Talk:Jeremy Franklin

At the end of episode sabotage, he seem to be mysteriously disappear after using the Early repository of knowledge to bypass the damage and engage the Faster-Than-Light engine to save Destiny from the Blue alien attack in the void. Could it possibly be that the knowledge downloaded into his brain from the first attempt using the Early repository of knowledge affected his disappearance. Aside from these there must be a reason why he lower the temperature in the room and ask everyone out of the chair room. My guess is that he must did it for him to ascend to higher plane and the knowledge downloaded into his mind might had trigger him to be concious and use the chair. This is the only explanation I could think to describe his disappearance. Hopefully in the next few episode or perhaps in the Universe Season 2, we will know what actually happen to him!!!! - Hafiedz
 * Wasn't he in the promo for next week's episode? —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:28, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, he wasn't --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 07:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well surely the internal sensors must have picked up something... or maybe he just left the room through another door and the writers thaught that a totally unneccessary cliffhanger would be fun :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 16:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * After just watching it my dad thought he ascended (I'm shocked he even knows what that means as he's not anywhere near as big a fan as I am and he only occasionaly watched the shows) while I said maybe he just found another damn door.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 16:44, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * -- Destiny (& its technology) was created & launched millions of years before the Ancients evolved enough to discover it may be possible to reach a higher plane of existence (& MUCH more passed before they actually achieved it). Because ascension was unknown when Destiny was built & launched, the on-board repository cannot have contained data on the subject or any that could have helped Franklin do it successfully (despite knowing it's possible)...... That is, of course, provided the writers choose to maintain the storyline. As a Star Wars fan, I've lost all faith that any franchise will put forth effort to maintain its own credibility and continuity.
 * -- I'm under the strong impression there is only one door into the chair room. It's the ONLY door I can remember being used & the control consoles seem to be placed so as to leave an entrance on that side of the room only. I don't really remember a console where the camera is usually positioned to the left of the door, but that seems to be more of a filming/set technicality than an actual depiction of the arrangement of the chair room.
 * -- As for what could have happened, it's possible he used the chair and/or Destiny to repair his body in some way that allowed him to move under his own power (I wondered, when he was being put into the chair, if he could reverse the effects). It's possible he used Destiny to interface with machinery/technology that enabled him to transport his body under external power. But again, there seems to be one door, which was under surveillance; perhaps he teleported or something. (My name is Dan, btw) --70.228.92.141 22:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think chair contains ascension info. I think he gone into another damn door to do something odd, like putting himself into large neural interface device which will keep him in stasis while using his brain as CP of ship's main computer

—SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 21:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)ascension does make sense. maybe the cold temp. was some form of stasis?

It is possible near ascension data is in the early repository of knowledge though. We saw in the pilot that the CO2 scrubbers needed replacement that could imply Ancients were at one time on the ship. And in Human we saw the repository's programming capable of being editted by Rush so its possible the Ancients were there at one point and simply put more information into the pool.


