Talk:Stargate

Why does Destiny use all glyphs as PoO
Even though the ship is always moving it is never using the address of another planet's gate (It seems that prototype gates are not capable of the override feature that Avalon and Pegasus gates have) so if the address is always constant why is their PoO always changing? is this the same with all prototype gates? And what happens when destiny finds a planet that's address uses the same glyph as its PoO, does it dials that glyph twice?--99.135.151.8 11:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Stargate variant
Didn't the Pegasus Replicators use a modified stargate that only had 8 Chevrons? There's a picture of it in here: Stargate (device) on Wikipedia. -
 * They did indeed. Also, the orbital Stargate seen in the Stargate Atlantis season 5 episode Ghost in the Machine seemed to have only 8 chevrons as well, though that may have been an oversight on part of the SFX department. - Bell&#39;Orso 13:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that I write to the old topic but i think it is worth the risk. Do we really now that asurans satelite has only 8 chevrons? I know. we can argue that it is asuran design and thus yes but we cannot say that it had only 8 chevrons in that episode. We cannot say it because in some episodes the gates had also only 8 chevrons and in one episode, it was even the milky way stargate with 8 chevrons. For example here are episodes where I noticed bad gate - (there in the bridge there are both gates bad. Even milky way had only 8 chevrons), ,  ,  and  but here i am not sure, it is case of milky way gate. it has very strange position of the chevrons but is not clearly visible so I think it is also wrong gate. If I am right. entire problem with 8 chevrons is only bad model used by animators. They simply did not notice it. what do you thing?--ScorpiO 05:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Its possible that all of the 8 chevron spacegates were also built by the Asurans and can thus explain this continuity error--99.135.144.37 21:45, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Continuity error == In the episode "Children of the Gods" they travel back and forward in the wormhole (Apophis and his men). -
 * No they don't, they dial the gate with a wristworn DHD. Iaselar 18:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Ever sins the arctic gate was destroyed earth has been using the browed Russian gate witch has caused many political problems so why could they not just have taken a star gate from any uninhabited planet wit the Prometheus or one of the over ships
 * Because they dont need to and it would be a waste of time and resources finding one that isnt being used. Sman789 20:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

They managed to find 34 gates in the milky way system to build the intergalactic gate bridge, 35 was to much I don't think so and keep in mind that A lot of milky way gates Are unused or on uninhabited planets

Image
Would it be possible for someone to come up with a better LEGAL image for the infobox. The current picture (in my opinion) doesn't reflect on the true greatness of how the Stargate actually looks.&mdash;Anubis 10545 22:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, I can't find a better image and as this will soon be the featured article, I'd really rather have a better picture to put on the front page.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The Tollans as Gatebuilders
According to the current text: "The Ancients, the Nox, the Asurans and the Tollans are the only known races that have managed to build Stargates." Given the specifics of the Tollan Stargate (history section), I'm not sure the Tollans should be credited with building a stargate. I believe the "spirit" of line I quoted above is to point out the races that have the technological-know how to build a gate. Under this intrepreation, the Ori are also Gatebuilders.--Slackergate5 10:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Nox built it for the Tollan, or at least told them how to build it, so no they shouldnt be on the list.


 * Looking at the Transcript: it reads:

Narim- The Nox and the Tollan were able to devise a way to get us there.

Carter- So you built that... Stargate?

Narim- Yes.

Because of this, the Tollan should be credited.&mdash;Anubis 10545 18:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that the fundamental problem we are debating is whether a particular race has the technological know-how to independently build a stargate. Since the Tollan needed the assistance of the Nox, they obviously lacked the aforementioned ability to design/build a stargate. Perhaps the article should be changed to read:

The Ancients, the Nox, the Asurans and the Ori are the only known races that have the necessary knowledge needed to independently construct Stargates.--Slackergate5 21:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

