Talk:Planet builder/Archive-2013

Ascended Beings?
Couldn't it be possible that these aliens are ascended beings? They were described as being a higher power. Well, ascended beings are definitely a higher power and we know that ascended beings are very powerful. I'm not sure if the ascended ancients could create a new star system and planet with life, but we know that it was the ancients that seeded the galaxy with life using Dakara. Maybe the ascended beings (obelisk builders) in that galaxy don't share the same rules as the ascended beings in our galaxy. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:04, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

That is possible but if they are ascended beings, but why make the obelisk. A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 01:34, August 14, 2010 (UTC) Asgard maybe remember The hammer of thor with the help of the ancients Kaeleth (talk) (Contribs) 08:15, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I never thought about it that way. We know there were renegade asgard in the pegasus galaxy, there may very well be more in other galaxies. Perhaps Destiny was a joint project between the Ancients and the Asgard. Perhaps the Ancient abandoned it, but the Asgard were still interested in it so they sent a ship after the Destiny. There may very well be an entire colony of Asgard out there. Perhaps these Asgard solved their cloning problem and learned to ascend or achieve extremely advanced technology. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 16:32, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it so hard to believe that there could be an extremely advanced race out there that isn't related to any of the known races we know already? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 16:39, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well my original theory was that those obelisk aliens could very well be ascended beings. I'm sure any super advanced race of aliens are all capable of ascension. Perhaps these ascended beings believe they should use their powers to help people which is why they built that star and planet. As for the obelisk, well I'm not sure what that could be for. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 17:01, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Ori did not know about the renewed life of the Milkyway Galaxy beacuse the Ancients were blocking them. So logicly there is no reason that the Ancients would not be aware of what is happening on Destiny. If some one is technologicly advanced enough to make ZPM's, the Drakkara device an teleporters then they have everything they need to make a sun and an Earth like world. It is possible that the Ancient Asended beings wanted the humans off of Destiney because humans are not yet ready an this was the most benign an least intrusive way.24.34.18.40 18:03, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * If humans aren't ready for Destiny, they sure aren't ready for Atlantis, which is millions of years ahead of that tech. It makes no sense that the Ancients would interfere so directly. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 18:30, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, especially with their Non-Interfering rule...—Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:04, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

After 5 years, billions of dollars, an hundreds of the greatest scientific minds on Earth the Atlantis Expadision, some of whom had the proper gene, barely managed to figure out some of the emergency manuel control systems. An to highlight the point it took 1 Lantean 10 seconds to operate a piece of equipment that was located in the room that the expadition had spent the most amount of time in an lock out all the Earth tech. An how many years later an they were still unable to reactivate this controler?. An let us not forget how with out the knowledge to make ZPM's Atlantis will all ways be cripled. The Lanteans may not of been able to fight there way out of a wet paper bag but there was always the undercurrent in the show that nobody, not even the Asurans were able to use the tech to its fullest potential. Most of the time they would be happy if they figured out how to turn something on an then they would use it till they broke it. An if anyone disagrees name one item made from reverse engineered Atlantis tech or even one item that they managed to recreate.

Destiney is millions of years less advanced, does not require the gene, uses a power source that we kind of understand an uses fuel that the Tauri have access too. An lest we forget the Destiney potentialy has the ability to control the Stargate manufacturing ships that are flying ahead. An there is every indication that the Destiney has a sentient operating system that just might befriend the Tauri crew. What would happen if there was an on board AI that was willing to answer the question "How do we at our current tech level make the tools that will make the tools that will make the tools that will allow us to mass produce X. An lets not forget unless the Ancients intended the Destiney to be a one way trip for the crew they would eventually send, some where on that city sized ship there is a way to open a Stargate back to Earth or possibly the designs for a primative Supergate. While one can make the argumant that Atlantis was the capital of a Galaxy spanning empire an so most manufacting would be done some where else. Destiney would have to have the ability to recreate every single component over an over again other wise the Ancient crew would be dead the first time some thing important broke that was to big to fit through the Stargate.
 * "An lets not forget unless the Ancients intended the Destiney to be a one way trip for the crew they would eventually send" No they didn't. The 9 Chevron Address to Terra? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 10:11, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It is a clunky example but if you had a time machine an wanted to steal tech from the future would you rather travel a hundred years into the future an take somthing to reverse engineer of would you rather go 100,000 years into the future an hope that it would be possible to reverse engineer. 24.34.18.40 06:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * This logic is all well and good, except Atlantis has a readily accessible database with next to no security and a complete library on virtually every project the Ancients ever conceived. With enough time, there's nothing there the humans could not duplicate. They just can't do it now because the database is massive and is taking forever to decrypt. Compare the Destiny, which has a security code blocking every main system and the only database access being a brain-frying chair. Really, if the Ancients ever gave a shit about anyone using the tech they left behind, they'd have vaped the Goa'uld a long time ago. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The Gould have extended life spans, genetic memory, an the ability to tap directly into the brains of other races giving them a tremendous scientific an intelectual advantage when compaired to a base line human. With this advantage they reverse engineered Ancient tech an were able to make the teleport rings which are no where near as efficient as personal teleporters. They made shields that are like tissue paper compaired to Lantean shields. They made the sarcoficus which is a flawed toy compaired to the device it is based on. They made FTL engines that for the first 8,000 years of there empire had a top speed of 32,000 times the speed of light which meant that it would take years to fly from Abydos to Earth. An let us not forget that Ra thought a ZPM was a piece of jewelry an Camulus was unable to figure out how to plug his in. Add this technological incompetance to the fact that the Asgardians, the Furlings an the Retu fought against them an the Nox hid things from them an it is not looking like the Gould reperesent an actual long term threat. Oh yes we can not leave out the fact that the Gould created all most every aspect of Jaffa culture to facilitate the Goulds GAMES of conquest. At the rate they were going a measley million years from now they would probebly be extinct by there own actions.