 * I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to program the chair to fix his brain, obviously he was already pretty well recovered, but that still doesn't explain where he went, unless Destiny has an Ancient beam transporter ststem. But come on, people, THINK!!! Franklin chose to make it colder in there for a reason and that's a big clue... Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 23:19, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * The CO2 scrubbers survived millions of years. This implies (to me) they were used extremely minimally & simple age put them in the state the Destiny Expedition found them in. Also, Destiny has been confirmed to have been forgotten & abandoned by the Ancients before it was put to use. (Dan again) --70.228.92.141 23:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Given that human researchers at this point have been studying Ancient, Asgard, Ori, Go'uld and other kinds of technology already, getting in the chair may have been just enough to achieve Ascension even if the Ancients who built Destiny weren't able to. It's also possible that at some point some Ancients did come through the Gate onto Destiny and added more information to it while they were there. The show kinda makes it seem like we have everything all sorted out and neat but based on their technology they're kind of underpopulating the past: Atlantis being the capital city and all that is completely underwhelming. There wouldn't have been a few billion Ancients across two galaxies, there would have been trillions and someone probably did go through that Gate onto Destiny... there's probably Ancients in the galaxies they're going through (they made it from the Ori galaxy to ours and Pegasus before they even had Destiny type ships so... they just stopped here? They had one capital the size of Manhattan? Impossible.)72.187.167.161 23:27, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * For one thing, it has already been confirmed that Destiny predates travel to Pegasus. It has also been confirmed that it requires millions of years to travel to Destiny's current position due to the fact it has taken Destiny that long with comparatively short interruptions along the way. Also, Destiny has been confirmed to have been forgotten & abandoned by the Ancients before it was put to use. (Dan again) --70.228.92.141 23:38, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just for future reference, the Destiny Expedition is the first group on Destiny after it's launch, and there's no way that Franklin ascended, due to the chair having little to no knowledge about ascension, and him having only limited knowledge of the "process". More likely is that he fused with the ship. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 23:39, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * What if some ascended beings or some ancients did come through to Destiny at one point? They could've still wiped all records of their visit. The CO2 Scrubbers were all completely used up when the Destiny Expedition arrived. That means someone must've been using them. Also, even though while it said it took millions of years to reach Destiny's position, that was with an FTL Drive. I'm sure FTL Drives are a lot slower than modern hyper drives. Perhaps Atlantis with a full complement of ZPM's could reach the Destiny in maybe 10-20 years. And don't forget about Atlantis's Wormhole Drive which let them travel across the galaxy in a few seconds. They could use that to reach the Destiny in less than a day. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:00, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're forgetting the fact that our writers are effectively omniscient, so if they say no one from the known galaxies have ever visited Destiny, then consider it fact. Besides, there is STILL no way that Atlantis could reach the Destiny so fast, even with more advanced technology. We're talking at least HUNDREDS of galaxies away, BILLIONS of light years. Also, we have already discovered from the Ori galaxy & the Ori themselves that ascended beings cannot just traverse the universe at will. Remember: the Ancients were not there to stop Morgan Le Fay when she interfered in the affairs of lesser beings in The Ark of Truth. I've already addressed the scrubbers, but here we go again... they WILL go bad after millions of years even if there were no beings to take advantage of their function. Has everyone completely forgotten that we're talking about MILLIONS OF YEARS? EVERYTHING goes bad in that amount of time, no matter what the heck it is. (Dan) --70.228.117.62 03:14, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I understand now why the scrubbers were all used up when they arrived. Now as for Atlantis, it's wormhole drive should be able to reach Destiny. Remember the wormhole drive is supposed to work like a stargate, so it actually should be able to reach Destiny in a matter of minutes, days at most. As long as they have enough ZPM's, they could make it there. It's true that to dial the Destiny, a lot of power is required. But the purpose of the 9th chevron seems to be to add a calculation for a destination that's in motion like the Destiny in FTL. In the article about Destiny's FTL drive, it said that an incoming wormhole will cause the ship to drop out of FTL. However, in the episode Lost, when the ship jumped into FTL, Eli could no longer dial the Destiny using the standard 7 chevron address. I don't think the 9th chevron gives you more distance for the stargate. It requires a lot of power because of the destination in motion. So if Atlantis can calculate Destiny's position in space the next time it drops out, then they can use the wormhole drive to reach destiny without having to use excessive amounts of power like on Icarus. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * The wormhole drive requires massive amounts of power just to cross from the outside of the Milky Way to Earth. That's a distance measured at barely a million light years. Three ZPMs, which they had at the time, would never make it all the way to Destiny. However, Atlantis' regular hyperdrive is absurdly fast. It could reach Destiny in months if they could hold at top speed for that long. To be specific, it can cross a billion light-years in just under two weeks. As for the assertion that the power is for a ship in motion, it's not true. Destiny stopped moving when the gate was dialed. Stationary or not, it would require a massive amount of power to get there. More to the point, even if we were to assume it was true, it is not something that would matter because the wormhole drive is not the same as a Stargate. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:13, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Wormhole drive is basically just a Stargate connection that takes a dungload more power and moves the whole city to the end-location. Besides, they need perfect calculations for it to work, if they're off even by a fraction, the whole city would be vaporized and/or end up god knows where in the Universe. And the power requirements are even larger then those of the Stargate dialing the 9th chevron, due to the whole city going in the Wormhole, as a full, and not as energy like in normal Stargate wormholes, and the distance... oh god the distance... billions upon billions of lightyears.... :ohdear: what was my point? Oh yeah, Wormhole drive = Stargate's wormhole, except it doesn't energize the transportee (Atlantis), due to the shield, and so has to make a larger way through the Hyper(sub)space. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well in that case, a more efficient strategy would be to use a Supergate. They could get help from the priors or the doci in the Ori galaxy. From there, they dial a gate that's close to destiny and then use the method to turn the planet into a singularity and send the pieces of the supergate through. I'm sure the priors in the Ori galaxy know how to produce enough energy to dial the supergate. Plus, since there's a black hole there, they wouldn't need as much power. Once the supergate is ready, they can send a ship through to the destiny, dial the gate back, and bring the destiny back to Earth. Problem solved! General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:07, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Incorrect, since they have no way to dial the AHG. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:18, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, they can. In Stargate: The Ark of Truth, they used the Supergate to dial the Alteran Home Galaxy and sent the Odyssey through to find the Ark and stop the Ori armies. There's no reason they can't do that again. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:25, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Odyssey used a ZedPM to dial the gate, and the ship and it's Batter are unavailable, and Atlantis and it's batteries are also unavailable. And they can't dial a gate near Destiny, since they're most likely too far away for a conventional 8-chevron address, and 9Chevron only dials to Earth and Destiny :3 —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then they can just use that ZPM to dial the supergate again. I'm pretty sure the Odyssey still has the ZPM and they never depleted it. The 9 chevron address is unlike any other address, especially when used to dial Destiny. We know the last chevron is a code that requires you to use Earth as the point of origin regardless of what planet you are on. Therefore, we still don't fully know the exact purpose or nature of the 9th chevron. And my theory before where it's used to calculate an object in motion does make sense and explains why Eli couldn't dial the Destiny after it jumped into FTL. The only way to reach destiny while it's in FTL is with a 9 chevron address. Otherwise an 8 chevron address should be enough to reach any planet in the galaxy that Destiny is in or is about to enter. The Ori home galaxy takes about a year to reach by using hyperdrives. But we know they can reach the Asgard home galaxy pretty quickly. There galaxy is around 4 million light years from the milky way. Therefore, the Ori home galaxy must be around several hundred million light years away if it takes years to reach us by hyperspace. So perhaps from the Ori home galaxy they can dial a planet near destiny and it won't take as much power as it would if it were dialed from Earth. So basically it'd be sort of like connecting the dots. From Earth you go to the Ori home galaxy via supergate, then from there you send another supergate to the galaxy where destiny is in. So there you go, problem solved. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You seem to be forgetting that creating a supergate takes a massive amount of effort, and that the people with the know-how to do it are dead. The Priors certainly wouldn't have such knowledge, they just get it from other sources. They also have no idea where Destiny is, and no way to dial a random address in the network. It's simply not possible. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would seem as if the Ori Motherships were built by simple villagers and it doesn't seem like the Ori were there to help them build the ships step by step. Therefore, the instructions must've been given to a prior in one form or another. So perhaps the priors still have that knowledge of building supergates. To find destiny, they can use the 9 chevron address to calculate its position in space or use the coordinates for one of the other stargates in Destiny's galaxy to find out where they are. And perhaps the priors can use the ancient communication device to track the signal. We know the priors know how to turn off the device and possibly how it works. So perhaps they can track the signal. Then from there, they send the supergate. I would love to see an Ori Mothership or the Odyssey go up against one of those blue alien ships. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 00:10, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