well here's the thing. the ancients are the ORIGINAL gatebuilders. all the other races built them after the ancients did. the tollan built their stargate with the help from the nox. the ori used ascended knowledge. the stargate was thought up of by an ancient just be4 he left the planet in the ark of truth.—SupremeCommander 19:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The planet, and the whole Ori Galaxy.Supakillaii 19:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Entering a receiving wormhole...
I just watched A Hundred Days and they send a MALP through a stargate which is facing upwards and the MALP is destroyed shortly after leaving the wormhole. Is this reason enough to say that entering a receiving wormhole is like standing in the kawoosh instead of saying it it unknown what happens? --SilentGuy 22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd agree it is Sman789 22:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you watch the episode "Shades of Gray" where O'Neill sticks his gun in an incoming wormhole to hold it open, it would seem that the hyperspatial buffer thing works both ways. Seeing as how communications can travel both ways through a wormhole, I theorize that you would be changed to energy and go through the wormhole, however, you would not be rematerialized once you reached the other side. But that is just going by what the show has shown me in some of the episodes, it seems like they change the rules a lot. What I really want to see is someone enter from the back. I'm not sure what would happen, but I am sure that hilarity would ensue. --Undomesticatedequine69 16:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

you wont reach the other side, since the enegetisiced matter cant travel in the wrong direction Entering the back of a stargate might allow your matter to reach the spatial buffer gate, but you wont be send. my theory is that any matter that enters the stargate from either side is dematerialized, but only when entering the front the gate scans the original form of that matter to produce "blueprints". This means that your hand woultn´t be rematerialized if you try to pull it out of the wrong side. When the stargate sends the matter it also sends informations (blueprints) that tell the receiving gate, how to rematerialize it. In "Red sky" sam says that a wormhole may pic up and place matter on its path, if matter (plutonium or something else) reaches the destination-gate it wont be rematerialized since it was not on the blueprint. If matter is lost on the way it might be replaced by matter piced up earlier (all atoms are composed of protons, electrons and neutrons, so altering the numer of these, would change the kind of matter and allowes the gate to replace any kind of matter) It was often said that a gate tranforms the matter into energy, but this might be becaus of the wormhole itself and not by the gate since when the wormhole is shut down, when energie is still en route it would be placed somwhere in space as matter again, but not in the same form as before (When Water is sent through it may become a number of hydrogen and oxygen atoms but not as h2o) --84.150.158.228 13:33, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I believe that when you touch a wormhole that's inbound whatever touches will be disintegrated. I think O'neill is only able to keep it open because he kept his gun in the wormhole the whole time, resulting in the buffer being full. 10:06, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Page main image
Does anyone else dislike having a Pegasus spacegate as the main image, I know an image of a milky way gate in the SGC is lower down but I would like this instead to be the primary image. Although I would prefer an image of a stargate in one of those stone platforms since that seems how they appear in most of the galaxy. Such as this | wikipedia image

Fa6ade 11:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Not that one, it focuses on Oneil as much as it does on the gate. I'm sure there are better ones. But I agree a milky way gate on a stone platform would be a good idea.
 * Previously we had an image of a Milky Way gate that wasn't even from the series (being a drawn rendition). While I too would prefer a Milky Way gate, the clearest and most descriptive image of a Stargate available is a Pegasus galaxy one. Also, we could never get an image of a Milky Way gate by itself because it would need to be on a planet to be clear enough to get a fair description of (whereas Pegasus gate are usually seen in space and therefore the gate itself is the main focus.)&mdash;Anubis 10545 03:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that it makes most sense to use a Pegasus Stargate. They are the latest model/version of the Stargate. Do you use a turn-dial telephone to show off the technology of telephones, or do you use a more modern, sophisticated example, like a wireless phone (cordless landline/mobile phone).
 * Also, Pegasus gates are much prettier :) 24.245.105.48 07:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Milky Way gates kick butt! And I'll have you know I love my rotary phone! --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 19:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

History of Stargates on Earth
I was looking for information on the two Earth Stargates, and I can't find it here... I mean like a progression of who owned which gate, etc. I've only watched through Season 5, and this is what I gathered so far:


 * 1) Stargate is first discovered in Egypt. The U.S. acquires this Stargate; the Russians come into possession of the dialing device for it.
 * 2) Second Stargate with DHD is discovered in Antarctica, and is used for some time by NID, later sealed/unused.
 * 3) The first Stargate from Egypt is beamed onto the Asgard ship, and is recovered by Russians from the ocean when the Asgard ship is destroyed. Now Russians have both the Egyptian Stargate and the dialing device for it.
 * 4) In the U.S., SGC retrieves the Antarctica gate to use instead of the Egypt one. I'm assuming, they must have the dialing device somewhere, but they don't use it because they have computer setup that they like, that keeps track of known locations, of where they went and where not to go under any circumstances, etc.
 * 5) SGC borrows the Russian DHD and it's accidentally destroyed.

