User talk:Matthew R Dunn

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In-universe perspective
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Your Dreams
You have some pretty cool dreams. (For example your latest post on your user page). Anubis 10545 04:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC).

Wow, that dream you just posted sounds crazy. However my mind stays un-blowed, well sort of :) Anubis 10545 18:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment. Matthew R Dunn 20:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm reverting the Qetesh article back to the way I had it. My source is the movie itself: I found it on YouTube: the entire thing is there, or at least it was the last couple of nights and I watched. Excellent movie by the way.


 * That was all I need. I appreciate you telling me. :) Matthew R Dunn 20:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up after me - I'm still finding my feet here :-) Richard Jackson 14:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Please understand that I might not do it forever, because I usually have my own projects to do, just take a read at the SGCommand:Manual of Style, as this page will help you, helped me lots. :) Matthew R Dunn 15:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Genii Rifle
The picture of the Genii rifle you posted is incorrect. That is a Satedan triple-barreled rifle last I checked the Satedan rifle article did not have any pictures so you can move it there. If you can find any pictures about the rifle I was talking about and post it on the page that would greatly help. Also I would like your opinion. Those small double barreled pistols used by the Genii, but are later found by Ronon on Sateda, what should they be classified as, Genii or Satedan?User:Mckay clone 301


 * I think that both Genii and Satedan weapons are both, more or less exactly the same. So unfortunately, I honestly have no idea how to answer that question. Also, I think that both the Genii rifle and the Satedan triple-barrelled rifles are the same too. In other words, I am defending my decision about keeping the image there, but if you want to, you could move it yourself. Matthew R Dunn 17:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've put the picture back in and moved the article to the name given in Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 66. If anyone wants scans of the pages which mention the shotgun (and the pistol as well) then I'll be more than happy to scan them. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thank you. Matthew R Dunn 21:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Meredith
I realize that Rodney's first name is Meredith, but he goes by Rodney McKay and that is used much more often. As per general Wikipedia syntax, the most-used full name is the title. The full "Meredith Rodney McKay" is best suited to the first few words of the article, in bold. —Marco Polo 12:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we haven't used Wikipedia standards here for a long time. It was decided quite a long time ago (as per our manual of style that full names should always be used, even when nicknames or shorter names are more common. Wikipedia may work for real-world articles, but it's never worked very well for fictional universes whereas most other Wikia wikis use the same type of rules that we implemented here. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 12:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no reason why these two people are so unlike real people that they don't get the same treatment. I can see possible issues with characters like Teal'c, but not with someone like O'Neill or McKay. Also, as per our manual of style: "The titles of articles about individual characters should be the name by which the character was most commonly known in the the Stargate universe, with later names preferred to earlier names, and full names preferred to partial names or nicknames. Titles, such as military ranks or titles of nobility, should be omitted." That means Jack O'Neill and Rodney McKay, because that is how they are most commonly known. As I said, I acknowledge that Jack's full name is Jonathan J. O'Neill, but I think it should be at the beginning of the page, not in the title. Example from Wikipedia: Michael Dukakis. —Marco Polo 13:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Notice the full names preferred to partial names or nicknames part of that rule. I know that Wikipedia does things differently, but it was agreed upon some time back that we would not use the same rules as Wikipedia. I don't mean to sound like a "it's my way and not your way" but...it's not just my way, it was decided upon by the community at that time. That having been said, I also personally dislike Wikipedia's rules...I'd prefer that "Michael Dukakis" be at "Michael Stanley Dukakis" and that "Marilyn Manson" be at "Brian Hugh Warner" but it's been decided upon among the community of Wikipedia to have them at other names, I try not to change it. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Those rules were agreed to for a reason. The reason we use the common name even when the real name is available is for a practical reason—more people are bound to search for "Marilyn Manson" than "Brian Hugh Warner", just as more people look for "Jack O'Neill" than "Jonathan J. O'Neill". The full name is still communicated, but it emphasizes the best-known name of the person/character. The "nickname" portion of the above is there to avoid people having the page at "Jack", for example. "Jack O'Neill" is a "full name" in this context. Also, we still use Wikipedia as the basis for most of our style rules, with few exceptions. We haven't diverged to any significant degree, except for a couple Stargate-specific areas. The written point there is essentially the same as Wikipedia's version on naming conventions, with added exceptions to "strange names" (which we come across often here). "Jack O'Neill" definitely does not count as a strange name. Besides, they were "Jack O'Neill" and "Rodney McKay" for a long time. Why change it now? —Marco Polo 14:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We won't be changing it. They've been at Jonathan J. O'Neill and Meredith Rodney McKay for a while now, and I can't authorise changing them just because one person wants to when it was agreed upon by a community that they would be at their full names. And the rules were created purely to have them at their entire full name, as per what the Wookieepedia (the most successful fictional universe wiki) does. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see no record of a discussion on this, so I don't see how you can claim to have the community behind you on this one. The Star Wars wiki doesn't apply here because they have weird names which can't easily be compared to Earth names (i.e. I don't see many middle names there). I'm pretty sure that we as a community decided to base our style on Wikipedia (the most successful wiki period), which applies better to Earth names. For space names like those in Wookieepedia and the Goa'uld names like Teal'c, just saying "use the full name" works because few creatures or whatever have more formal names than common names. The Wikipedia community decided that the common name method is the best, and just because you don't personally agree with the method doesn't mean you can dictate the way things work here. —Marco Polo 14:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Jaymach did not agree, but he stopped responding. I could use another viewpoint for this, too. I don't understand why this is even a problem. This has been policy both here and on Wikipedia for years. Why has this suddenly been called into issue? (The only reason I did not mention this the first time the page was moved to Jonathan J. O'Neill was because I didn't notice at the time. I still consider it a recent change, and the fact that it was left uncorrected for a while does not make it any more correct.) —Marco Polo 02:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose you're right, it's just that since you returned, I noticed an alarming amount of pages being moved, and I thought the odd one was wrong, so I reverted the name back to its full name. I still however believe that Meredith Rodney McKay be kept that way, because he was still addressed by his first name by his sister quite often, and by some of his colleagues as a means to wind him up. Matthew R Dunn 10:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)