In comparisson in less then 13 years the Tauri wiped out the Gould, destroyed the Replicators that were ravaging the Asgardians, annihilated the Asurans who were armed with a greater understanding of Lantean tech, crippled the Wraith that had driven the Lanteans from the Pegasus Galaxy an all but erased the Ori. Which disorganized, violent, self centered race has the greater capacity to become a long term threat or student?

An as far as the Ascended noninterference rules are concerned here is are some important reminders. The list of Ascended beings includes Skaara, Shifu, the entire population of Abydos, the People of the Cloister an everyone that Oma Desala helped ascend for the last 2,000 years. The Others on the other hand only care about long term. Chaya Sar was banished to one world that she could protect an kill all the Wraith she wanted because the Others wanted to teach the lesson "do not set your self up as god of the lesser races" to all the other Ascended beings. The whole Merlin issue was less about not wanting to interfer than it was making sure no body including them selves knew how to make a weapon capable of killing Ascended beings. The Others let Anubis keep knowledge an powers that allowed him to kill millions in order to teach Oma Desala the consiquences of her actions. An then there is Orlin who gave tech to a human word to defend against the Gould an when the humans began to plan for galactic conquest the Others killed every man, woman an child on the planet an forced Orlin to live in the ruins of the planetary grave yard! Kind of makes you wonder what would happen if Atlantis was ever able to keep any of the super weapons for more than an episode?

The Atlantis Expadition has figured out how to turn on the list of experiments that the Lanteans were performing but they have never been able to recreate anything or reverse engineer anything. In eight years the Tauri have never made a single Drone weapon. This is another clunky example but just because you know how to change the oil an recharge the battery on your car does not mean that you know how to MAKE a car. With out a true understanding of how the tech in Atlantis works it is like giving guns to cavemen, they are only dangerous so long as the supply of bullets lasts. Destiney on the other hand POSSIBLY has mass manufacturing capabilitiys an a AI that could explain step by step how to make the jump from current tech to Destiney level tech. This is of course assuming there is an AI an that they can get it to work with the crew instead of the current system where it is treating them like cute pests that have infested the ship giving them only enough to keep from dying.

It is my theory that creating the planet was the most benign non intrusive way of getting them off Destiney with out allowing tech to be taken back to Earth or letting the Tauri know just how badly the Ascended beings want them off the ship; which would only increase the Tauri's attempts to get there hands on Destiney.24.34.18.40 18:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * And it's still a patently ridiculous theory which utterly ignores the incredible neglect the Ancients display in all other things. Why would the Ancients go to such unfathomable lengths to derail the efforts of well-meaning humans to understand tech that, at best, is likely at the level of or slightly inferior to Goa'uld tech, yet make absolutely no effort to derail their much more successful efforts to understand the infinitely more dangerous Lantean tech? Why would they be so concerned with one piddly little group of humans halfway across the universe and not the numerous galactic menaces they are directly responsible for? Why create an entire planet for eighty people when they are willing to let an entire galaxy be wiped clean of life? Your logic is spotty on numerous levels.


 * Just to be clear on a few things, let me point out just how well the humans understand Lantean tech. They can make fully functional Replicators. Not the blocky ones, either, but human-form with the full-range of abilities (if they wanted). They can build copies of a solar-system destroying zero-point energy extraction device. Even if they can't make it work, that's a damn powerful bomb. They are fully capable of repairing damage to the most powerful starship in the known universe, and now have the power to fly it. They can repair and fly Lantean battleships with practical ease. They are the most technologically advanced race in two separate galaxies and their weapon tech exceeds even the Ancients themselves. Destiny is nothing by comparison. Even if they could manufacture the tech, they couldn't get it back to Earth, and Earth has way better technology that they can already mass-produce. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I will fully agree that my logic is spotty after all we are trying to apply logic to some thing that was made up by tv writers as they went. An let us not forget the simple fact that writing this all but assures that the shows writers will not use this idea. The important things that I am trying to point out are that if you connect a ZPM to a Drakkara Device an a large enough teleportation/matter replicator unit making a planet an a sun are easy. In this system programing the Drakkara Device would be the hardest part. Since we are talking about tech they made prior to ascension that means one Ascended being can pop into an empty spot along Destineys route, make a ZPM, make a Drakkara Device, make the largest matter replicator ever built then push the make star button followed by the make Earth like world button. Very, very easy, almost no effort at all. If the Others do not want the Destiney to become a problem an say Sifu volunteers to make sure that does not happen this could easily be his first attempt.

As far as compairing Gould tech to Destiny goes while we do not know the exact speed of Destiny it is at least 100,000 times faster than the faster Gould ship ever built. After all it will make the roughly same trip in the same amount of time that a ZPM powered Asgardian loaned Hyper drive unit is capable of. The primary difference being that the fuel Destiny uses is some thing the Tauri have unlimited access too. An then there is the possibility that Destiney can control the Stagate manufacturing Seed ships. All you need is a little reprograming, some time an you make a Supergate that connects to the Ori Supergate an fly straight to Earth with Destiney an the mass manufacturing Seed ships. An we do not know what tech the Destiney has on board, they are so locked out of all systems that it is only because the onboard AI is being nice to them that they have not died in every episode of season one. They have yet to find an armory, a medical bay, the engine room, etc. etc.... So far they have found crew rooms, storage rooms an just enough equipment to do repairs that the ship has in all likely hood wanted done for millions of years.