-- 69.254.170.227 23:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The Beta gates DHDs power source was depleted shortly after it was recovered. I think it was said in the episode where Teal'c was stuck in the gate Supakillaii 11:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Earth has the most stargates in the universe:

1 (unconfirmed) Destiny-style gate 100.000.000 Years ago till the construction of the beta-gate

2 Destinys stargate, during the ships construction

3 Antarctic-Gate 50.000.000 Years ago left behind when Atlantis left Earth untill its destruction

4 (unconfirmed) Stargate on Atlantis when Atlantis left Earth (unknown Type, likely MW-Type, Replaced by PG-Type when Atlantis reached Lantea)

5 Giza-Gate since 10.000 Years ago. (Egypt, Achilles, Ocean (several times) SGC, Russia, Orbit)

6 Gate on Klorels Ship (orbit)

7 (unconfirmed) Gate on Apophis Ship (orbit)

8 Orlins Minigate. (Burned out)

9 Atlantis Beta-Gate near the golden-GATE-bridge

10 PG-Gate on the Super-Hive-Ship till its destruction (orbit)

sg-2780.226.20.58 08:49, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * a very well made chronology. Though the only one that doesn't make sense is the first Atlantis Gate. I think Atlantis left without a gate onboard because they could not use one during the trip to Pegasus and Pegasus already had prototype gates seeded in it,(from what we saw of Destiny's flight-plan and Destiny always follows Stargate seeder ships).When the Ancients arrived on Lantea, they probably just used one of the Prototype Gates until they could establish a more modern network--99.135.151.8 18:19, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

@80.226.20.58; 1. Re-used/made/upgraded to MW style 4. What? Either Atlantis kept the gate or left without a gate 5. Is the current gate in SGC 6. Destroyed 7. Destroyed/Didn't have one 10. Destroyed —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 18:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

destiny's gate
It might be important to note that the shape of the glowing part of the Destiny's gate is actually the shape of the ship.

the destiny stargate has different glyphs then other stargates in the way the glyphs don't appear to be constellations i think this must be so it can more easily interface with other networks with other constellationsSirhobo33 (talk) (Contribs) 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

weight
i thought the stargate weighed like sixty something tons

Constructors
I do believe Ori built few of them too. Supakillaii 11:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Partially buried stargates
It is said that stargates can be sealed by burying them at least partially on the ground, but some stargates, like Atlantis' of Destiny's have the lower part of the gate in the floor, so they should'nt be able to work. And there are no visible retractable parts of the floor to uncover the gates lower portion, so how can they work? Zeldafan (talk) (Contribs) 03:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All/most of the gates on planets are like that. I haven't really thought of that... Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It must need to be buried up to the point where it would interfere with the "kwoosh". may be it is a fail-safe to keep some idiot from standing in an activating gateSirhobo33 (talk) (Contribs) 23:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Transmission...
"The gate does not begin transmitting an object until it has entirely passed through the event horizon."

I seem to remember an episode where some one tied themselves to something and went through the gate. They emerged hanging on the other side. Is there any explanation or theory for that? --71.79.134.3 21:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, rope is a special material capable of violating the laws of physics for the enjoyment of an audience. --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 19:47, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

If you talk about the episode "a hundred days": Teal´c shot a harpune into the outgoing wormhole, so the harpune and rope were stored within the gate. then he entered the gate while pulling back the rope into the shot-device. Then the transmission begins after receiving the data the gate on the other side remateriazes the harpune, which retains its original speed and pierces the ceiling then tealc rematerializes hanging on the ceiling.

Icarus Base point of origin
When they dial the 9th chevron at icarus base, they use the Earth point of origin (for reasons that are, to me, inadequately explained, but I'll let that pass because the writers are charting new territory and will probably come back to it later). Oddly, though, the symbol for the point of origin is Earth's second stargate's point of origin (the one with the pyramid). Shouldn't it be the original (antarctic) gate's point of origin symbol? My reasoning is that Icarus Base was built by the Ancients long before Ra brought the second gate to earth. I realize this is almost certainly the writers choosing a well-known symbol that "most" fans would recognize instead of being strictly correct to their own history, but I think there should at least be a note to this effect in the article. 68.118.226.15 02:28, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

that wasn't an address, it was a code. it was stated somewhere Darth armitage (talk) (Contribs) 00:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

