Talk:Earth/Archive2012

Primates First Appeared
Primates fist appeared in the fossil record on earth a little over 50000000 million years ago around the same time the Ancients arrived on earth presumably this is because of Ancients engineering life to evolve in to humans why then did it take 50000000 million years for humans to fully evolve to there present form on earth but it took less than 3000000 years for the same to take place on planets in the Pegasus Galaxy and why do no over planets that have been seeded with human life have any primate species besides humans.


 * WHAAAAAT?!? 50 billion years??? The universe didn't even exist then! You meant 50 million years, I think ("According to fossil evidence, the primitive ancestors of primates may have existed in the late Cretaceous period around 65 mya (million years ago), and the oldest known primate is the Late Paleocene Plesiadapis, c. 55–58 mya. Molecular clock studies suggest that the primate branch may be even older, originating in the mid-Cretaceous period around 85 mya."). So the Ancients arrived at roughly 85 million years ago.--Amitakartok 15:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm betting that all currently discovered life on earth is all the reevolution of life here. As in they arrived prior to all our current fossil evidence, spanned the galaxy, then had the plague, died off, Activated the Dakara weapon, wiping out all the plague and evidence of life on the planet, to let it all re-evolve from scratch, with some guidance. And as for the rate of evolution in the Pegasus, well, we dont know from what point the PEgusus people's came from, milky way, came from scratch, but the Pegusus peoples(non-ancients) could have already been at the human level(created by experiments from the Anceints, or wraith), and transplanted by the wraith to various worlds spanning the galaxy. Do they establish why there was a non-ancient/ATA gene race of humans in the pegusus, perhaps in the episode where they come accross the device that they become leaders of planets, as a long term expiriment, I dont recall the name of the episode, or the planet? Could those planets be the source of all current life in the pegusus galaxy, or did the Wraith capture Ancients, remove the ATA gene, and stuff, clone them, and generate a race of humans that were not a true threat, and seed them onto many worlds, for long term feeding?74.129.75.153 23:14, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Advanced tau'ri?????
In the info-box, is states: "Extremely Advanced (past) when occupied by the Ancients".

How does that make sense, when considering the Ancients arrived here thousands of years ago, mankind as a species was very primitive. meghunter99 13:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the Ancients themselves were extremely advanced. The Tau'ri aren't the only inhabitants of Earth. 194.75.128.200 14:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, but it just doesn't seem to fit. Humans, other than the Ancients, are the only sentient beings on the planet. And, even though the Ancients were advanced, it doesn't seem that Earth itself went through a "golden age" 5-10 thousand years ago. The Ancients were advanced, and even though they came to Earth, I don't see how that would constitute the Planet itself as being advanced. --meghunter99 14:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats like saying Lantea isnt advanced just because Flagisallus live there Sman789 16:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * But Flagisallus isn't the dominant species on the planet is it? Tiger and Lions live on Earth, buy they aren't the dominant species. Just because some race is advanced and lives momentarily on the planet Earth, doesn't necessarily mean that that implies the whole planet at that time was as advanced.--meghunter99 16:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You forget that the Ancients came to Earth millions of years ago from another galaxy before Human life had even started to evolve. Earth, at that time, was highly advanced. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir  (talk)  18:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for teh clearing up, I understand now. However, I do have one more question. You stated that the Ancients arrived "before Human life had even started to evolve." So, do we ignore the evolution of the genus Homo entirely in this universe?--meghunter99 19:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

this is what happened. the ancients fled celestis to avoid fighting the ori. after thousands of years, they found the milky way and earth was one of the first group of planets settled on by the ancients. then they built the dakara superweapon on dakara to seed life in the galaxy as it seemed to be void of life. a plague killed off millions, ancients and humans alike i'd say. and then BEFORE they left for pegasus, they used the superweapon to recreate life. they prolly built a similar superweapon in pegasus to do the same. so around the same time, life was created in both galaxies. after years of fighting the wraith, the ancients went back to earth and saw that the humans were too primative so the ancients split up. i'd say the ancients were too few in number so thats y they weren't around to stop the goa'uld and reproduce with each other.

i think its safe to say that the ancients arrived on earth after the dinosaurs got wiped out.—SupremeCommander 19:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

ok earth has several ships all Ancient and asgard knowledge and is on there way to becoming the most power full race in the universe surly it time to go public it like the roman empire suddenly developing computers all modern real world technology and keeping it secret all but a few and why do they never use in for practical stuff Naquadah and ZPM could end the world energy problems hand devices could cure most sickness

Unfortunately the longer the program is classified and the more power it gains over the universe, the greater the sheer shock it would generate from the populace if they learned the truth (I suspect it may even lead to the overthrow of the government, possibly having to do with the title of the new movie Stargate: revolution?)

