Talk:Stargate

Stargate variant
Didn't the Pegasus Replicators use a modified stargate that only had 8 Chevrons? There's a picture of it in here: Stargate (device) on Wikipedia. -
 * They did indeed. Also, the orbital Stargate seen in the Stargate Atlantis season 5 episode Ghost in the Machine seemed to have only 8 chevrons as well, though that may have been an oversight on part of the SFX department. - Bell&#39;Orso 13:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that I write to the old topic but i think it is worth the risk. Do we really now that asurans satelite has only 8 chevrons? I know. we can argue that it is asuran design and thus yes but we cannot say that it had only 8 chevrons in that episode. We cannot say it because in some episodes the gates had also only 8 chevrons and in one episode, it was even the milky way stargate with 8 chevrons. For example here are episodes where I noticed bad gate -  (there in the bridge there are both gates bad. Even milky way  had only 8 chevrons), ,  ,   and  but here i am not sure, it is case of milky way gate. it has very strange position of the chevrons but is not clearly visible so I think it is also wrong gate. If I am right. entire problem with 8 chevrons is only bad model used by animators. They simply did not notice it. what do you thing?--ScorpiO 05:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity error == In the episode "Children of the Gods" they travel back and forward in the wormhole (Apophis and his men). -
 * No they don't, they dial the gate with a wristworn DHD. Iaselar 18:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Ever sins the arctic gate was destroyed earth has been using the browed Russian gate witch has caused many political problems so why could they not just have taken a star gate from any uninhabited planet wit the Prometheus or one of the over ships
 * Because they dont need to and it would be a waste of time and resources finding one that isnt being used. Sman789 20:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

They managed to find 34 gates in the milky way system to build the intergalactic gate bridge, 35 was to much I don't think so and keep in mind that A lot of milky way gates Are unused or on uninhabited planets

Image
Would it be possible for someone to come up with a better LEGAL image for the infobox. The current picture (in my opinion) doesn't reflect on the true greatness of how the Stargate actually looks.&mdash;Anubis 10545 22:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, I can't find a better image and as this will soon be the featured article, I'd really rather have a better picture to put on the front page.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The Tollans as Gatebuilders
According to the current text: "The Ancients, the Nox, the Asurans and the Tollans are the only known races that have managed to build Stargates." Given the specifics of the Tollan Stargate (history section), I'm not sure the Tollans should be credited with building a stargate. I believe the "spirit" of line I quoted above is to point out the races that have the technological-know how to build a gate. Under this intrepreation, the Ori are also Gatebuilders.--Slackergate5 10:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Nox built it for the Tollan, or at least told them how to build it, so no they shouldnt be on the list.


 * Looking at the Transcript: it reads:

Narim- The Nox and the Tollan were able to devise a way to get us there.

Carter- So you built that... Stargate? Narim- Yes. Because of this, the Tollan should be credited.&mdash;Anubis 10545 18:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that the fundamental problem we are debating is whether a particular race has the technological know-how to independently build a stargate. Since the Tollan needed the assistance of the Nox, they obviously lacked the aforementioned ability to design/build a stargate. Perhaps the article should be changed to read:

The Ancients, the Nox, the Asurans and the Ori are the only known races that have the necessary knowledge needed to independently construct Stargates.--Slackergate5 21:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

