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Copywrite Text
I removed the definitely copyrighted text. Does anyone know where the first paragraph comes from?--GingerM 16:39, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I checked and its fine now. The first paragraph is original while the second is a quote.--GingerM 17:03, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Spelling
Navel quarantine? ''Really? 84.209.50.143 00:20, April 27, 2010 (UTC)''
 * Really.  - 00:37, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * no, oranges  01:28, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

door copied info for reformatting from Knightriderstargate
Door Control Crystal the control crystals in the door glow a bright blue colour while after being displaced from its slot it stops glowing. it consists of 3 crystals.to hack the door to make t open you have to do this: 1.take the top crystal out, then replace the top crystal with the second crystal. 2.insert the top crystal into the second slot. 3.if it dosen't open follow the "second instructions". The Second Instructions 1.this is the only one but here it goes, use the second (displaced) crystal to bridge crystals

Secondary command center
Dosen't Atlantis feature a secondary command post (like the Enterprise NCC-1701-D battle brige) -- Awar 14:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
 * It certainly doesn`t seem to as far as we`ve seen so far anyway...perhaps because it`s not meant to be a warship? &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir  (talk)  14:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure it was shown/mentioned in the episode the tower! -- Awar 15:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Hmm...from what I remember of that episode, McKay was simply able to program a console to take control of the engines, but that it wasn't designed to let him do that...I may be wrong though, and I'd have to watch the episode again to make sure. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir  (talk)  16:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You do that!, I am pretty sure that in one episode (The Tower) Macay enters the Auxilery control room which he use's to take control of the city. information from [Atlantis]! -- Awar 16:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
 * There is an Auxilary Control Room: McKay calls it that in The Tower but he couldn't access all of The Tower's systems from there (ZPM was probably too depleted to bring many of them online) and there was one in The Lost Tribe as well and The Return part 2.

In lost tribe they just used an ordinary room with computers in it. But dont forget the chair can take control of any system connected to it as it is interfaced into the main control thing like when Mckay reconfigured the power system, allthough you might still need the password for the system. In this way its sorta like another control room, allthough only one person can use it at once so itd be hard to permenantly run the entire city. Itd be good if theyd show the chair dialling the gate.

For the auxilary control room Mckay said that the city ship shown in The Tower was almost identical to Atlantis in design so is it maybe possible atlantis does not have one of these rooms?

Drone supply
How many drones does Atlantis have. Think it has 100,000 or more and Aurora's have 20,000 or more


 * Dunno: thousands at least, but all of the originals were depleted, the ones we got now are from The Tower city-ship.


 * I doubt Auroras will have anywhere near 20,000. I mean, think about it - it takes like 10 drones to destroy a hive ship, it if could launch a stream of 20,000 it wouldn't really be much of a war :D The Aurora could take out the entire Wraith fleet in like 10 seconds if it did. Sman789 22:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The Orion lauched way more than 10 or so drones against that hive-ship. I think the Aurora-class has around 300-700 drones and each launching well of a city-ship has about the same number as the Antarctic outpost, if not a little more. So Atlantis probably has around 30,000 drones at full capacity. —AscendedAlteran 00:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I reckon a hive could be destroyed with about 10 drones (since a Goa'uld ship only takes 2,) but it would have taken longer (they would have punched through the hull more and not exploded for a few more seconds) so the Orion probably fired more than neccessary as it was about to be destroyed. Sman789 20:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually the Orion probably fired enough drones to destroy both hive-ships rather quickly, but for some reason they only targeted one of them. —AscendedAlteran 23:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The people flying it wern't scientists they probably didnt know how many they would need, but yeah it is odd they only shot one ship at once. Sman789 21:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I seriously doubt that Lorne or Zelenka actually chose how many drones the Orion launched. Shields were almost down and they were getting hammered. So it was probably the Ancient's firing program that launched that many drones. I think the only reason they only shot at one ship was because the writers they needed the other hive-ship intact for the plot. —AscendedAlteran 00:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Capital
Atlantis couldnt possibly have been the capital city of the ancients. I think it was more likely to have been a colony ship that later functioned as like a military base and only became the capaital when the real capital was wiped out along with all the other large cities by the wraith because they probably couldnt sink themselves, being on land and whatnot. I think they were most probably like Asuras, a planet covered in towers almost everywhere, and probably with some nice grassy areas too and mountains surrounded by cities. Think about just how big an average city on earth is, and think about how big they will be in like 50 years at the current rate of growth. Not to mention atlantis has little to nothing you would expect in a city (Recreational facilities, houses, proper council halls, construction areas, children's areas, civilian workplaces, proper science centres, schools, museums, shipyards........The list is virtually endless!) The society just couldnt have worked in something as small as Atlantis. Where would you go for runs or to enjoy a movie (or ancient holo-movie or whatever.) It couldnt have possibly have been the ancient's capital. Sman789 20:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well i short of disagree because if Atlantis took the Wraith's years to attack and it holds some of the most powerful technology i think there capital will be way more advanced