North and South America
Why did you get rid of the pages for north and south america when they were exactly like the other continets?
 * Well, I guess we could have them both, but they're really not that important. Both articles (north and south America) would contain VERY little information based on the amount of info the "America" article currently has. So, it makes more since to consolidate them (sort of like we did with the Article Rising). We combined both parts one and two into a single article because (at first) there was very little information. Another reason is that most of the information regarding North and south America has really never been directly mentioned in the show. Because of this, we start to include information from out of the Stargate universe... and that's generally not what we try to do here. &mdash;Anubis 10545 05:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Points of origin
I think we can add teh Destiny PoO here, since it was its PoO when it was launched from here :3 —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 11:57, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Destiny doesn't have constant PoO, so we don't know what was the PoO at Earth! —Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 08:16, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * True. How about adding Atlantis' old gate's PoO, since the City-ship was launched from here, so it had it as a Point of Origin. Unless of course they built the gate after arriving Pegasus... —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:30, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Gate address from Destiny
Should the gate address from Destiny really have eight glyphs? Certainly SGU has established that it requires nine symbols to gate IN to Destiny, but I don't think it would require the ninth chevron to dial OUT from Destiny. Therefore, to dial back to Earth from Destiny would be an eight-symbol address, or rather seven symbols plus the point of origin. Right? 68.45.73.140 02:13, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * In Destiny's database are 8 symbol gate address to Earth, but, as we know, 8th glyph can't be a point of origin, cuz it's always changing, which means PoO is unknown (for now) and 8+PoO = 9 glyph gate address! But, sure, there are 8 symbol gate address, just no one knows it, and it's always different in different galaxies (at least I think so)! —Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 08:30, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

While the point of origin is always changing as the ship is moving, the glyph itself remains constant.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 08:33, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Do address stay the same in different galaxies, well, maybe, but they still don't know 8 symbol address and its strange anyway. —Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 09:22, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * The glyphs are able to remain constant because of an auto-update feature in the dialling device, something the SGC had to figure out and calculate for themselves. Do we know Destiny has this feature? Given the small range of the gates, there was not a lot of need to account for stellar drift. Note the short distance between Earth and Abydos required no recalibrating of the SGC's dialling device. So I think this depends on the range of the Destiny-like gates. Supertrinko (talk) (Contribs) 02:02, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be an 8 symbol address if the writers had any sense, Destiny only has nine because it is a Stargate, not a location, being dialled. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 09:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * But for now, the only source we have states that it requires a 9 chevron address to dial Earth from Destiny. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 02:11, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

No Naquada, Why colonize?
When the alterans first arrived in the milky way galaxy, why was earth the first planet they colonized? If they were planning on building a whole network of stargates, which are made almost entirely out of naquada, why did they pick earth to be the center of their glorious empire. Not to mention starships, which have a lot of naquada components, needed to be built to before a gate network could be created.

I thought they came here just to get away from the Ori? In the Ark of Truth, the dude who designed the stargates just thought up the idea as they were leaving their home galexy. —ElChristo (talk) (Contribs) 00:55, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

But they surely hoped to build civilization eventually, and naquada is an essential component to advanced soceties in the stargate universe, so why travel to earth?


 * Maybe the others needed terraforming in some way wheras Earth didn't? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 23:14, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Earth was rich in naquada and it was used to build the stargates and ships systems.
 * It would more than a little difficult to completely strip bare a planet of a material resource and leave nearly no evidence that it ever existed or that you mined it, not to mention the fact that the ancients really werent in much of a position to take their time cleaning up as their civilization was dying of plague--99.141.190.171 02:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

A planet doesn't necessarily need naquada to be a suitable choice for colonization. It could easily have just been an awesome place to settle down and build a decent seat of power. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:53, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Gate address
In Joseph Mallozzi blog was revealed gate address from Destiny to Earth, interesting that in episode "Earth" was shown a different address! Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 08:51, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Talking about Time!!!
I was reading this page and noticed that is written that Ra came to Earth 5000 years ago. But that is impossible!!!! Why??? Well, to start, the Ancients came back to Earth 10000 years ago. This would place us, in History, somewhere in 8000 b.C. (put 2000 a.C. to have 10000 years); Second: at that time, the Antartic Gate was under a big cube of ice, so, when the Ancients arrived here, they probably found themselves in the ancient Egipt (that would explain how the Time Jumper built by Janus - the one that SG-1 found in "It's Good To Be King" - have the Alpha Gate's Point of Origin); And third: when Ganos Lal met with Daniel, Vala and Elizabeth, she said that some of the Ancients "made their way to the Stargate in your Southern Pole." She would only say that if their arrival on Earth happened to be in another location but Antartica.