well here's the thing. the ancients are the ORIGINAL gatebuilders. all the other races built them after the ancients did. the tollan built their stargate with the help from the nox. the ori used ascended knowledge. the stargate was thought up of by an ancient just be4 he left the planet in the ark of truth.—SupremeCommander 19:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The planet, and the whole Ori Galaxy.Supakillaii 19:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Entering a receiving wormhole...
I just watched A Hundred Days and they send a MALP through a stargate which is facing upwards and the MALP is destroyed shortly after leaving the wormhole. Is this reason enough to say that entering a receiving wormhole is like standing in the kawoosh instead of saying it it unknown what happens? --SilentGuy 22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd agree it is Sman789 22:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you watch the episode "Shades of Gray" where O'Neill sticks his gun in an incoming wormhole to hold it open, it would seem that the hyperspatial buffer thing works both ways. Seeing as how communications can travel both ways through a wormhole, I theorize that you would be changed to energy and go through the wormhole, however, you would not be rematerialized once you reached the other side. But that is just going by what the show has shown me in some of the episodes, it seems like they change the rules a lot. What I really want to see is someone enter from the back. I'm not sure what would happen, but I am sure that hilarity would ensue. --Undomesticatedequine69 16:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Page main image
Does anyone else dislike having a Pegasus spacegate as the main image, I know an image of a milky way gate in the SGC is lower down but I would like this instead to be the primary image. Although I would prefer an image of a stargate in one of those stone platforms since that seems how they appear in most of the galaxy. Such as this | wikipedia image

Fa6ade 11:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Not that one, it focuses on Oneil as much as it does on the gate. I'm sure there are better ones. But I agree a milky way gate on a stone platform would be a good idea.
 * Previously we had an image of a Milky Way gate that wasn't even from the series (being a drawn rendition). While I too would prefer a Milky Way gate, the clearest and most descriptive image of a Stargate available is a Pegasus galaxy one. Also, we could never get an image of a Milky Way gate by itself because it would need to be on a planet to be clear enough to get a fair description of (whereas Pegasus gate are usually seen in space and therefore the gate itself is the main focus.)&mdash;Anubis 10545 03:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that it makes most sense to use a Pegasus Stargate. They are the latest model/version of the Stargate. Do you use a turn-dial telephone to show off the technology of telephones, or do you use a more modern, sophisticated example, like a wireless phone (cordless landline/mobile phone).
 * Also, Pegasus gates are much prettier :) 24.245.105.48 07:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Milky Way gates kick butt! And I'll have you know I love my rotary phone! --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 19:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

History of Stargates on Earth
I was looking for information on the two Earth Stargates, and I can't find it here... I mean like a progression of who owned which gate, etc. I've only watched through Season 5, and this is what I gathered so far:


 * 1) Stargate is first discovered in Egypt. The U.S. acquires this Stargate; the Russians  come into possession of the dialing device for it.
 * 2) Second Stargate with DHD is discovered in Antarctica, and is used for some time by NID, later sealed/unused.
 * 3) The first Stargate from Egypt is beamed onto the Asgard ship, and is recovered by Russians from the ocean when the Asgard ship is destroyed. Now Russians have both the Egyptian Stargate and the dialing device for it.
 * 4) In the U.S., SGC retrieves the Antarctica gate to use instead of the Egypt one. I'm assuming, they must have the dialing device somewhere, but they don't use it because they have computer setup that they like, that keeps track of known locations, of where they went and where not to go under any circumstances, etc.
 * 5) SGC borrows the Russian DHD and it's accidentally destroyed.

-- 69.254.170.227 23:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The Beta gates DHDs power source was depleted shortly after it was recovered. I think it was said in the episode where Teal'c was stuck in the gate Supakillaii 11:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

destiny's gate
It might be important to note that the shape of the glowing part of the Destiny's gate is actually the shape of the ship.

the destiny stargate has different glyphs then other stargates in the way the glyphs don't appear to be constellations i think this must be so it can more easily interface with other networks with other constellationsSirhobo33 (talk) (Contribs) 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

weight
i thought the stargate weighed like sixty something tons

Constructors
I do believe Ori built few of them too. Supakillaii 11:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Partially buried stargates
It is said that stargates can be sealed by burying them at least partially on the ground, but some stargates, like Atlantis' of Destiny's have the lower part of the gate in the floor, so they should'nt be able to work. And there are no visible retractable parts of the floor to uncover the gates lower portion, so how can they work? Zeldafan (talk) (Contribs) 03:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All/most of the gates on planets are like that. I haven't really thought of that... Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 05:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It must need to be buried up to the point where it would interfere with the "kwoosh". may be it is a fail-safe to keep some idiot from standing in an activating gateSirhobo33 (talk) (Contribs) 23:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Transmission...
"The gate does not begin transmitting an object until it has entirely passed through the event horizon."