what gate came 1st?
ok with the new SG:U now on the air i have a question? what gate style was created 1st, i have the following notes that all conflict with other notes: 1. in SG1 the "beta" gate had the "the oldest one (DHD) in the gate system" and that the power supply was dead after a few tests, 2. SG:A the city of Atlantis is the home city of the gate builders, one would think that the Atlantis gate style would be older since it is inbeded into the gate room of Atlantis (until that gate blew up and was replaced) 3. Destiny is a "gate seedship" and was launched before Pegasus was seeded (if the map in the first ep was correct, the crew said "Pegasus") and Destiny must be older then Atlantis due to the look of theship

so far i see no issues Destiny's gate style came first, then they created the Milkyway style then the built Atlantis (the city ship) and as they built it the Pegasus gate was built with it, or was placed there after it left to Pegasus) however in Ark of Truth we see that book from the guy that created the stargates, the timeship and other cool toys we wish was real, the book is the earliest known picture of the Stargate since it is BEFORE IT WAS BUILT he told that woman "I have an idea to tell you" or something like that, the book and the picture is on this page shows the Milkyway gate (the glyphs are the Milkyway ones)

so now we have:

1. Ark of Truth: book shows 1st Stargate before any of them are built as the Milkyway style 2. SG:U: Destiny started from Earth and enters Pegasus (assuming it seeded all planets that it could) it seeded Pegasus and continued out to the other galaxies until us humans ended up on it 3. SG1 the beta gate issue

it could be that the Beta gate was the 1st gate to be created ever, based of the book from Ark of Truth and somehow it falled, but if that is true then why go back to it after they started to seed planets with the Destiny style gates?

also if Destiny seeded Pegasus then why are they not the same style, Destiny was an unmaned seed ship that started from Earth did the computer say "i hate the look of the stargates (Destiny style) i'm going to make it look like this (Milkyway style)." then said "i hate the look of the stargates (Milkyway style) i'm going to make it look like this (Pegasus style)."

sorry for the ranting i love the shows (all of them) and the movies i wish Atlantis lasted longer -- Marc Chase, sorry no log-on name:-)


 * The Destiny is NOT a seed ship. It was built after the seed ships were launched, as a way for the Ancients to explore the galaxies after the stargates were planted. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 16:58, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Easy. The milky way was seeded first, because it's their home galaxy. No reason to seed your glaxy, then upgrade the design and re-seed it again - complete waste. After Milky Way they probably sent out automatic seeder ships starting with the Destiny design - but it was more efficient to build a ship and send it in a straight direction than to have them do the nearest galaxy first. And Atlantis was seeded by a later (if not the last) stargate design. Heck, it's possible that there are a few dozen different designs out there. And Rush is just a complete idiot, but doesn't want to admit it because of his ego. After all, we have evidence to support most of these conclusions, while the only evidence that we have saying the Destiny gate is old is the opinion of Rush, who has been proven unreliable. 98.127.168.159 10:20, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

i think destinys the most improved variant. the entire gate moves when dialling. also they have the PDA thing which dials. —DeadReanimation (talk) (Contribs) 10:48, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Well look like we all have conflict about which stargate design came first. However if we undestand carefully on what are written on some article in stargate wiki like in Ancients and Lanteans, we might guess which came first. Okay try and think when the Ancient left their home galaxy and find their way to Avalon (Milky Way galaxy), they built the first Stargate Network in Milky Way using the design that came up by Amelius. Understand this sentence I took from the Ancient article carefully,

"the Ancients seemed to have a preference for stone structures enriched with Naquadah for strength while in the Milky Way galaxy."

"Even their technology appeared stone like. The Stargates had their symbols engraved on them, and spin when dialing. They were also known for writing information on stone tablets."

From this two sentence, we can conclude that the Milky Way design was the first among the three design that had been mention in the Stargate canon. In fact the Milky Way design look like a stone structure. Later when the Ancient left the Milky Way and head to Pegasus galaxy in order to escaped the plague they suffering in Milky Way, they built the new Stargate Network with a metallic design. Even their technology were built in metallic. For this understand the sentence below,

"When in the Pegasus Galaxy they built more metallic looking structures, but when they returned back to the milky way, they constructed in a Stone appearance again. One suggestion for this is that, when compared with the ancient technology in the milky way, the anciant structures in pegasus is relatively new (only 10,000 years old instead of 50 million years old)."

"After traveling to the Pegasus Galaxy, the Ancients built structures of metal, and they were quite large."

