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Drone Yield
What do any of you think the yield is a estimate of it. Mine would be 250 megatons.


 * You do realize that 250 megatons is almost as strong as the Mt. St. Helens blast right? As powerful as drones are, I don't think they're that powerful. —AscendedAlteran 17:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They were never meant to be powerful in that sense. They can disable ships without destroying them, thats part of the point of them, although with their drilling properties they can destroy ships quite easily too. Sman789 18:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What I'm saying is that drone weapons have nowhere near that much explosive power. As per the discussion below: most of their damage probably comes from overloading systems. —AscendedAlteran 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with that. Although for that reason I am surprised that the Ancients used drones when they attacked Asuras, I mean, they would have had nukes and stuff, or why not jut send a command for them to disassemble. Even if the Ancients couldn't just tell them to its easy enough to land on the main tower and change that central data core thing for a disassemble command in the next update (especially when the Asurans couldn't attack the strike team.) Sman789 17:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all I don't think those were drones; the movement was too linear. Second, when did the Ancients do anything in the Pegasus galaxy that made any sense at all? —AscendedAlteran 18:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

They probably give off radiation as well to disrupt ship systems. Sman789 17:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If your referring to the ability to pass through shields, then its probably more along the lines of an EM field, similar to how gateships can/could pass through Atlantis' shield. If not, don't forget that anything with its own power source gives off radiation. It is possible that drones were designed to produce more radiation than usual to disrupt systems, but once they were through the shield it really wouldn't matter. The only secondary effect that makes since incorporating into the design would be causing systems to actually overload. —AscendedAlteran 17:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean the passing through shields, I meant radiation to damage ship's systems, but like a lot of it, not just the power core stuff. Sman789 18:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think your right about that. Its probably similar to the Tollan ion cannon: most of its damage comes from causing systems to fry and the power core to overload. So its plausable that drone somehow transfer energy into the power grid and let it overload. Since the grid courses throughout the ship, massive damage can be achieved with only a few drones. —AscendedAlteran 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you think there's a difference between Ancient manufactured drones and Asuran manufactured one?


 * Yes the asuran ones use older technology because the ancients made new stuff after they (pretty much) destroyed the asurans Sman789 12:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that the Asurans made drones that are alot less advanced than the ones the ancients made. They act more like wraith energy weapons than drones because they fly more linierly. They dont seem to pass through their target repeatedly.—Tau&#39;ri 21300 12:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont think the asurans were firing drones on the ep where the tau'ri blow them all up, just energy weapons, but they were when they shot down that puddle jumper. But as I said before the ancients would have upgraded their technology after they destroyed the asurans (because they were fighting a war,) so the asurans would only have access to the older drones and shields and ships (like their Aurora class ships are probably weaker which is why the asgard beas blew them up so easily. They also never do research so they wouldnt have advanced their technology any more than when the ancients left them. Sman789 15:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In Be All My Sins Remember'd (The episode where the Tau'ri "Blew them up"), the Asurans did fire drones. Although, they probably weren't as detailed looking as in previous episodes because of all of the computer graphics used in that battle. (Just an idea)&mdash;Anubis 10545 19:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well they fired energy weapons too, when the Orion fired drones it shot lots at once and the asurans fired one at a time and they didnt change direction (like pulses.) They may have fired a few drones too but not a lot seeing as if they had done thered be like a thousand drones in a swarm and theyd smash streight through the deadalus and apollo even if the older asuran drones do need a few hits to pass through asgard shields.
 * The Reason the drones didn't fire in swarms like the Orion did is because to fire in swarms, it is likely that they have to be fired from the control chair, in which case they would be fired mentally. It is possible that the Asurans only fired their drones from the bridge... no control chair... and that is why they only fired in short bursts. They were NOT energy weapons!&mdash;Anubis 10545 19:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Asurans dont need control chairs, and when they took over atlantis they were able to make their drones change direction. And you cant say for cirtain they wernt enerrgy cannons. Besides, if they made it so they did need control chairs, they would use them and have a crewman in there. Still the question is weather the later ancient ones are more advanced than the asuran ones, so does anyone disagree that the ancient ones would be far more powerful in terms of shield penetration and/or punching capability and/or explosive power and/or system disruption? Sman789 21:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

How come in Enemy at the Gate carson barely fired any drones as oppose to a massive wraith killing swarm of death and they didnt seem to do much punching. Mabye it was just his fault and he didnt concentrate on firing alot but do you think there might have been a reason besides from that? Sman789 01:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As I recall, that was one of the scenes with "Temp VFX" watermarked on it, so perhaps it was just unfinished CGI and they're going to draw more in for the final release. It could also have been a power requirement issue. I do know that some of that CGI (particularily where the Wraith shots hit the Atlantis shield) was incomplete. —Ka&#39;lel 01:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

carson really isn't that good with controlling ancient tech. there was prolly a good reason why they decided to send sheppard to earth instead of beckett..omg i jsut remembered. beckett is a clone lol. maybe thats why they didn't send him.