An then there is the simple fact that most Ascended beings, not all but definetly the Others, don't think like us. The Others do not view the Replicators or the Asurians as a danger because Dr. Weir proved they will never be able to ascend an Rodney an Carter have proven the Ancients who returned to the Milkyway had the tech to eliminate this threat any time it inconvienenced them. The Others did not view the Gould as a threat because they had no future. The Others stood by an almost allowed the Milkyway to be wiped clean; actualy I make the argumant that the whole thing was orcestated by them in order to teach Oma the lesson that there is great danger in helping lesser beings ascend. An am I the only one who finds it odd that the only society mentioned to having been destroyed by the Attero Device was the one that was days way from selling Lantean tech to anyone in the Pegasus galaxy an there Aurora class ship was also consumed? Were talking about an event that could of killed millions on hunreds of worlds but it only effected two planets in its one day of operation.

An getting back to the technological achievements of Atlantis. Rodney has figured out how to make Replicators, actualy no he has figured out how to turn on the machine that makes Asurans but every attempt to make a significant changes to the Lantean preset setting has resulted in failure. Earth is now home to the most powerful ship in three galaxys that is till the ZPM's are exhausted an the last of the Drone weapons are used up. As a reminder if you give a caveman a machine gun he is only dangerous so long as there are bullets in the clip. Rodney knows how to make a bomb that can blow up 5/6th of a solar system. If Earth were to mass produce this super weapon in order to concure the galaxy do you think that the Ascended beings would stand by or do you think they will do exactly what they did to the planet Orlin gave a weapon of mass destruction too when that planet decided to use Ancient tech to concure the galaxy; wipe out every man woman an child. Acording to Todd you need six hive ships to take out one Aurora class ship. If two Hive ships are all that is needed to hose a Tauri piolted Aurora class ship then it is clearly not being maintained or pioleted properly.

An I know I will get a whole new list of haters for this one but I do not feel that Lantean weapons were less powerful than Asgardian weapons. Asgardian beaming tech was far more advanced than Lantean teleport tech, that I agree with however all Wraith tech was developed over a hundred plus year period in order to counter Lantean weapons. The Wraith only had four years to change there tech an deal with this new threat. The Asgardian tech just seems more powerful in comparison because we have only seen improperly maintained an incompetently flown Aurora class ships fight Hive ships. To use yet another clunky example if you are wearing the very best bullet proof body armor in the world an I shoot you with a taser it does not mean tasers are more powerful than guns it just means you were not prepared for this very differnt type of attack. An before anyone mentions Asuran, the Lanteans lost the war with the Wraith because they could not fight there way out of a wet paper bag. If the Asurans had agression an were routhless an they were also just as smart as the Lanteans (as opposed to having figured out how to recreat the tech they managed to gobble up before the Wraith virus sent them home) then hunting down an destroying the thirty to forty Hive ships out there could be accomplished in less time than it would take to wipe out all the humans on thousands of worlds. In ten thousand years all they did was recreate the tech they had already been exposed too, zero improvements. If not they should of been able to send a signal to Atlantis that would turn off the city if not cause it to self distruct an then if need be destroy it with orbital bombardment. The Asurans are prime examples of the danger of recreating with zero understanding.

In short (to late) the Tauri have managed to accomplish many things that far more advanced races failed if you combine what ever info the Asgardian Database is designed to slowly dole out with what is potentialy on Destiney there is no telling what could be accomplised.24.34.18.40 08:04, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to point out the Ascended's Non-Interferance (sp) rule, and the fact that the Asurans were content with their current level of Technology, and had no reason to advance it. And the Travellers' Lantean Ship didn't blow up due to Ascended interferance (sp), but due to the Travellers' own comfort, for parking it so close to the gate —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:45, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * You honestly seem to be dead-set on ignoring their non-interference rule to hang on to your idea. Look, this isn't that hard to comprehend. They were willing to let the entire galaxy die rather than correct Oma's mistake. This is all the proof you need to show that under no circumstances will they interfere. That is the core tenant of their beliefs. The idea that the Ancients would so wantonly break their rule for such a minuscule project is patently absurd. There's nothing about Destiny, at all, that is more dangerous than anything the Tau'ri already have. It's power source is inferior to easily-mined naquadah, its weapons are inferior to plasma beams, its shields are no better than a Goa'uld vessel (which can sit inside the corona of a star for ten hours), its engine are vastly inferior to Earth's own hyperdrive technology (the distance it traverses is a third of what 304s can do) and it cannot manufacture Stargates or control the ships building them. Said ships are still decades if not centuries ahead of Destiny anyway. They couldn't even make a supergate because the construction of such a thing requires more materials than they have access to.


 * If the Ancients, as you suggest, really wanted to nip the problem in the bud, they'd have killed the Wraith, the Goa'uld, the Tau'ri, the Asurans, and everything else that even had a hint of becoming a galactic problem. It's a ridiculous notion to think that they'd let an entire galaxy die but make entire planets just to deter the people who saved them from the Ori.


 * Also, just as a random note, the Travellers weren't trying to sell their advanced technology. They were making a colony. The Attero device only affected two Stargates that we know of, and frankly if you think the Ancients would rather kill the Pegasus galaxy's only hope for freedom rather than the Wraith, then you must believe they are evil incarnate.