"Their technology also appeared more advanced, made of metal instead of stone; it was also digitalized, like the symbols on the Stargates in the Pegasus Galaxy, and utilized crystals in their consoles instead of stone tablets."

This mean that the design in pegasus were made of metal instead of stone and was the lastest design. In addition the Stargate did not spin like those in Milky Way and this design could superseed the Milky Way design. From this we can conclude that the Pegasus design might be either second or last as it was after Milky Way design. This leave the destiny design to be also after the Milky way design but might be before the Pegasus design. Why I say this? This because the Destiny design were made of Metal not stone. In addition Destiny were launced on Terra before the Plague outbreak. The technology between the Milky Way and Pegasus were also seen in the destiny whci is the strgate soin and made of metal with. From this we can conclude the 1. Milky Way design 2. Destiny design 3. Pegasus design. —Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 22:14, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * My theory is that Ancient seeded few gates per galaxy later planning to use this planets as basis for colonization. But after plague they desised to colonize only pegasus --(talk) (Contribs) 12:31, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's 1. Destiny, 2. Milky Way and 3. Pegasus. 'though I have no idea what I gained from posting this to a long-dead discussion, I did it anyway. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 11
 * 32, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Destiny was launched from Earth, not before they arrived in the Milky Way, but after. My personal theory as to why they seem inferior.... They arrive in the Milky way, hundreds of millions of years ago, start working with Stargates(already been theorized, but starting to use the technology, now), place them out throughout their planets in the milky way. They Launch the seeding ships, and destiny at some point after this. Sometime later they improve the Stargate Technology, and upgrade all the Milky Way gates, and mass produce the slightly newer version in the Milky Way, but do not lose interest in the Destiny or the seeding ships, they are still somewhat important, and keep upgrade the Icarus base ready and upgraded. They get wiped out by the Plague, and Travel to the Pegasus Galaxy in their city ship, and utilize their latest developments over the course of a few million years, before the dawn of the wraith, who wipe them out. The original gates may have been deconstructed, for resources, or destroyed at some point in time, few ancient things lasted in the milky way as it is. They would have been fewer in number, because they werent as grand as later models which had the ability to travel anywhere in the galaxy.

To clarify. 1. Milky way. 2. Seed ships/Destiny 3.Upgraded Milky way. 4. Pegasus.

The improvements in the milky way... Superior Range and dialing ability(perhaps they can "lock on" from greater distances), do not require the spinning effect, but are still capable of it, and perhaps improved safety features. Pegasus gates, are slight improvements upon the Mulky Way gates, but not a huge step forward.74.129.75.153 19:10, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

maybe it would have been better if in the SGU show the gates and ship are of the Ferlings Race so that 1. it would explain the ship/tech and gates not looking like the Ancient's styles (both the old Milky Way and "new" Pegasus) and we (the fans) could learn about the last of the 4 great races, (I'm with Jack O'neil, the Ferlings sound like a small cute fur covered bear like name, it would have been cool to see them as a big ugly hairless four armed clawed creatures that would scare the crap out of you.) -- Marc Chase, sorry no log-on name:-)

Destiny Gates spinning
The whole gate actually spins. Not just the front. This can be seen in SGU Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:22, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yes! I knew it! The whole gate spins! In your face :) —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 02:29, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey man, I was on your side until I saw that behind the scenes video and I questioned whether or not I had actually ever seen the entire thing spin. I even undid that guy's edit, then undid my edit and apologized for undoing his edit...so...yeah. Cheers! - 03:01, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

On the Stargate article, we currently have info that contradicts itself, saying the whole thing both does and does not spin. I read what that blog said, but in the video you can clearly see (besides just taking that narrator's word for it) that the rear half stays stationary while the front spins.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 03:36, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

That's only the prop. Check SGU Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40 for the whole gate spinning. It is also seen when the Destiny Gate dials, if I remember correctly. I'll look for a vid where the gate on Destiny spins. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:00, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, only good clip there is that shows that the whole gate dials, is in Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40 and then we have Josephs word. What else do you need? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:28, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't need anything. I've seen Air several times and I always had suspected that the entire thing spun (I was a firm believer of that to start with). But, it seemed more plausible if only the front did (and the video confirmed that). But, as you see, these two sources contradicted each other so there was a reasonable amount of confusion present. Ok, we will go with the entire thing spinning. Wow, isn't that fun...—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 17:50, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, that "you" was meant as a general and wasn't directed specifically at anyone... —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:57, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Just a question, In Stargate Universe if the chevrons on the gate spin and the Glyphs light up upon reaching the top of the gate, what is the purpose of even having chevrons at all, if they spin with the rest of the gate?