dang i gotta remmeber to add ym name at the end —SupremeCommander 01:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)SupremeCommander


 * According to the episode, Beckett is the best person to control the chair, second only to John, who was sent to Earth because he is the best. He was supposed to sit in the Antarctic chair...which happened to be destroyed before it was used... Regardless, I'm not convinced it was a matter of Carson's inability to control the chair well. —Ka&#39;lel 01:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was probably an energy constraint issue; you're trying to keep an entire city in orbit (and failing), as well as keeping the shield up and firing drones - don't forget, this is a city, not a battleship, these systems weren't really designed to engage in battle in this fashion.  JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  13:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps as soon as they arrived in orbit over earth, they were allready quite far into its gravitational pull and so had to max out the stardrive as well as resisting weapons that were using a lot of power seeing as the wraith ship was probably in a safer orbit so the one or two ZPMs they had left may not have had the energy to power more than a few drones at once whilst dealing with all the other factors, and because of the lack of drones in close formation they were not able to drill through the Hives hull as they usually would if more were gathered together combining their energy field things. I think if Atlantis was landed on earth then it would have fired a lot in close formation and smashed the hive to bits whilst suffering no damage because of its invincible shield. Sman789 13:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Atlantis's sheild is weaker in space(if you explain the drop to 70% sheilds because of the hives new power, than it doesnt fit with the idea that the asgard designed sheilds on the x304 went down at the same amount of fire power, when we know that it could not survive for long against 10 hives, while atlantis would survive for days.) so we can assume that if atlantis had landed their shield would not be as easly affected. about drones destroying the hive- seems unlikely unless they swarm the hive with 1000s of them..
 * No it isn't, if anything it's got less strain on it due to no wind. Though micro asteroids...—Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 11:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we just go with the idea that Atlantis' shield cannot weaken when at full size so long as it has power, but the ship can shake and be knocked by the weapons fire which, in space, causes damage to systems. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 18:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Weakness
"Had they been able to launch their drones in time, even while the ships were being ripped apart by the plasma beams, the drones would have retained their target information and, if enough were launched, destroyed the Tau'ri ships. (ATL: "Be All My Sins Remember'd")"

This is pure speculation. Unless I'm mistaken, we witness the Apollo withstanding Drone attacks in the Episode "Lifeline" at Time Index: 34:25.

Semi Canon addition
In the Stargate novel, Stargate Atlantis: Entanglement, Sheppard was able to trigger the delayed explosion of a drone weapon through mental command from direct contact. Is it worth mentioning? Fa6ade 19:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Apsolutely, but put a ambiguously cannon tag before it (type   at the start and    at the end of the paragraph) :) Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 13:03, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

destruction
can they be destroyed in mid flight by weapons fire? — 00:33, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's never been shown. I do however doubt that can destroy them as they've shown to cut though matter which 'phasing' through energy.  ¥  S uper N ovice  ↔ T alk 2 M e   ¥  00:44, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * They dodge weapons fire, I think, but they probably could be destroyed by certain types of weapon fire if it actually managed to hit them. But just watch the episode "The Tower" when McKay fires the drone out of the control room and up through a tunnel to the surface, it's manovreability (because I don't know the proper word for it) was magnificent and so it would surprise me if any weapon fire was fast enough to hit a drone without being dodged. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:21, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Power

 * whilst on different occasions we have seen asgard shielding been able to withstand a few of them. yeah asgard:P but are those shields strong enough to withstand massive numbers of them like anubis faced above earth? seeing todd remarked that a single pegasus done could destroy the hyperdrive on daedalusNH-obi 10:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * We mentioned that in the article, I think, as the Asurans used older and less advanced drones than the Ancients would have done later on in the war... think of how much technology advances in even the smallest number of years for us and then compare that to the computing power and sheer number of Ancient scientists and how fast they would be upgrading drones. The newer drones may be able to penetrate shields better or explode with greater force, or both. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 12:21, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Asgard shield doesn't reach it's full potential with naquadah generators. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 01:25, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Asgard shield doesn't reach it's full potential with naquadah generators. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 01:25, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Asgard shielding is originaly designed for the asgard ion-reactors and the shields become more powerful when they have more energy at their disposal for example a BC-304(Apollo, etc.) powered by a ZPM equal a asgard O'Neill ship standard shielding. And as for deflecting drones with shields i think it's a thing of modulating the shields to the right frequency, an idea proofen right by eli wallace in SGU allthough by doing so one would make the ship vulnerable to other forms of weaponry - (ARWW)

Ambiguously canon source
What's the source for the ambiguously canon section in this article? —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read above, it's in the "Semi Canon addition" part —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 23:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

launch time
i do not recall it being stated at any time during bamsr that the ships weren't able to fire their drones in time. the entire "weakness" section sounds like speculation. 03:58, July 18, 2010 (UTC)