They may go to the AHG, but as you said, it'd take a year or so, and the Odyssey is still unavailable. And the 9C dials to Destiny or Earth, there are no other choices. And you can't use it to calculate the location, it's a code. And using an 8C address to dial the galaxy would still need an Icarus type planet, due to the power requirements, and they don't currently have one. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:18, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

The temperature drop in the chair room
Here, we can discuss possible implications of the extreme drop in temperature observed just before the doors to the chair room closed, & the frozen nature of the room when the doors opened again.

The only thing I can think of for which low temperature can be helpful is cryogenic freezing/primitive stasis. However, Franklin's body was missing, not frozen. Based on the known physiology of the human body, extremely low temperatures slow the rate of body function, including the firing of neurons in the brain. This would decrease Franklin's brain activity. The question is: would this be helpful or hurtful?

We know that when O'Neill used Milky Way repositories, the activity in his brain increased beyond what his body could handle due to the incredible & unsustainable amount of knowledge downloaded into his brain. We also know that the Destiny repository was usable by a modern Tau'ri human (Rush) only after a buffer was created to slow down & otherwise limit the flow of data into the user's brain. However, assuming he regained motor skills (physical functions) and/or full mental/thought functions, his ability to use them should be diminished by the extremely low temperature. How would this benefit him, then?

(I'm Dan) 70.228.92.141 00:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I bet they'll make up some nonsensical BS about the temperature drop. SGU (and the rest of Stargate) is really bad at giving real solutions to anything. I think he merged with the ship, and they'll "figure this out" at the end of the next episode. Theymos (talk) (Contribs) 09:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * But if the temperature drop wasn't neccessary, they wouldn't have put it into the episode, would they? Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, there is a opening just above the seat, where the light and the cold come from. Maybe some device came down and encased Franklin a cryogenic container. He was then moved up and stored somewhere in the ship. Maybe somewhere along the line there will have a "ghost in the machine" episode where the ship was wierd glitches and they eventually trace the problem to a room where they'll find Franklin in stasis, hooked up to a computer. EHStormcrow (talk) (Contribs) 16:38, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense --Глючарина (talk) (Contribs) 17:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Theymos, you either didn't watch SG-1 or weren't paying attention very well. Atlantis had far less scientific explanation (though there were less things that needed to be explained as such in the first place), but SG-1 did very well explaining itself in terms of scientific theories of the time. It is true that as we learn new things, some of the explanations in SG-1 will become invalid or outrageous. However, the writers did very well explaining the events of SG-1 based on the knowledge of the time. This is something that made SG-1 appeal to me over some other shows I've seen.
 * EHStormcrow, what purpose would the Ancients have for creating a cryogenic facility in the ceiling of the chair room? That's what doesn't make sense to me, as I'd expect such a facility to be located elsewhere.
 * (Dan again) --70.228.112.31 21:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps cryogenic storage was necessary for the Ancients for crossing very vast distances? Imagine the pilot sitting in the chair, getting the ship moving and then getting into cryo storage until the journey is over. That doesn't fit well with Rush'es experiment, he used the chair and nothing similar happened. However no one tried to direct the ship, Rush was trying to access the database.
 * Perhaps cryogenic storage was necessary for the Ancients for crossing very vast distances? Imagine the pilot sitting in the chair, getting the ship moving and then getting into cryo storage until the journey is over. That doesn't fit well with Rush'es experiment, he used the chair and nothing similar happened. However no one tried to direct the ship, Rush was trying to access the database.


 * Or, direct connection to the ship's systems can only be achieved by semi-stasis. So many possibilities! EHStormcrow (talk) (Contribs) 22:39, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * It might sounds either stupid or scary, the fact that temperature dropped in the room might indicate that the room was not protect when Destiny jumped to FTL and consequently incinerated Franklin, the machines were some how shield on their own since it's 'THE ROOM'.