I seem to remember an episode where some one tied themselves to something and went through the gate. They emerged hanging on the other side. Is there any explanation or theory for that? --71.79.134.3 21:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, rope is a special material capable of violating the laws of physics for the enjoyment of an audience. --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 19:47, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Icarus Base point of origin
When they dial the 9th chevron at icarus base, they use the Earth point of origin (for reasons that are, to me, inadequately explained, but I'll let that pass because the writers are charting new territory and will probably come back to it later). Oddly, though, the symbol for the point of origin is Earth's second stargate's point of origin (the one with the pyramid). Shouldn't it be the original (antarctic) gate's point of origin symbol? My reasoning is that Icarus Base was built by the Ancients long before Ra brought the second gate to earth. I realize this is almost certainly the writers choosing a well-known symbol that "most" fans would recognize instead of being strictly correct to their own history, but I think there should at least be a note to this effect in the article. 68.118.226.15 02:28, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

what gate came 1st?
ok with the new SG:U now on the air i have a question? what gate style was created 1st, i have the following notes that all conflict with other notes: 1. in SG1 the "beta" gate had the "the oldest one (DHD) in the gate system" and that the power supply was dead after a few tests, 2. SG:A the city of Atlantis is the home city of the gate builders, one would think that the Atlantis gate style would be older since it is inbeded into the gate room of Atlantis (until that gate blew up and was replaced) 3. Destiny is a "gate seedship" and was launched before Pegasus was seeded (if the map in the first ep was correct, the crew said "Pegasus") and Destiny must be older then Atlantis due to the look of theship

so far i see no issues Destiny's gate style came first, then they created the Milkyway style then the built Atlantis (the city ship) and as they built it the Pegasus gate was built with it, or was placed there after it left to Pegasus) however in Ark of Truth we see that book from the guy that created the stargates, the timeship and other cool toys we wish was real, the book is the earliest known picture of the Stargate since it is BEFORE IT WAS BUILT he told that woman "I have an idea to tell you" or something like that, the book and the picture is on this page shows the Milkyway gate (the glyphs are the Milkyway ones)

so now we have:

1. Ark of Truth: book shows 1st Stargate before any of them are built as the Milkyway style 2. SG:U: Destiny started from Earth and enters Pegasus (assuming it seeded all planets that it could) it seeded Pegasus and continued out to the other galaxies until us humans ended up on it 3. SG1 the beta gate issue

it could be that the Beta gate was the 1st gate to be created ever, based of the book from Ark of Truth and somehow it falled, but if that is true then why go back to it after they started to seed planets with the Destiny style gates?

also if Destiny seeded Pegasus then why are they not the same style, Destiny was an unmaned seed ship that started from Earth did the computer say "i hate the look of the stargates (Destiny style) i'm going to make it look like this (Milkyway style)." then said "i hate the look of the stargates (Milkyway style) i'm going to make it look like this (Pegasus style)."

sorry for the ranting i love the shows (all of them) and the movies i wish Atlantis lasted longer -- Marc Chase, sorry no log-on name:-)


 * The Destiny is NOT a seed ship. It was built after the seed ships were launched, as a way for the Ancients to explore the galaxies after the stargates were planted. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 16:58, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

i think destinys the most improved variant. the entire gate moves when dialling. also they have the PDA thing which dials. —DeadReanimation (talk) (Contribs) 10:48, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Well look like we all have conflict about which stargate design came first. However if we undestand carefully on what are written on some article in stargate wiki like in Ancients and Lanteans, we might guess which came first. Okay try and think when the Ancient left their home galaxy and find their way to Avalon (Milky Way galaxy), they built the first Stargate Network in Milky Way using the design that came up by Amelius. Understand this sentence I took from the Ancient article carefully,

"the Ancients seemed to have a preference for stone structures enriched with Naquadah for strength while in the Milky Way galaxy."