 * To close off, the Ancients will let the humans do whatever they want with whatever they find because that is the core tenant of their beliefs. "Do not interfere with the lower planes." How many times have they beat that over the head of people trying to help? No, they did not make the planet. It violates their beliefs, and they wouldn't tolerate rogue ascended doing it, either, as we've seen time and again. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 15:18, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know how far Destiny is behing the stargate seeding ships, in my opinion a few hundred years.
 * To create a planet and a star with a matter construction device it will need more power than a ZPM can provide, they don't care if someone recreates something they build before they ascended just anything build with ascended knowledge they will stop.A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 17:28, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. don't write anything so long again.
 * P.S. don't write anything so long again.


 * In the case of the planet orlin was on, the people there happily used the device to defend themselves without the ancients doing anything, it was only when they tried to use the device for more dominating purposes that the ancients stepped in, they wouldn't have innocent people dying due to an ascended ancient breaking the rule book.
 * The difference with the tau'ri is they have only used their tech against foes who deserved it. And their tech was not built by an ascended ancient.
 * Yes, it would have taken more power than even a ZPM can provide, but a ZPM isn't the only power source out there, naquida tech is able to almost rival a ZPM, as evidenced by The Last Man, A perfected arcturus device, a star, black holes. Any race able to create a star could surely use the power an existing one provides.
 * Oh, and the other reason it's not an ascended being affecting destiny is because the writers have already said so. Supertrinko (talk) (Contribs) 00:40, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Naquadah technology used in TLM was centuries past the current level of technology and the [if I remember correctly their designation was] Mark XII Naquadah Generators were helped by the Solar Panels. They don't have a perfected Arcturus Device, they don't have Dyson spheres, and they don't know how to use Black Holes for energy [all Theys are Tau'ri]. And when were the Tau'ri or anyone (other than in alternate timelines) else able to create stars? —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 14:58, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to who (other than ascended ancients) could have the ability to build a star system, in reply to someone's suggestion that doing so would require more power than a ZPM can provide, they believe the ascended ancients built the star system. I wasn't suggesting the tau'ri could. Note though, that Mark XII Naquadah Generator were built in McKay's lifetime (as he set it up in atlantis), though changes to the timeline may prevent them building them again (or for the first time O_o) so quickly. Supertrinko (talk) (Contribs) 03:05, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I was wrong it seems that from 5,000 B.C. to 1997 Destiney was only 4,000 times faster than Gould ships from 1998 on they seem to be about the same.24.34.18.40 22:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's debatable how fast the Destiny is compared to other ships in the Milky Way. As far as I can, it takes several weeks, if not a month to cross between two galaxies. I'm not sure how long it would take a Gould mothership to cross between galaxies, but i think in terms of interstellar travel, Gould Motherships are faster.

The Destiny is not an advanced ship. Look at what happened to its life support system. Asgard technology can produce as much oxygen as needed by converting the CO2 into oxygen using asgard beam technology. Therefore, the Odyssey's life support system can last forever as long as there is power. As for the Destiny's shields, they are quite weak. They seem to be weaker than Gould Shields. I think in a 1v1 battle between the Destiny and a Gould Ship, the Gould Mothership would win.Destiny's weapons also seem pretty weak and useless as well. I highly doubt Destiny has a sentient AI on board. If Atlantis doesn't have it, then neither does Destiny. Gould Shields are also pretty good compared to the Destiny. For example, a Gould Mothership can survive for hours inside the corona of a star unshielded. It's possible that a fully shielded Gould Mothership could fly into a star as well. So far, there's nothing impressive about Destiny other than its size. Everything else is completely obsolete compared to Asgard technology and Gould Technology. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 04:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

listen all destiny haters
hey have you seen the episode light,the destiny was capable of resisting a sun's corona,The Destiny even dive into the star,without damages to it's hull or anything,clearly the Destiny is far more resistant than Goa'uld ships!Smallvilleantonio (talk) (Contribs) 00:38, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

and of course a very advanced race that is clearly not the ancients ,was the responsible for the obelisk planet,im sure will see this race sometime beyond on SGU season 2Smallvilleantonio (talk) (Contribs) 00:38, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, a Gould Mothership can stay within the Corona of a star for several ours WITHOUT shields. I'm sure a fully shielded Gould Mothership can last even longer within the Corona and possibly even fly into a star. In a battle, the Destiny seems to have fairly weak shields. In addition to that, it seems that unless power is greatly boosted to the shields, slow moving objects can pass through it (sound familiar?). I suspect that Gould shields are in fact Destiny shields. The color and strength of the shields are all consistent with that of a Gould Mothership's shields. So far, Destiny is not Dr. Rush's "mankind's greatest discovery since the Startgate itself". All I see is technology equal or less than that of what the Gould have. Even the Destiny's weapons look like the weapons on a Gould Mothership. It's possible the ancients built more than one Destiny ships or Gate-seeding ships and left one behind which was eventually found by the Gould. Maybe Destiny is more advanced than we think, but so far, I have yet to see anything that indicates it's more advanced than a Gould Mothership. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 00:51, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gould tech is powered by a rare an valuable mineral that does not exist in most solar systems. Destiney is powered by a hydrogen isotope that the real world Earth mass produces, India being the number one producer right now. Destiney spent seven weeks (I think) floating an unmoving between two galaxys an the next episode they had already arrived in the next galaxy an had already been to an Earth like world where they picked up the crazy bug an left. Destineys shields an weapons are junk when compaired to a 304 but so far there is no way to know how they would compair to Gould tech prior to the massive upgrades that Anubis gave to the Goulds using Ascended knowledge. Other than the teaching holograph room Atlantis has no A.I.. On Destiney however you type in what you need to keep from having everyone die in the next few hours an a Stargate opens up for a set amount of time to a world that has exactly what you need within walking distance. An does it not seem odd that a Stargate opened up to a world that just happened to have the cure to a disease that the crew did not know that had yet? An A.I. waiting for the proper command code from the things with Ancient like D.N.A. running around the ship is the simplest answer. 24.34.18.40 01:40, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't take an AI to query a database for a relevant item, select nearby planets with that item, filter out addresses deemed ill-suited for retrieval of that item, then plot a course to that item. It may be a highly advanced program, but it is by no means sentient. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 01:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, cause remember that virus in Atlantis that caused people's brains to explode (sort of)? Well, Atlantis detected the virus and put the city on lockdown. We know Atlantis has no AI. It's operating system was simply programmed to do that. The same thing applies to the Destiny's operating system. It detects a contagion and it looks for ways to solve that problem. You can think of it like smoke detectors in a building. Once it detects smoke, it will sound an alarm and automatically set off the sprinklers to put the fire out. In some buildings, it will close some doors to prevent the fire or smoke from spreading. All of that is done without the need for an AI. I'm sure some medical facilities and government labs have similar protocols for biohazards. Like if the CDC had a mishap with some kind of virus, the alarms would sound and the entire building will be under quarantine. Again, no AI needed.