 * Remember that Atlantis can change planets without too much bother when fully powered, so maybe Atlantis settled first on a different planet, and used to be part of a larger city that grew up around it, like the duplicate Atlantis on Asuras, which was comprimised by the Wraith, and the Ancients launched Atlantis and came to the planet Lantea to avoid the Wraith. I do admit that this is unlikely though, since the Ancients in Pegasus called themselves Lanteans (I think), which suggests that Lantea was the first planet they came to. It's a nice idea though. -- Commander_morrissey 22:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Size
Does anybody have any idea just how big Atlantis is supposed to be? I mean, given the size of the Gate Room and the Jumper Bay the central tower can't be that much biggere than the Empire State Building - around 1400 ft - which would make the rest of the city less than 2 miles wide, which wouldn't account for Rodeny's statement that exploring the entire city would be 'like searching every room in every building in Manhattan', since at less than 2 miles Atlantis could sit very comfortably inside the long edge of Central Park! I could be wrong though, and Rodney could have been exaggerating, but I don't remember anybody giving any defining statements as to exactly how big the city is. Just wondering if anybody else had. -- Commander_morrissey 21:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know there has been no definitive size attributed to Atlantis. However, from the final shots of Enemy at the Gate, we can see they're sitting on the ocean side of the Golden Gate Bridge, looking into San Fran Bay. Judging by the angle, it looks as though they're sitting inside the bay, so at most...2, 3mi? However, it could be a zoom and they could be sitting in the open ocean, there's just no telling. Also, we don't know how big Manhattan is in SG's universe. Could be it's 2mi wide. —Ka&#39;lel 22:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that the whole base of the city is inhabitable and could be much deeper than it looks when partially submerged when Atlantis floats. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 17:21, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

the big hole on the underside
looking at the bottom of a city ship you see a hole where the center of it is the central building, and thats it. how ever from the top you see many building surrounding it.
 * It is likely that there is quite a bit of mass on the underside of the city-ship as well as above. Remember, the Stardrive needs to go somewhere. If you notice, the city has engines on its underside except under the control tower. The top of the city is on the same plane, the hole is only in the middle of the underside where there isn't an engine extending out. (If that description works... ) &mdash;Anubis 10545 16:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What I want to know is what that hole is for. The only thing I can think of is to reduce the weight. —AscendedAlteran 19:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Look at the beginning of Rising; it appears as if it is where the outpost "fits in", like a landing pad.

I want proof
where does it say that atlantis is 800 + meters
 * Stargate Atlantis: Angelus -- Matthew R Dunn 00:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The  "[1]"  next to where is says 800+ in the infobox directs you to the bottom of the page where it gives the source. That's how some of the info is sourced here.&mdash;Anubis 10545 00:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

thanks, i was just hoping that it was from something credible and it is so thats good unlike that crappy magizine any way if its 800 + did the book mention what the plus is like 850 815 810 899 any thing.


 * what?? that's barely bigger than a ha'tak  01:56, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The main tower is taller then a ha'tak but it's obviously much wider. Fans have placed Atlantis to be 3,000 some-odd hundred meters in diameter. I like to pretend it's at least double that.  ¥  S uper N ovice  ↔ T alk 2 M e   ¥  02:01, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's got to be much bigger than 800 meters, 304's can land on it's piers, which it has 6 of. And in "Flesh and blood" we can see the size relation of a 304 and a ha'tak. Once again some fruity flover boy writer making stupid measurements. SG Magazine and novel writers could seriously stop pumping out this so called "canon" information that some ppl are so happy to promote even if they know it's wrong. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 00:08, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * For a start, it's got to be more than 800 meters 'tall for that reason? I think not. The city isn't all that tall. It's wide, but take a look at any of the images of it, the height is going to be the smallest dimension. Second of all, the fact that the novel says it's more than 800 meters tall could mean anything. It could be 801, it could be 5,000,000, it just can't be under 800. I fail to see how this is a problem. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir  (talk)  02:19, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, backed the wrong horse on this one. Those previous comments made it sound that the city was 800 meters wide. It could well be 800 meters high, that would be about as tall as this thing.
 * P.S. I still stand behind my previous opinion about these writers. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 10:34, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Revealed Atlantis for the public.
Atlantis will remain on Earth forever now? Or will it leave the earth again and went back to the Pegasus? And what happens if any civilian who would see a bird, for example, fly straight through the cloaking shield?