 * They show that the gate's alive? :I -Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:41, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * What do you mean "alive"?


 * I assume Supakillaii means "activated". They probably do something important... they just haven't really explained what.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 03:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Destiny Gate Glyphs
Just noticed that the Destiny's gate glyphs appear to be based on Morse Code...while there are differences I have found many Letters in Morse actually on the gate...if anyone wants t check this further then that would be of use in understanding the new gates—82.36.58.211 17:04, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Hi...me again....the Ancients must have used a code system to identify gate in other galaxys using a generic gate. The Milky and Pegasus gates are specific to their galaxies with all the different constellations while the Destiny's are a Alphanumerical code to identify address. An Ancient Morse code if you wish...this is further reinforced by how Eli Wallace solve the 9th Chevron issue.

Gates and Time Travel: Mayor Plot Hole?
Up until now, we have seen Stargate personell to travel through time involuntarily for 3 times between 1997 and 2009(Episodes: 1969 (episode), The Last Man and Time). It is also shown that all kinds of Stargate designs that we know of are suspectible to this problem, regardless of methods of dialling or power supply (Manual Dialling, SGC Dialling computer, Pegasus DHD, Stargate Remote, Atlantis DHD (not actually shown)). Now consider that there are other groups in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies that use the Gate system, i.e. the Wraith, the Free Jaffa Nation, the Lucian Alliance and many many more smaller factions like most peoples encountered in the Pegasus galaxy. Therefore, it is most likely that the SGC only accounts for a small percentage of overall gate travel. Lets just assume for now the average over the years has been 5% (IMHO still too much).

So, when 5% of the overall gate travel causes 3 incidents in 12 years, 100% of the overall gate travel cause 60 incidents within this time. Or: 5 involuntary time travelers per YEAR! Keep in mind that the gate system has been in use for several million years... even if there were periods of far less gate travel, the number of time travellers could add up well into the millions.

Some questions: 1. Did I get this right, or does anyone see mayor errors in this?

2. Why isn't this a far bigger theme in the show?

3. If the Ancients followed such a strict "Time Travel is a bad thing" policy (See episode Before I Sleep) then why didn't they fix the problem?

Please Discuss Somedude123 (talk) (Contribs) 03:31, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they probably did fix the problem, but on the DHDs not the gates. We've seen that it is far easier to alter a DHD's code than the code in the gate itself, but the SGC doesn't use a DHD so it is still susceptible to the problem. The gate on the destiny doesn't use a dedicated DHD either, it uses the ship's main computer, which presumably won't update itself with other DHDs due to the obvious security hole it would cause in the Destiny's systems, systems that as we have seen, the Ancients want to protect. As for The Last Man episode, I have no idea. Maybe they overrode a safety feature or maybe when dialing Atlantis, DHDs leave the decision up to the Atlantis personell (again for the security of the Ancients about to make travel, and the Tau'ri translator program did not recognize the information being displayed to it. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 07:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

There is no answer except for speculation. Just because it's unknown doesn't mean it's a plot hole. I doubt time travel with gates happens that much... but Stargate would be a completely different show if it was all about time travel... which frankly is a bit of a cliche. I don't really think the time travel thing with the stargates is a "problem", per say, that needs correcting, it's just a random error that can't be fixed via either the gate or DHD.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the DHD has numerous security systems on it to count for several problems, including the one where the Tau'ri travelled to a planet of the Asgard Treaty, and involuntarily changed the mass of the planet's sun. It also has safe-guards for possible Time Travel Incidents. Destiny Gate doesn't have the systems because it's such an old model, and the Ancients didn't have the chance to update the code. All problems with Time Travel in SG-1 was because of the lack of DHD, and the one time in ATL was because the connection was activated just a second too soon for the DHD to realise it (my theory at least). —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, some thoughts on this:

I think the incident in "The Last Man" clearly shows that the problem was never resolved by the Ancients. The Pegasus Gate System was the last to be constructed and should therefore be the most advanced. Still, neither the DHD nor the gate itself prevented the incident. The idea that it "leaves the choice" to Atlantis IMO doesn't sound reasonable. Why keep the choice when following the "No time travel" policy? Furthermore, the Atlantis gate was among the last the Ancients ever physically came in contact with, and still Sheppard uses it to get back to our time. Therefore i'd say: NOT resolved.