 * Oh and you don't know that Destiny doesn't use naquadah. Most likely, its Stargate uses Naquadah. It's also possible that Destiny's weapons also use naquadah like Gould weapons. Perhaps the hull of the ship is partially made of naquadah. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * If only for clarity, I have to point out that smoke detectors do not set off fire sprinklers in a building. Well, not simple ones, anyway. Fire sprinklers trigger because of a heat-activated switch which allows the water to flow freely if released. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:07, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

i agree with the theory about the Goa'uld finding a similar ship to Destiny and that the Goauld have based their tech on Destiny-class shields and weapons.03:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Smallvilleantonio (talk) (Contribs)

artificial intelligence (AI): The capability of a device to perform functions that are normally associated with human intelligence, such as reasoning and optimization through experience. Note: AI is the branch of computer science that attempts to approximate the results of human reasoning by organizing and manipulating factual and heuristic knowledge. Areas of AI activity include expert systems, natural language understanding, speech recognition, vision, and robotics.

Atlantis's sensors detected a virual out break, initiated the pre programed lock down, an waited for one of the appropriate pre programmed responses that if it did not receive by the pre programmed point would perform sterilization. Destiney's sensors detected an unknown biological contaigen, diagnoced the contaigen, developed a cure to the contaigen, came to the conclusion that the things with near Ancient D.N.A. but who do not have the command codes would be unable to synthesis the cure, found a world with a preexisting natural compound that has nearly identical properties within walking distance of the Stargate, opened the Stargate on it's own initiative, an set the timer so that the symptoms would be obviouse to the primative medical tech available to the things with near Ancient D.N.A.. If you do not feel Destiney has an AI than you are using a different definition of AI than me. As a side note if at any point the AI reminds me of Data I am not watching the show any more.

Electrical generators use Copper to make electricity but copper is not the fuel. All Gould tech uses Naquadah as fuel while Destiney uses a hydrogen isotope as fuel. I totaly agree that Destiney must have tons of Naquadah components but it has a different fuel source. An all most all Gould tech is stolen from other races that is a fact of the show the question is how closely they could reverse engineer the tech they stole. I totaly agree that the Goulds ships were reverse engineered from found Ancient ships but yet again for 8 to 9 thousand years Destiney was 4,000 times faster than the fastest Gould ships. 24.34.18.40 17:53, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, perhaps at one point, the Gould motherships also had FTL drives. We know the Ancients were the first race to develop hyperdrive technology. Perhaps there's a reason hyperdrives are more commonly used than FTL drives. Perhaps Gould hyperdrives are not as fast as Destiny's FTL Drive. But then again, we have no idea how fast Destiny is in comparison to other ships. If we could just get an exact time of how long it took Destiny to cross the void, then we could know. Now, most likely, hyperdrives are in some way more efficient or safer than hyperdrives. You have to remember that Destiny has like 15 FTL drives. How fast do you think Destiny would go on a single FTL drive? I'm not sure if a ship can have more than one hyperdrive, but if it could, then imagine how fast a Gould Mothership would be if it used 15 hyper drives.
 * Therefore, I think a single FTL drive is not as fast as a single Gould hyperdrive. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15 hyperdrives wouldn't make a difference to a goa'uld mothships speed, Destiny only needs 15 FTL drives because of its size, Destiny is much faster than a Gou'ald ships because it can travel to other galaxys. Hyperdrives work by moving the ship into supspace by a means of a hyperspace window. A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 09:21, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15 hyperdrives wouldn't make a difference to a goa'uld mothships speed, Destiny only needs 15 FTL drives because of its size, Destiny is much faster than a Gou'ald ships because it can travel to other galaxys. Hyperdrives work by moving the ship into supspace by a means of a hyperspace window. A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 09:21, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

We do not know the exact distance between galaxys or how long it took the ship to travel but according to this web site Tamara Johansen was 29 weeks pregnant at the end of Sabotage an by Pain they had already competed the trip an visited an Earth like world in the new galaxy. If the baby ends up being born premature but healthy than by Incursion 2 she is at least 37 weeks pregnant. An post 1998 Gould ships seemed to be able to average a million lights a week using hyper space.