I think Atlantis should deactive its cloaking shield, and the entire Stargate program shall be revealed to the rest of the world for them has the right to know what has gone on to SGC during those 10 years and Pegasus for 5 years.--DannyJackson (talk) (Contribs) 13:51, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why wasn't there a tsunami when it landed? Assuming it didn't propel itself through the water (although that would also cause a pretty big wave) then it must have plonked itself right next to the bridge, and look what a wave it makes when it lands on other planets. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 13:54, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

in season 4 Sheppard couldnt maintain complete control of the citys landing and caused it to hit the water pretty hard causing a tidal wave whereas when it lands on earth they have enough power to make a gentle landing 92.2.84.121 10:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lost for 10,000 years, or simply  ignored ?
After the city was submerged at the end of the Lantean-Wraith war, did the wriath never try in the next 10,000 years to simply  gate  to atlantis? I mean did they not even attempt to send a probe through to see if anything was still down there ? Lantean tech is pretty well prized and even if they made the assumption that atlantis was destroyed (which was already a long shot to assume that an 800 meter city just simply disappeared with no wreckage) they could have made some attempt to discover just how well they had beaten there foes (not doing so would be tactically unsound). We also need to reasonably assume that the atlantis address is pretty well known seeing as it was the capital of an empire and after many years of war and numerous captives taken for feedings it is  impossible  the wraith would not know the address. And if not the wraith then why could one of the other gate active peoples of Pegasus attempt to discover atlantis, after 10,000 years of opression and struggles to survive  none  of them attempted to seek out the greatest source of technology that could ensure their survival, they all just simply wrote off the city as destroyed and went on with their merry lives until the humans (Americans) could come along and save the day? I mean no disrespect to the show itself (which is one of my favorites) however I think they are in need of a reasonable explanation for this rather major continuity flaw.


 * Before the Lanteans left they set up a program or command so that only a stargate dialing from Earth's location(completely unknown to the galaxy at large) could connect to Atlantis' stargate. With Atlantis shield up there is absolutely no way to gain entry to the city when it's hundreds of meters underwater as weapons fire is weakened trying to burn through the water and negligible if it does reach the shield. The location of Atlantis was also most likely lost to the ages with the wraith, with there ever lasting life, still remembering as they were there personally attacking it.  ¥  S uper N ovice  ↔ T alk 2 M e   ¥  17:25, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

location
where -is- the ship floating on during most of the episodes? Lantea or Earth? —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 07:30, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Season 1-3 It's on Lantea, Season 4-5 it's on M35-117 and the series finale has it on Earth.  ¥  S uper N ovice  ↔ T alk 2 M e   ¥  07:37, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * thx —Asdf1239 (talk) (Contribs) 07:51, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

weir alternate realities
why is there a link  Elizabeth Weir  its misleading— 22:05, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * alright you win its 2 on 1 — 01:14, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Upgrade
Shouldn´t there be noticed, that in Tao of Rodney, McKay upgraded the cities energysystem? Atlantis was designed to be powered by 3 ZPM, he probably changed this, so Atlantis uses a single ZPM more effective. 80.226.45.137 21:25, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Rodney, indeed, made a lot of changes in the city's power system, but, as I read here, Atlantis can use one single ZPM to operate its normal systems (depending on the ocasion), like the gate, city's shield, gate's shield... But to fly safely the city requirers 3 ZPMs - many of the ZPMs' power is used in the first minutes, when the Stardrive is being activated. 200.20.228.46 20:57, April 8, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo


 * Just beacuse he modified it to work better for the tau'ri purposes, does not mean he upgraded it, only modified it to fit their needs better. This could have something to do with them powering it through Naquadah reactors, or 1 ZPM instead of 3. But as was established in the episode with alternate timeline Doctor Weir, the city typically used only 1 ZPM at a given time, and rotating it between ZPMs, can help conserve power. His modifications could have had something to do with only powering certain parts of the city at a given time, because they were in more dire need of energy conservation procedures, or powering the city using naquadah reactors.74.129.75.153 23:30, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Atlantis' Status on Earth (several million years ago)
I'm not sure if I read this here, but it doesn't matter...