The DHDs definitely do not have any security measures to prevent time travel. Of the six kinds of GenuineAncient™ DHDs we've seen so far (Milky Way, Pegasus, Atlantis, Puddle Jumper, Destiny, Remote) four are suspectible to this error (Pegasus, Atlantis and Remote already mentioned, as for Milky Way see 2010 (episode))

As for calling it a problem: I think it actually is. Both SG-1 and Sheppard had considerable problems getting back to their time. And after hundrets of thousands of people travelling through time, not much would be left of the original timeline. Somedude123 (talk) (Contribs) 11:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it is a problem in that sense, but it's not a problem that can be fixed. EX) Tornadoes are problems, but you can't fix them and nothing can be done about them, really. It's just a natural occurrence that's difficult to predict or influence... similar to solar flares interacting with stargates. Eh, I'm sure there's something else.. but its 4:00am and I haven't slept yet.. so—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 12:04, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

it should be noted that all timetravels caused by stargates send the wormhole back to the starting point: 1969: back to earth; time: back to jungle-planet, only in "the last man" the wormhole reached the destination (in the wrong time, but still on the correct planet). So the theory, that sheppard steped through the gate before the dhd realized the flare might be true. It is explained that the flare propels the wormhole around the sun back to its origin, this might be true when it was the sun of the starting-points planet that caused the flare, which a dhd would prevent. In sheppards case the sun that caused the flare was that of atlanis and sheppard was already close to atlantis in the wormhole, when the flare occured --84.150.158.228 13:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry about that. The DHD 'nor the gate don't have anything to prevent the accidental Time Travel. The safe-guards are in place for something like travelling through a sun, not for Time Travel. But the chance of Time Travel accident happening is very, very small. You're more likely getting hit by lightning 50 times in 1 minute in my opinion. I mean, it's only happened oh-so-many times, and no other SG-team has travelled through time. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:33, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

The dhd can detect suns on the way, why shouldn´t it detect solar-flares while they are active? They seem to last at least several minutes (in Time they tried it for sme hours times but got only bad conections which only happens on destiny style gates as they are not as advanced) In stargate coninuum baals time-travel machine seems to work like earhts dialing computer as it dials solar flares without the use of an dhd. As already mentioned there has to be more than just a few time travelers if the time travel cant be prevented. So Sheppards trip to the future was the one of a million chance that the flare happens en route, while the other incidents were caused by too low security standards. As McKay said in 28 hours the gate should never be used without a DHD.

sg27--80.226.224.227 21:31, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Limited range for the Destiny gate
It says on GateWorld in an interview with a producer that the Destiny's gate is a prototype and has limited range and can't go jumping to every planet in it's galaxy as the MW and PG ones can - and that makes sense for why they can't dial any planets they previously visited - but it also seems like the Ancients momentairly lost all common sense. Firstly - what possible use would there be in establishing a gate network in a galaxy if the gates can't actually reach each other. Secondly - how come Earth wanted the Destiny to power up it's gate and dial home if it couldn't reach that far. Thirdly - how did the Ancients hope to reach Destiny if the only gates they had were that crap - and if they were as short range as they seem, what's the point in using them at all! I'm very tired at the moment so I can't think of more reasons but I'm sure they exist. So go on, discuss :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 23:12, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that to establish galaxy-wide network you need to meke complex observations, calculations and other weir science stuff. If ancients deside to colonize galaxy, they would send observatory eqipments via Destiny as well as specialist and then they would be able to create DHD and finaly establish the network-as-we-see-in-civilized-galaxies --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 00:16, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, they'd have to, you know, calculate some locations and stuff to make the system work. Secondly, I believe it has the capability to dial everywhere like the newer gates, but it requires more power due to the more primitive calculations. Thirdly, they had an Icarus type planet, which is a huge power source. Way more powerful than ZedPMs. At least, this is what I theorize and think. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 13:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, maybe they need to use an 8 symbol addresses to travel anywhere in the galaxy they are in, plus like a naquada generator or some equivalent--99.135.151.8 18:13, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Early generation has a bigger limit, a matter of programming and power, they launch the destiny, and the seed ships with first generation gates, which have limited range, they may not be able to use one to see the whole galaxy, but with a decent ship, with a gate, similar to the destiny, you can quickly go to and from all local gates nearly instantly, and then travel to another set of local gates later. They may very well have planned to update the gates accross the universe at some point in time, expanding the programming/power(deploying dialing devices), but first they just wanted to get som general gates out there, while doing some exploration. They later decided not to go to the destiny, perhaps because of local concerns, and maybe awareness that they could not return from the destiny in a short time frame.74.129.75.153 21:29, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kawoosh and The Iris
With the iris in some instances they close it before the kawoosh effect or in some cases gates are buried.