FTL drives need some way to explain away the rules of relativity an why micro meteor are not slamming into the shield at hundreds if not thousands of times more force than a rail gun. This "warping" of reality might not be good long term for local space time. Plus O'Neill class ships have been shown to do a million light years an hour so hyper space would seem to have a higher maximum speed.24.34.18.40 09:25, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Regardless, there's a reason why FTL Drives were abandoned in favor of Hyperdrives. I don't know what that reason is, but it must've been a very good one. Oh and there were some cases where Gould Motherships have been shown to be capable of traveling intergalactic distances. Some replicators managed to boost power to the hyperdrive in order to get from their galaxy back to the milky way. That giant replicator had to stay connected to the hyperdrive in order to power it. Therefore, with a ZPM powering a Gould hyperdrive, it might be able to travel intergalactic distances. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:27, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes if a Goa'uld ship had enough power it could travel intergalatic, or if they do what O'neill done to the cargo ship. But it can not travel intergalatic distance with only the power the ship produces. A scotsman (talk) (Contribs) 10:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly, so it's all a matter of power. The more power a hyperdrive or FTL drive has, the faster it will go. As you can see, Destiny can barely make intergalactic trips anymore. It barely has enough power to do so. It's only a matter of time before the Destiny becomes incapable of making intergalactic jumps. We've seen ZPM's boosting systems on ships greatly. Asgard shields are ten times stronger with a ZPM equipped. Wraith Hive Ships are also extremely powerful when equipped with a ZPM. Therefore, a Gould Mothership equipped with multiple ZPM's could become near indestructible and crazy fast. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 14:59, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ra thought his ZPM was a piece of jewelry an Camulus with limited access to Anubis's tech up grades to Gould technology was unable to figure out how to plug it in. Add in the fact that the Gould engine that was put into the 303 had to stop an rest on long trips other wise it would over heat an overload, an this is without a ZPM, it would seem that major upgrades across the board would be needed to make a Gould ship compatable with a ZPM. An a there is an important distinction to make Destiney is not running out of fuel, it's engines are about to fall apart from damage an lack of service.


 * The Goa;'uld engine in Prometheus had to stop and cool down because it was designed for an Al'kesh, which is a much smaller vessel. It's like trying to run a pickup with an engine taken from a tractor. There's nothing preventing a ZPM from being hooked up to a Goa'uld ship other than knowledge of the tech. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The 303 was five times the size of an Al'kesh good catch I was wrong about that. I just realized something though. The Odyssey with the Asgard Core an a ZPM took out 2 out of 3 Ori ships in less than ten minutes an only had to cheat a little bit to take out the third. The Daedalus an the Apollo used Asgard beams to take out Asuran ships with one shot, as they came out of hyper space meaning before they could raise shields. The Super Hive took out the Daedalus, an latter both the Apollo an the Sun Tzu easily while the Odyssey was specificly stated to be away on a secret mission. An the George Hammond took on 3 Lucian Alliance ships in a battle that lasted three to five minutes based on dialogue from the characters. I am now wondering what is the source of the information that says the Tauri are capable of replicating the tech upgrades that the Odyssey under went because it seems like the writers are intentionaly not using the Odyssey in any battles?24.34.18.40 07:09, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * All the other 304s have beam weapons. We've seen this numerous times. So yes, they can replicate the tech. The very fact that they have the beams is proof. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 15:40, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The Odyssey is almost exclusively used for the Stargate SG-1 Series. The Deadalus, Apollo, and Sun Tzu are mainly used in the Stargate Atlantis series. And the George Hammond is used exclusively in Stargate Universe. Strangely enough, the Hammond was unable to take out the Gould ships attacking Icarus Base. You'd think the Hammond would've used Asgard Beams to destroy the Gould Motherships, unless for some reason Gould Shields are immune to Asgard Beams. But anyways, I think we've established that any technology gets a significant boost from ZPM's. And also, the Gould Beam weapons (AG-3), are extremely powerful weapons and seem to be pretty close to that of Asgard Beams or Ori Beams. AG-3 could possible be the most powerful weapons after Asgard and Ori Beams. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:44, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I just read how Joseph Mallozzi is telling people that the Lucian Alliance has figured out how to make shields that are more powerful than Ori Mother Ship shields so if the official policy of the show is that humans who four years ago were not allowed by penalty of death to know the difference between technology an magic are capable of improving on Ascended Ori technology than ever single one of my arguments in regard to tech are wrong! I am sorry for wasting peoples time but now I got to say that naming the next movie Extinction does not seem like an exageration. It does leave me with one question though, how come the Lucian Alliance does not attack Earth with fleets of dozens of ZPM powered Ha'taks as soon as they find out that Atlantis has gone back to Pegasus? After all they may not be able to pierce the 304 shields an they would have to flee after five minutes but shouldn't that be enough time to wipe out most life on Earth? An what could they possibly want with Destiny they already have the ability to reverse engineer an improve Ascended Ori technology?