"Even their technology appeared stone like. The Stargates had their symbols engraved on them, and spin when dialing. They were also known for writing information on stone tablets."

From this two sentence, we can conclude that the Milky Way design was the first among the three design that had been mention in the Stargate canon. In fact the Milky Way design look like a stone structure. Later when the Ancient left the Milky Way and head to Pegasus galaxy in order to escaped the plague they suffering in Milky Way, they built the new Stargate Network with a metallic design. Even their technology were built in metallic. For this understand the sentence below,

"When in the Pegasus Galaxy they built more metallic looking structures, but when they returned back to the milky way, they constructed in a Stone appearance again. One suggestion for this is that, when compared with the ancient technology in the milky way, the anciant structures in pegasus is relatively new (only 10,000 years old instead of 50 million years old)."

"After traveling to the Pegasus Galaxy, the Ancients built structures of metal, and they were quite large."

"Their technology also appeared more advanced, made of metal instead of stone; it was also digitalized, like the symbols on the Stargates in the Pegasus Galaxy, and utilized crystals in their consoles instead of stone tablets."

This mean that the design in pegasus were made of metal instead of stone and was the lastest design. In addition the Stargate did not spin like those in Milky Way and this design could superseed the Milky Way design. From this we can conclude that the Pegasus design might be either second or last as it was after Milky Way design. This leave the destiny design to be also after the Milky way design but might be before the Pegasus design. Why I say this? This because the Destiny design were made of Metal not stone. In addition Destiny were launced on Terra before the Plague outbreak. The technology between the Milky Way and Pegasus were also seen in the destiny whci is the strgate soin and made of metal with. From this we can conclude the 1. Milky Way design 2. Destiny design 3. Pegasus design. —Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 22:14, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * My theory is that Ancient seeded few gates per galaxy later planning to use this planets as basis for colonization. But after plague they desised to colonize only pegasus --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 12:31, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Destiny Gates spinning
The whole gate actually spins. Not just the front. This can be seen in SGU Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:22, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yes! I knew it! The whole gate spins! In your face :) —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 02:29, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey man, I was on your side until I saw that behind the scenes video and I questioned whether or not I had actually ever seen the entire thing spin. I even undid that guy's edit, then undid my edit and apologized for undoing his edit...so...yeah. Cheers! - 03:01, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

On the Stargate article, we currently have info that contradicts itself, saying the whole thing both does and does not spin. I read what that blog said, but in the video you can clearly see (besides just taking that narrator's word for it) that the rear half stays stationary while the front spins.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 03:36, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

That's only the prop. Check SGU Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40 for the whole gate spinning. It is also seen when the Destiny Gate dials, if I remember correctly. I'll look for a vid where the gate on Destiny spins. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:00, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, only good clip there is that shows that the whole gate dials, is in Air, Part 3 at 02:38-02:40 and then we have Josephs word. What else do you need? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:28, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't need anything. I've seen Air several times and I always had suspected that the entire thing spun (I was a firm believer of that to start with). But, it seemed more plausible if only the front did (and the video confirmed that). But, as you see, these two sources contradicted each other so there was a reasonable amount of confusion present. Ok, we will go with the entire thing spinning. Wow, isn't that fun...—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 17:50, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, that "you" was meant as a general and wasn't directed specifically at anyone... —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:57, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Destiny Gate Glyphs
Just noticed that the Destiny's gate glyphs appear to be based on Morse Code...while there are differences I have found many Letters in Morse actually on the gate...if anyone wants t check this further then that would be of use in understanding the new gates—82.36.58.211 17:04, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Hi...me again....the Ancients must have used a code system to identify gate in other galaxys using a generic gate. The Milky and Pegasus gates are specific to their galaxies with all the different constellations while the Destiny's are a Alphanumerical code to identify address. An Ancient Morse code if you wish...this is further reinforced by how Eli Wallace solve the 9th Chevron issue.