200.20.228.46 22:32, April 7, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo


 * Ra had ships. Surprise! --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 07:28, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know Ra had ships. I'm just talking about the time. 200.20.228.46 21:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo
 * They had ships. They came to Earth and were like "Oh, no stargate. We need stargate" So, they brought stargate from another planet. Most like along with DHD --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 21:13, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying that Ra came here by ship or not. I'm just saying that he did not come here

5000 b.C., as the article says. It's more likely that Ra came here somewhere BEFORE 8000 b.C. That's the only way I see to have the math perfect. Remember, as I said, the Ancients came back to Earth 10000 years ago (8000b.C.+2000a.C.), and the Time Jumper Janus built while he was here in the Milky Way has the Alpha Gate's Point of Origin. He could only have used the "At" symbol in the Jumper if the "new" Earth gate had the "At".200.20.228.46 22:32, April 8, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo

Too Quick too Fast?
does anybody else think that Earth has went from backward planet to the united federation of planets too fast 92.2.84.121 20:12, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Earth isn't in any sort of Federation, but they certainly have made remarkable progress into becoming the most powerful race since the Ancients completely without the knowledge of the majority of the population. It was slightly hinted that the stargate program might be closed in the future in the episode 1969. the fact that the Alpha Gate and only the Alpha gate caught the wormhole shows that no other gate was in use at the time, and seeing as the Alpha gate was in what could best be called a storeroom, this does suggest that the program is in fact closed in around a half century--99.153.32.53 00:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

i think that arriving in the storeroom was done so that SG1 wouldnt be able to tell of any technological advancements or alliances that had been made so the SGC may not have been closed
 * I agree with the original post, Earth has got too smart. Also, the people on it are too smart... I can't believe that McKay learned even the most in-depth of Ancient science (to understand stuff like Arcturus) in only about a year or something daft like that of being on Atlantis, and only about eight years of even knowing about the Stargate. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 10:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well i didn't think it was very realistic that the Tau'ri defeated the Ori, the third most powerful race in the stargate universe, in only two ears while simultaneously fighting a war with the wraith a galaxy away--99.141.192.32 16:03, May 27, 2010 (UTC


 * They used ancient technology to defeat the Ori.A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 20:39, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, while Earth does have some kickass tech, they have very few ships, so they aren't that powerfull in a galactic scale. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 17:53, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

earth large population.
in the Ark of Truth, General Landry tells the Ori Prior : that earth is the most populated Planet in the Galaxy , and the same Information is mentioned in Stargate continuum by the system Lords .and in Stargate Atlantis Earth is often mentioned as the Rich feeding Ground .so clearly we should say that earth is the largest knwon plant in both the milky way and in the Pegasus Galaxies in population. so why didn't we Say that already !!? i wrote about that earlier but my addition was removed. Care to Explain !!?Salam a arabia (talk) (Contribs) 08:13, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Jupiter is bigger, Saturn is bigger... as for habitable planets, Earth is only the most populated because it's the most developed and it's residents have never spread out to other planets, not because it's neccessarily bigger. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 09:57, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * larget in  POPULATION!!  i didn't say anything about the Size !! . Read carefully !! no other human plant in SG has 6.8 billion or more !!Salam a arabia (talk) (Contribs) 12:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * larget in  POPULATION!!  i didn't say anything about the Size !! . Read carefully !! no other human plant in SG has 6.8 billion or more !!Salam a arabia (talk) (Contribs) 12:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * larget in  POPULATION!!  i didn't say anything about the Size !! . Read carefully !! no other human plant in SG has 6.8 billion or more !!Salam a arabia (talk) (Contribs) 12:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did read carefully, but you only added the "In population" bit just now, and without it it is not clear what you meant Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Eight Symbol Address and The Constellation of Avalon
I've been thinking about something...

The eight symbol address, as we know, stablish a wormhole from a galaxy to another. And I understand that we can see this address this way: the first glyph represents the galaxy where the desirered network is, and the other six glyphs are the coordinates

of the planet (plus the point of origin of the wormhole). So I think we can say that the gate "understands" this when we dial the eight symbol address: connect with the gate on this galaxy (first symbol), which is located on these coordinates (next six symbols), having this planet as origin (PoO).

The first symbol of the address to reach Pegasus Galaxy from Milky Way is the constellation of Pegasus. If the first symbol on the intergalactic address is the galaxy we want to reach, could not we say that, when we are in Pegasus and we want to reach Earth, the first glyph that we have to dial is the constellation that is named Avalon ("Milky Way in Ancient")?189.106.149.126 22:45, July 24, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo
 * Firstly, you have to remember that the show never stated (to my knowledge) that they called Pegasus what we call it. Secondly, the first 6 symbols are for a particular planet, then 7th is PoO, unless you want to dial another galaxy, in which case 7th symbol is the extra distance calculation, and then the 8th symbol is where you're dialing from. Just because I feel like adding this in, Destiny's 9-symbol address is a CODE, not a standard address. Thirdly, the first symbol to dial Atlantis from Earth being Pegasus is most likely pure coincidence, of just a little bit of fun on the writer's part. Most likely the 2nd one. Or a combination. "Aunt Phaigus! The power bill for the whole year is $7 billion dollars!" "Oh, that's just my Stargate!" This message has been signed by Morgan! 06:36, September 26, 2010 (UTC)