Forgot again, sorry.24.34.18.40 02:30, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Really? I never heard about that. Either way, a ZPM-powered Gould mothership is not a good thing for Earth. Fighting a ZPM Mothership would be just like fighting that ZPM Hiveship. Only this time, there's no hangar doors you can blast through in order to blow a nuke up from the inside. And Gould motherships typically don't carry stargates either so you probably can't board it that way either. In other words, Gould Motherships would be nearly indestructible with a ZPM. I wonder if you could power Destiny with a ZPM... It would solve a lot of problems for the crew. Here's my version of the ultimate Gould Mothership. All it needs are ZPM's and AG-3 Beam weapons (Gould Beams). They seem to be just as powerful as Asgard Beams. Who knows what other powerful technologies could be buried deep in the Gould genetic memory. AG-3 may just be the beginning. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Patently untrue. A ZPM-powered Goa'uld mothership would still be a pushover to a 304, just slightly less of one. What made the Wraith ship so dangerous is that its hull was ridiculously tough thanks to all the extra power. Wraith vessels can grow bigger, which is why power is such an issue for them. That is not something a Goa'uld ship would be able to duplicate. A Goa'uld ship, at best, would have the benefit of Asgard-level shielding, which is fodder to plasma beams, weapons which probably be on par with Wraith weapons (non-ZPM), and intergalactic hyperdrive. It would not be anywhere near as threatening as the Hive was. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, a Gould Mothership armed with the AG-3 (Gould Beam) weapons would be very deadly, with or without a ZPM. Standard Gould Shields will be significantly boosted by a ZPM. As you know, AG-3 is supposedly capable of destroying a Gould Mothership in a single shot. The only weapons capable of that right now are Ori Beam, Drone Weapons, and most likely Asgard Beams. That puts AG-3 really close to Ori/Asgard weapons in terms of power. Not to mention the fact that the standard weapons on Gould Motherships would also get a significant boost like the standard weapons on a Wraith Hiveship. Theoretically, a Gould Mothership with ZPM's powering the shields should be able to resist the asgard beams. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:16, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The AG-3 is a pipedream, not reality. If the Goa'uld could build such a thing, they would have. More to the point, it was designed with the express purpose of combating the Goa'uld, not other races. A Goa'uld ship with a ZPM would not be able to resist the beams. Ori ships couldn't, and they have power well in excess of most vessels. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:52, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Gouald didn't build AG-3 because it's supposedly buried deep in their genetic memory which is why a harsesis was necessary to bring out that memory. From what I can tell, the entire compendium of Gould knowledge is enough for someone to ascend. Therefore, the Gould are more advanced than we think. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 20:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why is this discussion on the obelisk builder talk page. it has nothing to do with them.Lordqaz (talk) (Contribs) 05:29, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ascended Beings
These Obelisk Builder aliens have to be ascended beings. After what happened in Intervention, there's no doubt about it, assuming TJ wasn't dreaming it all. What she experienced was similar to what Daniel Jackson experienced when he was about to die. His mind was transported to a different place where he met the ascended being Oma. She probably had the same experience that Daniel Jackson did. Her baby probably ascended or was saved by those ascended beings. Also, Chloe healed extra fast possible because she was saved by those ascended beings. Or... we find out later in the episode pathogen. But regardless, the Obelisk Builder aliens have to be ascended beings. They interfered (intervention) because they are seperated from the Ancients. Therefore, they may not share the same non-interference rule that the Ancients have. All evidence suggests that these Obelisk Builders have to be ascended beings. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:21, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. The baby died and Daniel wasn't transported anywhere, not his consciousness nor his body. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 07:39, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * The baby supposedly lived on that planet where the Obelisk is. Also, Daniel Jackson, when he was dying of radiation poisoning from the Naquadriah, he was talking to Oma in the Gate Room while his body was still in the infirmary. Basically it was a similar experience to what happened with TJ. Both of them were experiencing some kind of dream like world while they were dying or severely wounded. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:32, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose its possible. I mean the Ancients only seem to have influence in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies. When Morgan intervened directly in the Ori galaxy they couldn't stop her. And given Oma's comment in Threads, about only some of The Others in the diner being Ancients they aren't the only beings to Ascend.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 19:37, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * They didn't want to stop Morgan. It was all in Danny boys head. And I think the doctors would notice if a baby being operated would disappear. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 19:50, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actualy they had very strict rules about that sort of thing. She was exiled the last time she tried to help remember. I think they let her guide Daniel in the Milky Way through those dreams as she wasn't directly interfering, but they had no influence in the Ori galaxy so they couldn't stop her there even if they wanted to. The doctors beleived that the baby died, but note we never saw that happen or the baby's body either. Also, I was surprised it died. Doctor Brightman said it would probably have to be delivered due to its low heartbeat, but she didn't make it sound like it would die.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 19:55, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why must they be ascended just to go into someone's mind. Ancient technology allows for transfer of all the human senses over vast distances, even with no nearby technology. Technology like that could easily be programmed to do something like this and it's not a huge stretch to imagine other races having similar stuff. As for transporting the baby, maybe they just beamed his brain away or something like that - didn't *have* to ascend. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 20:00, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's one major difference, SG-1 saw Jackson ascend: white light, floating etc. And when he reappeared, he did so naked on some random planet. They're pretty vague about what happened to T.J. and purposely glossed over the fact that she lost the baby, but (and this is kind-of terrible)... presumably... there is a dead fetus aboard Destiny, otherwise everyone would be asking where the baby went. If it did "ascend" or was "transported" it has happened in a way we haven't seen before, without its body.  - 20:06, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * They didn't stop Morgan because they had no reason to, they wanted Adria gone as she was capable of destroying them. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 20:14, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually when you descend you don't have to appear naked. Orlin didn't appear naked when he descended. As for the baby, it's too young to be able to conciously ascend so perhaps it's mind was transported into a new body on that planet thanks to the ascended beings. Or..., I have another theory. If they aren't ascended beings, then perhaps they are an advanced version of that nebula alien from Stargate SG-1 Grace. It was when Sam flew the Prometheus and was stuck in a nebula cloud that was corroding the ship. While on that planet, TJ saw a nebula in the sky. Later back on Destiny, she saw the exact same nebula again. Perhaps the aliens are following her and watching her. Perhaps that nebula was the aliens. Or maybe they were still ascended beings but chose to appear in the form of a nebula much like how the Ori chose to appear in the form of fire while the ancients appear in the form of light. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 21:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