Gates and Time Travel: Mayor Plot Hole?
Up until now, we have seen Stargate personell to travel through time involuntarily for 3 times between 1997 and 2009(Episodes: 1969 (episode), The Last Man and Time). It is also shown that all kinds of Stargate designs that we know of are suspectible to this problem, regardless of methods of dialling or power supply (Manual Dialling, SGC Dialling computer, Pegasus DHD, Stargate Remote, Atlantis DHD (not actually shown)). Now consider that there are other groups in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies that use the Gate system, i.e. the Wraith, the Free Jaffa Nation, the Lucian Alliance and many many more smaller factions like most peoples encountered in the Pegasus galaxy. Therefore, it is most likely that the SGC only accounts for a small percentage of overall gate travel. Lets just assume for now the average over the years has been 5% (IMHO still too much).

So, when 5% of the overall gate travel causes 3 incidents in 12 years, 100% of the overall gate travel cause 60 incidents within this time. Or: 5 involuntary time travelers per YEAR! Keep in mind that the gate system has been in use for several million years... even if there were periods of far less gate travel, the number of time travellers could add up well into the millions.

Some questions: 1. Did I get this right, or does anyone see mayor errors in this?

2. Why isn't this a far bigger theme in the show?

3. If the Ancients followed such a strict "Time Travel is a bad thing" policy (See episode Before I Sleep) then why didn't they fix the problem?

Please Discuss Somedude123 (talk) (Contribs) 03:31, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they probably did fix the problem, but on the DHDs not the gates. We've seen that it is far easier to alter a DHD's code than the code in the gate itself, but the SGC doesn't use a DHD so it is still susceptible to the problem. The gate on the destiny doesn't use a dedicated DHD either, it uses the ship's main computer, which presumably won't update itself with other DHDs due to the obvious security hole it would cause in the Destiny's systems, systems that as we have seen, the Ancients want to protect. As for The Last Man episode, I have no idea. Maybe they overrode a safety feature or maybe when dialing Atlantis, DHDs leave the decision up to the Atlantis personell (again for the security of the Ancients about to make travel, and the Tau'ri translator program did not recognize the information being displayed to it. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 07:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

There is no answer except for speculation. Just because it's unknown doesn't mean it's a plot hole. I doubt time travel with gates happens that much... but Stargate would be a completely different show if it was all about time travel... which frankly is a bit of a cliche. I don't really think the time travel thing with the stargates is a "problem", per say, that needs correcting, it's just a random error that can't be fixed via either the gate or DHD.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 07:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the DHD has numerous security systems on it to count for several problems, including the one where the Tau'ri travelled to a planet of the Asgard Treaty, and involuntarily changed the mass of the planet's sun. It also has safe-guards for possible Time Travel Incidents. Destiny Gate doesn't have the systems because it's such an old model, and the Ancients didn't have the chance to update the code. All problems with Time Travel in SG-1 was because of the lack of DHD, and the one time in ATL was because the connection was activated just a second too soon for the DHD to realise it (my theory at least). —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, some thoughts on this:

I think the incident in "The Last Man" clearly shows that the problem was never resolved by the Ancients. The Pegasus Gate System was the last to be constructed and should therefore be the most advanced. Still, neither the DHD nor the gate itself prevented the incident. The idea that it "leaves the choice" to Atlantis IMO doesn't sound reasonable. Why keep the choice when following the "No time travel" policy? Furthermore, the Atlantis gate was among the last the Ancients ever physically came in contact with, and still Sheppard uses it to get back to our time. Therefore i'd say: NOT resolved.

The DHDs definitely do not have any security measures to prevent time travel. Of the six kinds of GenuineAncient™ DHDs we've seen so far (Milky Way, Pegasus, Atlantis, Puddle Jumper, Destiny, Remote) four are suspectible to this error (Pegasus, Atlantis and Remote already mentioned, as for Milky Way see 2010 (episode))

As for calling it a problem: I think it actually is. Both SG-1 and Sheppard had considerable problems getting back to their time. And after hundrets of thousands of people travelling through time, not much would be left of the original timeline. 91.96.164.110 11:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)