I read that Atlantis was the capital of the Ancient society while they were on Earth, several million years ago. If that is true, why were they building Vis Uban (the crown jewel of their domain in the Milky Way) to be the new capital? They would just left Atlantis behind? Plus: why would Atlantis be the capital (a great metallic structure) if they prefered naquadah enriched stone to build their structures?

In my opinion, Atlantis was first built to be the lifeboat the Ancients used to left the Milky Way. The city was only elevated to capital when they were living in Pegasus. 200.20.228.46 20:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)Leonardo


 * I suggested something earlier on this page under "Capital". I'll paste it here:
 * "Atlantis couldnt possibly have been the capital city of the ancients. I think it was more likely to have been a colony ship that later functioned as like a military base and only became the capaital when the real capital was wiped out along with all the other large cities by the wraith because they probably couldnt sink themselves, being on land and whatnot. I think they were most probably like Asuras, a planet covered in towers almost everywhere, and probably with some nice grassy areas too and mountains surrounded by cities. Think about just how big an average city on earth is, and think about how big they will be in like 50 years at the current rate of growth. Not to mention atlantis has little to nothing you would expect in a city (Recreational facilities, houses, proper council halls, construction areas for ships, children's areas, civilian workplaces........The list is endless!) The society just couldnt have worked in something as small as atlantis. Where would you go for runs or to enjoy a movie (or ancient holo-movie or whatever.) It couldnt have possibly have been the ancient's capital."
 * Atlantis would in this case have just been built to be a mobile base which could also be used as a colony ship/lifeboat. 77.86.114.238 23:08, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's to say they don't actually have those amenities. As far as I'm concerned we haven't seen enough of the city to be actually sure whether they lack those facilities or not. Plus the Ancients may have had a different approach to entertainment, we are of course of a different culture to them so their idea of "entertainment" may be going through some equations or speaking to those whale-like things.
 * 86.150.171.200 21:32, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 86.150.171.200 21:32, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Power
The Expedition obviously needs to conserve as much power as possible so has anyone else noticed that they seem to like lighting up the entire city which no doubt drains a fair amountBlueSquadron (talk) (Contribs) 09:44, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed that too. In Progidal it seems to even shock them when the city is dark. Jauh0 (talk) (Contribs) 00:12, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Back on Earth?
I don't think that statement on how the 9th chevron was found while Atlantis was back on earth is factual. In the Wiki page of Enemy at the Gate, it says in the Background Notes that Joseph Mallozzi confirmed that the Odyssey's secret mission was Icarus Base related. Meaning the 9th chevron was already found way before Enemy at the Gate.

They may not have known the 9th cheveron address but they would have known that it would of take a lot of power to dial the 9th cheveron address more than a ZPM. They may have just been setting up the base.A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 18:18, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

I believe I read somewhere that they knew the 9th chevron adress but was unable to dial it due to the massive power requirmentsOberoth20 (talk) (Contribs) 21:38, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Return to Pegasus?
Atlantis is still on earth in the mainstream timeline, until it is stated otherwise I think that the History: Return to Pegasus section should be concidered an alternate reality version. Oberoth20 (talk) (Contribs) 21:48, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Stargate Atlantis: Legacy is set after the final season episode Enemy at the Gate. I don't think that we should call the History: Return to Pegasus section an alternate reality version. Stargate Atlantis: Legacy is a new book series and is not an alternate reality version.--TyphussJediVader (talk) (Contribs) 16:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have not read the book yet, but from what I have heard and read it does not add up, I mean they can't allow Atlantis to return to Pegasus now that the weapons platform has been destroyed, without Atlantis earth would be defenseless and a 304 would have to be in orbit all the time. Oberoth20 (talk) (Contribs) 22:24, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Tech Change
Throughout the series I have seen that the expedition has mostly relied on and perfered earth based technology although the Ancient tech is much more advanced. Also in seasons 1 - 4 the teams used ancient scanners but in season 5 they began using the less advanced Tau'ri Version can anyone tell me why this is Oberoth20 (talk) (Contribs) 00:02, April 11, 2012 (UTC)