sbout powering it up was incredibly risky. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Locations
I made it so the page more closely mirrors the Atlantis page. I have no doubt the Destiny will be as much a character in the series as Atlantis was for SGA, if not more. The locations aren't linked just yet as they'd probably stay red links until the fall. These are all confirmed locations from the MGM website. The "Nexus room" has me curious. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel 05:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm done for now. I think I'll write a bit about the door control systems, but it doesn't seem important enough to have its own page, so I'll leave that til tomorrow to figure out. And by the way, all the new information I've added is from the official MGM website. I first got Photosynth while taking part in a contest for the movie "Angels and Demons" and I honestly never thought I'd use it again, but here we are.  The images in this thing are so unbelievably high res, you can zoom right in on the grain of the walls and inspect every inch of that new DHD.  Enjoy. —Ka&#39;lel 06:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Steampunk?
Designe of Destiny interior looks like something steampowered, isn't it?


 * Not even remotely. No wood panels, no brass, no giant gears or bellows... 69.196.138.184 01:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do know what you mean, if you put windows and seats in the coridoors then it could look a little like an old steam train Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 02:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Stargate Production
If the Destiny was ment to seed the universe with stargates, it probably just wasn't filled with stargates. Most likely, it clones materials like naquadah and crystals from base samples of the materials, and then maybe, just maybe, we'll be able to see a stargate production line. YAY! (and, if the crew gets back, earth could build stargates!)

And how would they get the stargates down, maybe automated shuttles? Or maybe they're beamed down? Beamed down inside...pedastals. (IDK, every damn stargate in sg1 was in a pedastal, and the destiny probably visited the milky way in the past)


 * well you have to take into account the fact that THIS SHIP ISNT THE SEEDER SHIP its the ship that comes after to see how everything turned out

why does the gate spin? Ancients think it would look cool? and if it so, wouldn't your relative location change on exit? like if you walked through, and the BOTTOM of the gate was on the top, would you fly out up side down? 64.7.166.10 13:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

FTL But Not Hyperdrive?
It is stated in the first SGU episode that the ship is travelling faster than light but not using hyperdrive, I dont see the reasoning of why the show's creators would want to establish that Destiny uses a propulsion method different than Hyperdrive
 * Becouse they can. Also, I always thought that stargate wormhole could not be established from hyperspace --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:33, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * They can't it the Stargate is moving large distances... like past a star system. But when the Tau'ri dialed in, Destiny wasn't in "FTL".—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 18:37, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * It probably was, but I think 9th chevrone dials exact gate, not a coorinates, so it may connect even fast moving gate --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:41, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't. After they arrived, the ship went FTL. At the end of the episode, it dropped out of FTL then the gate dialled.--Amitakartok (talk) (Contribs) 18:49, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, you was right. Now I remember this "acceleration effect". I saw it, right --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:50, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I mean, it says in the article that an incoming wormhole disengages the FTL drive, meaning it was on until they dialed and was probably shut off so they could keep a stable connection or something. They have to use a type of drive that keeps them in real space because hyperspace is basically another dimension shut off from everything else. That is why you can travel through planets, but also why you can't use a Stargate. Therefore, the obvious reason for it's usage is so the Ancients could get to the ship, and they needed the ninth chevron for a specific gate so that they could connect with it going at these high speeds. What the heck is the drive? I don't know. It would be impossible for any type of normal propulsion to accelerate past light speed, let alone light speed and the relativity effects here seem like they might be an issue. My best guess would be it uses something along the lines of a tachyon drive or maybe a warp drive from Star Trek. I just hope they explain it and don't ruin everything for me by trying to pull off faster-than-light sublight engines. That would just ruin my day completely. --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 23:48, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's so that it can actually scan things and create star charts, I mean there's not much point in going that far if you're not actually getting any info from it. Sensors don't work in Hyperspace. 77.86.44.157 01:05, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

What i think is that it uses similar technology to what carter did in grace. She created a hyperspace bubble around the prometheous, and this was able to move around like in hyper space, while not in hyperspace. The destiny may use a more advanced version of this, and the...bubble (bubble?) around the ship looks similar to that in grace. Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:43, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

No she was not moving in hyperspace. It was a subspace bubble in Grace. She used the hyderdrive engines to create a subspace bubble to negate the effects of the nebula on the sublight engines. The Destiny uses something similar to Warp, space is compressed infront of the Destiny and expanded in the rear, propelling the Destiny through space at superluminal speeds. --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 21:32, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ship creation and launch in timeline
In the first episode, it's established that the Destiny was launched from Earth, "hundreds of thousands of years ago" (Dr. Rush). Where does this fit in the Ancient timeline? The level of technology aboard Destiny and the Stargate itself seems to predate anything else we've seen from the Ancients. Here's my interpretation:

Millions of years ago: Hundreds of thousands of years ago:
 * 1) Alterans split into Ancients and Ori (Stargate travel probably doesn't exist)
 * 2) Ancients leave for Milky Way (Stargate travel might exist in early stages)
 * 1) Ancients create and launch Destiny and seeder ships with earliest known version of Stargate
 * 2) Technology evolves to Milky Way gate level (seen in SG-1)
 * 3) Technology evolves to Pegasus gate level (seen in Atlantis)
 * 4) Ancients ascend