If their is even a slight gap (like created by the particle accelerator in A Hundred Days) shouldn't the kawoosh effect destroy any matter in its way and make the buried gate open?

In 100 Days, Carter suggests that the stargate was still open when the meteor hit it, where molton naquadah hardened around it creating a sort of iris. It would have the same affect as our Iris. They use the to Particle accelerator to melt the naquadah to make a small pocket for the kawoosh to take its normal effect. However if a Gate is properly buried, you couldnt connect to it at all.

Thank You —ElChristo (talk) (Contribs) 01:10, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

supply
well since theres a finite number of stargates, isnt it a bad idea for everyone to destroy them...also when the Attero device was activated how come only some gates were destroyed...and how heavy are they to move, e.g could you take one from a planet and put it in a ship for easy travel...further more could terrestrial gates work in space as spacegates — 22:59, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. When the Attero device was activated, only gates that were then activated would blow up. 2. The gates weigh around 60,000 pounds. 3. Yes you could take one on a ship, they strap one to a X-302 is Redemption, Part 2. 4. They stated in SG-1 that you can not dial to a ship unless it's in orbit around a planet, so that suggest that you can not dial terrestrial gates if they are in space. In Atlantis it's revealed that it is possible, but you have to reset the gates location otherwise it just thinks it's in the same place. You'd think the Ancients would build some kind of system that could scan stars or something. --Donovan-j-charlie (talk) (Contribs) 00:46, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Correlative update system? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 11:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Atlantis can update a location's address? does that mean that if they dont like a planet they can just move its address into some random point in space or to some other planet?--99.135.144.237 01:55, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Destiny Spacegate
Oh, Wow! Major "Epiphany"-like moment here... lol. How would a Destiny-style Stargate work floating in space like a space gate!!!!! I mean, it couldn't... right? I mean, it would probably be the same situation as if a Destiny-style Stargate was laying flat on the ground. And to think, the Ancients created this grand device that won't work without a cheap, $5 stand to put it on... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 04:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it had power, it would link up like every other gate, just in space. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:44, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * What Penga said. The Spacegates in Pegasus get power from the pod thingies, if the Seeder ships were programmed to make Spacegates and install same type pods, we might see them, except it'd take millions of years for Destiny to reach the said Spacegates. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 08:09, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's actually a technical necessisity for it to spin around, I'm sure it would just connect normaly. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * But the gate has to move to where the correct glyph can be activated/energized, i guess they could have a pod in space that works like destiny's gate bearing but it wouldn't by clear if the bearing or the gate was spinning -99.135.151.172 20:37, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure if the Ancients wanted to make a ship to go through spacegates it would be fairly easy. And the gates don't actually need to spin to lock the cheverons, they just do it for asthetics. I really doubt that the spinning is a neccessity. 94.72.231.228 22:02, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever mechanism rotates the gate is inside the gate, so in space on on the ground it would rotate. Lying flat it would probably just start spinning in a circle or something. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:26, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

They don't even have means to go through the spacegates. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 20:38, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

you know i just thought why didn't the lucians throw a stun bomb through the gate before boarding like the wraith did in midway. surely they have a wide area of effect stun device like that. 04:21, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Given the speed at which they were ejected, it'd probably fly right back into the gate and be worthless. Not that they'd know that. They probably figured they were getting the drop on the crew already. Tossing a flash-bang in to subdue unarmed people is just advanced warning when you can't really know who's on the other side. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:35, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why are objects launched through the gate though when it's dialed from the Milky Way? When Atlantis is dialed in Pegasus, travelling objects aren't tossed through. So why the Destiny Gate? Also, why can't radio signals be sent back through the Destiny Gate to the Milky Way? It first happened with Lt. Scott when he first arrived on the ship then it happened again later with the Lucian Alliance when they boarded the ship. I thought that energy can be sent both ways through a wormhole and that an object entering a wormhole at a certain speed will come out the other end at that same speed. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:54, May 19, 2010 (UTC)