Talk:Hive ship

where does it say that a hive only has 50 darts i thought that there is a lot more.
 * One of the DVD collection magazines.&mdash;Anubis 10545 18:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then there's a bit of a discrepency: its' quite clearly shown on the show that a Hive Ship has hundreds of the damn things and I think its even been said too

thanks

Then the DVD magazine was wrong or had a typo becuase when you watch a Hive ship as it releases its darts, it clearly shows that there are hundreds of darts.——Tau'ri 21300—Tau&#39;ri 21300 08:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I know. It's wrong in a lot of things. In one of the magazines, it says Prometheus had Lazer beam weapons. Obviously that is not true, so we didn't include that here. Although I'm not exactly sure where we draw the line... we kind of... just bot for things like the number of darts in hive-ships.&mdash;Anubis 10545 02:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If its wrong on so many things then why do we reference it as cannon. Its wrong about puddle jumper wings aswell and many others Sman789 21:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you have to get info form somewhere... although You'd really have to ask Jaymach.&mdash;Anubis 10545 03:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

who's he?
 * Um........ another admin on this site who owns all (or most of) the DVD collection magazines.&mdash;Anubis 10545 07:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Dont you think that we should just change the number of darts in a hive ship, because when you read the Wraith Dart article, it says that it carries hundreds of darts. Now we dont wanna confuse our readers don't we?—Tau&#39;ri 21300 09:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you do, it will most definitely be changed back to 50. Though it appears many people here disagree with that number, Jaymach considers the DVD magazines to be canon. The number of darts also isn't the only thing the magazines seem to have gotten wrong, but you can read and discuss the issue here. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel 15:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

A direct quote from Vegas: "We're lucky we took out the Hive as quickly as we did. Each one can carry hundreds of these things."

- Rodney McKay

So there you have it. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel 04:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Dont you think that we should base the wikia on what the show says instead of some magazine someone wrote that might not even know that much about the stargate universe?—Tau&#39;ri 21300 04:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ka'lel definitely does... and I do somewhat... but Jaymach STRONGLY opposes it. And so, we will continue to go by the magazines.&mdash;Anubis 10545 18:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If he says so!

we should just change it to unknown. and when did vegas and enemy at the gate air? i doubt it did, but then how did we get the entire plot on here?

--SupremeCommander

It says on the battle of asuras page that the wraith lost three hives but at the bottom of the hive ship article it says that only one was lost.
 * It's fixed, only one was destroyed in the battle. -- Matthew R Dunn 01:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone noe on wat parts of a hive ship wraith cruisers attach themselves to?—Tau&#39;ri 21300 04:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Wraith shields?
At the bottom of the overview there is a section of italicised text that suggests Wraith ships may have shield technology as seen in 'The Defiant One' and 'Reunion'. Is this known for certain? I don't remember seeing Wraith shields in 'Reunion', and in 'The Defiant One' the only shield I saw activated by the Wraith was on the puddle-jumper itself (when he hotwired it to prevent Sheppard re-entering his own ship). If there are shields, and I missed them, I apologise. Just wanted to check the facts. :) Wraithikins 03:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There was that captured Asuran in the Wraith research outpost in "Reunion" (which I think is the Satedan episode with Ronan's buddies right?) which was held in a blue shielded suspended in the air so there is an example of Wraith shield technology... it just does not seem to be widely deployed or used for some reason. Hope that helps. —Darth Batrus (talk) (Contribs) 10:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Number
Ok, this is confusing... somewhat. In Underground:

GRODIN: But we were able to ascertain the existence of twenty-one Wraith hive ships just in our quadrant of the Pegasus galaxy alone.

SHEPPARD: Twenty-one?!

GRODIN: And there are indications of far more elsewhere in Pegasus.

SHEPPARD: How many more?

GRODIN: Well, there's no way of knowing for sure. Perhaps sixty, or more.

then...

SHEPPARD: I'd much prefer to know what we're up against than not.

WEIR: Sixty ships, or more.

SHEPPARD: I just hope they don't all come at once.

Grodin could mean either 60 ships total (which would justify Weir later saying 60) or 21 plus 60 (in which case weir misspoke). —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 00:44, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I see five possible explanations: Weir was misinformed. Weir misspoke. Weir was being more conservative in her estimates versus Grodin's. The writer forgot what number he wrote in one scene and wrote the wrong number in the next. The writers decided to change the number before airing but after writing and messed up the two references. Assuming the information in the episode is correct and not a writing error (which I think most likely, actually), I think listing 80 in the article makes more sense, since 21 in one quadrant of the galaxy would extrapolate to 80 total for the galaxy and 21 is the only hard number given from data in-universe.


 * I personally think the writers were being too conservative on the number but one has to remember that they were not certain on the exact number of Hive Ships. Remember, Weir said "or more" suggesting that at minimum there are 60 Hive ships but there is the possibility of many more out there. Just my thought there. —Darth Batrus (talk) (Contribs) 10:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * if hive ships are so comparatively rare, why are they so ridiculously underpowered? —— 23:35, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

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Wraith do possess some elements of shield technology though do not seem to employ them on a large scale. Because rodney said the wraith's disadvantage is power output in "enemy at the gate"

image
the current picture aint very clear imo i cant even tell what part is the front/back of the ship from it —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 03:27, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, unfortunately, they havn't really shown a good and proper shot of a hive ship. So... that's the best we have. A straight-down view would be nice, but the closest we've come to that is this... which isn't really that great either. So, for now, the current image is fine. Plus, the images throughout the article also give a feel for the layout and design of the ship. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 04:12, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * what about one from Infection right before the hive breaks in half? like here at 8:38

—Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 06:48, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for adding it —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 02:23, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 03:59, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

complement
how do these things carry cruisers do they attach them on the hull or put them inside a hangar? and can they carry both darts and cruisers — 00:31, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can carry both.Cruisers likely go in the hanger as well. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:20, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * thats odd...i can't imagine a hive carrying 3 cruisers and hundreds of darts — 06:59, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you think about it, a hive can easily fit a 304 in it (as was shown in Misbegotten). While "official" magazines may give the size of cruisers as significantly larger than 304s, the do look similar in size to 304s (... the magazines may not be portraying their "true" size. So... it might not be that unreasonable to think that 3 cruisers and darts can fit. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 01:49, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

deploying darts
In close quarter engagements, the darts were typically not launched as enemy weapon fire resulted in a high rate of death among the darts. actually i didnt think that battle was especially close-quarter, the hives seemed far apart enough to me — 06:29, March 5, 2010 (UTC)