Sound right? Cheers. - 19:40, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they started stargate seeding experiment between arrival in Milky Way and departing to Pegasus. They were looking for galaxies to research and colonize and Pegasdus was one of many --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 20:11, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * So we can assume Atlantis looked much closer to the Destiny before it left for Pegasus and became what we know today. Very interesting. - 20:17, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I not sure I understood you, but Atlantis is a colony-ship, it's not exploration ship --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 20:31, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just thinking of technology level. Atlantis was probably close to Destiny in terms of Technology before they left for Pegasus, and therefore in look too (ie. Steampunk). The same goes for the Stargate aboard Atlantis, it was probably one similar (if not the same design) as the one on Destiny. This is all speculation though, and these are just wild guesses. Cheers. - 20:37, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're missing his point. A cruise ship looks radically different from a naval destroyer, both inside and outside, because their purposes are also radically different. No doubt the aesthetic differences between Destiny and Atlantis are for similar reasons - Atlantis was a city, where civilians lived. Destiny was an exploration (possibly with military applications too) ship, doubtfully the kind of place where children were raised and lives were lived out. There's also the possibility that, despite Star Trek insisting the opposite, not all alien cultures are homogeneous. Different designers, from different places and times, might have ideas - how many buildings or cars look identical in your country, after all? Ancient architecture seems to change from one minute to the next throughout the franchise (as does Asgard, actually - the Goa'uld are the only really consistent race I can name when talking about design, now that I think about it).88.104.235.228 21:16, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but there's a certain progression you can see in the design of ship systems. Scott stepped into an elevator in Air, whereas Jinto stepped into a transporter in Hide and Seek. Doors on Atlantis open with the wave of a hand, doors on Destiny require you press a button. I think the designs are more than simply aesthetic. Even the Stargate design seems to have a progression, and I personally believe it is the earliest design we've seen. At first, the whole thing spins, then tech advancements mean only an the inner ring needs to, then further advancements means it doesn't need to spin at all. My point was that maybe Atlantis, at one point, looked more like Destiny or this Alteran ship; had Destiny's style gate on it; had elevators, not transporters; had manual doors and CO2 scrubbers, etc.  - 21:40, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Explored Destiny
The Expedition should fix the damaged parts of Destiny? For there are certainly more things to discover in those damaged areas. Possibly more advanced technology such as weapons or other so far unknown Ancient technology. And it would be cool if they could reach the engine room. It would be cool.

Destiny's power source??
How can Destiny back his power again? And what's Destiny force for something? Is it a ZPM-drived generator or is there some kind of subrymd energy generator?--DannyJackson (talk) (Contribs) 21:00, October 23, 2009 (UTCo

The most logical conclusion is that the Destiny used its ram scoops to collected hydrogen plasma to fuel fusion reactors. There would be no other reason for it to travel that far down into the atmosphere of a star, considering that if it would use heat in some way, the Corona is hotter than the lower atmosphere. --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 22:10, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * They did enter the star to replenish their reserves, but nowhere does it say it's hydrogen plasma or that those things that emerged from Destiny are ram scoops. All that was said in the episode is that Destiny is solar powered. Hell, Bussard Collectors are a Star Trek term. If you can prove canonically that what we saw were ramjets, then that can be added to the article. But according to Bussard ramjet, ram scoops are invisible electromagnetic fields. Until then it's speculation and for all we know, they could be awesome solar panels, or Solar thermal collector. The latter being just as feasible, considering their next problem is water supply. - 22:17, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Physical ram scoop collecting deuterium or hydrogen is most likely, theirs no possible way that solar or solar thermal could provide any meaningful power a ship with power requirements that high. Its also possible that the ram scoop could filter out the heavier trace elements to replenish stores of those as well. —83.104.138.141 08:27, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I will concede that it's most likely, but until there is a canon source calling them ram scoops, it should stay off the page because it's just fan speculation. - 08:58, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright I give up. -Ka'lel

Then what should they be called? Unnamed fuel collection devices? --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 21:29, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know what they're called, how they work, and we've barely seen them in action. Therefore, we have way too little info to create a meaningful article (which is why I deleted the previous Ram scoop article, in part). In other places we would reference the device (such as the Destiny or Solar power articles), we will simply not reference them by name and instead describe it by saying something along the lines of: "Destiny is capable of absorbing and utilizing solar energy directly from stars", to get the point across without referencing a made-up name. No name will be applied to them as none is needed. In an infobox, we may simply state that the ship is "Solar powered" and uses a form of "Solar panels".—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 21:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well wouldn't calling them a form of Solar Panels be speculation as well? Solar panels as we know them from real life and Atlantis are devices that absorb photons. We do not know, canonically, what the Destiny absorbed other than "energy", so why not call them "Energy Collectors" for now? --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 01:56, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, "solar panels" is also speculation. I honestly didn't notice it in the infobox and the page is currently locked so I'm unable to edit it, but it should not be there. I don't have a problem with "energy collector", it's not canon but that's what they are. It's been repeatedly stated that SGU will follow a more connected, single arc season design. Every episode thus far has been directly linked to the last. For that reason and from what I've seen in clips and promos of the next episode, I believe that the water supply issue is not unrelated to the events of Light. I believe we'll see the energy collectors again and get a canon answer as to exactly what they are. A side note, Destiny was NOT fully recharged, they sit at "less than 40% of original design capacity". Source: Two minute clip from Water SPOILERS. Cheers. - 02:18, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that solar panels are speculation also. But, I mean, they are panel-like devices that collect solar energy. Hence... solar panels. But, I suppose energy collectors would be more accurate and so I'll go change it. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 02:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Destiny was constructed hundreds of thousands of years ago, NOT millions of years ago!
Why does someone keep changing the article on destiny to read it was constructed millions of years ago, clearly as is already mentioned in the discussion page - and proved -well might I add! - that it was constructed hundreds of thousands of years ago, as millions of years ago stargate travel was barely around, perhaps not at all. It so annoying to see someone have no clue about the stargate universe - pardon the pun.
 * Neither we the viewers nor the characters on the Destiny know exactly when the ship was built. Before the episode "Light" they hadn't even seen the exterior of the ship. Not to mention, the Beta gate on Earth was theorized to be about 50 million years old. However, for an accurate assumption on when the Destiny was built one should look up when the Ancients ascended. The ship would not have been built after that. My opinion is that the ship was built hundreds of thousands of years ago, but that is only an opinion. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 12:28, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

We know that it predates the Second Exodus (Atlantis leaving Antarctica) and the Plague due to the technology level of that era. This would make it at least 5 million years old. Just a thought.--Ringworlder (talk) (Contribs) 13:15, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically, it should be millions of years old. That is the easy answer. Joseph Mallozzi admitted on his blog that they kind of f***ed up the whole thing, saying "[Rush] misspoke or was speaking sort of off-hand, assuming he wasn’t going to be called on it by a knowledgeable fan." In the posts above, I was attempting to retcon an answer based on what Rush said in the pilot episode. Unfortunately, Destiny and its systems are constantly referred to as thousands of years old instead of millions. This is all based on Rush's inital assessment of how old the ship is and hopefully show-runners notice the discrepancy and have him correct himself. "Did I say thousands? I meant millions." As an answer for the article, I posit we state both, citing Rush specifically for the "hundreds of thousands" theory.


 * "Destiny is a ship in the Ancient fleet, launched originally from Earth. Dr. Nicholas Rush estimated that it was launched "hundreds of thousands" of years ago, though it is more probable that the ship is millions of years old."


 * We can then site Joe Mallozzi's comment that Rush may have misspoke. found here. Cheers. - 16:26, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the first scene of Stargate Atlantis's episode Rising shows Atlantis on earth Millions of years ago. Rush clearly stated that the Destiny predates the technology requiring an ATA gene (which Atlantis uses). Here is the image.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:02, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

YouTube Clips
Are we allowed to embed youtube clips from the episodes in the articles? I have the scene uploaded where the Destiny entered the star and I thought that it would be a nice addition to the article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFgoqzXz-Pg --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 23:54, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly ok. However, you should make sure the video you upload is good quality. With the one you linked too, it also shows took much of the story if you just want to show how cool the ship looks going through the star. Eh, my opinion, maybe the video's not that bad. Upload it if you'd like... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 00:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sheilds
okay I'm a little confused, Destiny predates Aurora class starship and has sheilds that can withstand diving into a sun, includes massive heat, radiation, gravitonic forces, EM spikes. But they coudn't build a ship hundred of thousands (or millions) years later that could withstand a fleet of wraith ships (which couldn't have the combined force more powerful then a star)
 * It is possible that the level of technology it not the most important consideration, but rather the level of dedication put into the Destiny. The Ancients knew the ship would be going beyond their known universe and that it would need to survive on it's own. It would stand to reason they would build the aboslute best ship possible with the best materials and best available technology with no compromises. The Aurora class ships could be considered the work-truck of their fleet, designed to be very good at what they do but built with cost in mind. The Ancients had to build many warships to fight the Wraith, but only had to build one Destiny. It is also very possible that the shields were designed specifically to survive inside the atmosphere of a star. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 14:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sun is probably less dangerous environment then shot. It distributed and it's easier to absorb, probably. And, I'm not sure, but it seems shields are able to cut gravity field, like some materials cuts magnetic ones. --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 14:31, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that when the Ancients built the Auroras, they were taking a page out of the Wraith's book and trying to built as many ships as possible. They would have cut out fancy technologies such as solar shields and just put in shields designed to resist Wraith weapons (which they are obviously very good at). This may also explain why they were vunerable to Asgard beam weapons and nuclear missiles, the latter of which must not be able to do that much to a standard shield otherwise the Ancients and Wraith would use them instead of drones and crappy pulse weapons :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 02:38, October 28, 2009 (UTC)