TJ's situation was different from Daniel's in that she was with other people (caine etc, though we can only assume this, it's possible they weren't real), whereas Daniel only spoke with Oma in some spiritual capacity, tj was actually somewhere else. It seems these beings are able to transport your mind to another place, creating a body for you while you're there. This doesn't take away or add to the theory that they are ascended beings. I'm just adding some facts to take into account. Supertrinko (talk) (Contribs) 00:08, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * But wait, when Daniel was talking to Oma, he was able to bring Jack O'Neill into the conversation. O'Neill was still in the room with everyone, but his mind was somewhere else. It's the same situation with TJ. The ascended beings could've created a temporary body for her mind and sent her to the planet. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 00:31, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * In episode The Fourth Horseman a prior (Possible with the help of the Ori) had taken Gerak mind to Celestis where while his body remained on Dakara was able to interact with other people and environment, which in many ways similar to what TJ had experienced. And as for baby's body still being on Destiny after TJ had her vision , maybe it is possible to ascend without a body , in episode Threads Daniels mind was brought in to an Astral Diner where he was offered to ascend by Oma Desala while his body was most likely destroyed by RepliCarter and a collapsing Replicator mothership. Also in Stargate: Continuum Morgan Le Fay had claimed to be an Merlin who ascended After his death , considering that Morgan did not lie and Merlin could ascend when his mind was inside Daniel and did not do so for whatever reason (such as he was too week because he had spend too much time in Daniel because he was captured by the Ori , ore simply because he was turned into prior)KSST (talk) (Contribs) 02:58, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah but it was obvious how that prior took Gerak's mind to that galaxy. How the prior did it was a totally different concept than what happened to TJ. Look, I don't know if anyone noticed this yet, but in the first episode, Eli watched a series of videos about the stargate. Each video covered a specific topic related to the Stargate. Well so far, every topic in those videos have been explored to a certain degree in the series. The 9th chevron, hyperspace, Lucian Alliance, Ancients, and Ascension were all covered in those videos. However, Ascension is the only topic that has not yet been explored in the series or directly encountered. The Obelisk Aliens are the perfect oppurunity to explore the topic of ascension. You see, up until now, we've only met ascended beings that won't interfere with us and ascended beings that want us to worship them. We have yet to encounter ascended beings that are good and are willing to help us. I'm convinced that these Obelisk Aliens have to be ascended beings. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 03:51, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually the full version of those videos are on the DVD.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) (Contribs) 02:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know. They explain those topics in more details. But my point is that the only topic that hasn't been thoroughly explored or encountered in the series so far is Ascension. All the others have been directly used or encountered in the series at least once. But so far, Ascension has not been encountered and is only briefly mentioned a couple of times in the series. If the trend continues, we will see ascension in at least one episode of SGU. Perhaps that's what happened to Dr. Franklin as well. His mind couldn't handle the ancient knowledge on the ship and controlling the ship taxed his mind even more to the point where he was going to die. Perhaps the Obelisk aliens ascended him in order to save him. That would explain why he vanished from the room and the restraints on the chairs were still in place. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 02:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming for a second that the Obelisk builders are ascended and the nebula TJ saw in her "Vision" and later on from Destiny is just a bunch of them in a group watching over the Destiny expedition. If above stated is the truth, it maybe an evidence to the fact that the aliens have been following and watching over the people on it prior of discovery of The obelisk planet ; At the very end Justice when Rush awakes on a Barren planet and looks up into the sky we can clearly seen a Nebula similar if not identical to what TJ saw.KSST (talk) (Contribs) 05:31, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

i think its more likely that they are all dead and TJ was dreaming. and as for the nebula, our brains tend to do that with dreams, you see something and your brain will associate it with the dream
 * If anybody saw the preview for the next episode, Aftermath, you'll see Dr. Rush exploring the Bridge of Destiny and then a mysterious woman appears out of no where. Dr. Rush most likely wasn't hallucinating. Perhaps that woman is an ascended being that appeared in human form to talk to Dr. Rush. After all, KSST is right about the nebula over Dr. Rush when he was stranded on that planet. Perhaps the ascended beings are also watching over him. It actually is a pretty cool idea, nebula-style ascended beings. It looks much cooler than the light-style ascended Ancients and the fire-style ascended Ori. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:46, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's his wife. He's hallucinating. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:50, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that's Gloria? She doesn't really look like her. And Rush didn't seem to recognize her either. And what possible reason would Rush be hallucinating? General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 23:12, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is Gloria, and yes, he does recognize her. He's hallucinating because the last time he saw her it was about this sort of thing. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:23, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * But when he sees her, he asks her who she is as if he's never seen her before. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he says her first name. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:47, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, you're right. Very interesting... Still, I don't see what would be causing him to hallucinate. She might still be an ascended being just appearing in a form that Dr. Rush recognizes and won't frighten him. It's kind of like how Morgan LeFay appeared as Merlin when Daniel was being tortured by the priors. Regardless, I think the evidence is clear that the Obelisk aliens are ascended beings. Or... it's possible that they may be near ascended beings that exist in a non-coporeal form like those giant mist aliens that from Crystal Skull or those energy beings from Stargate Atlantis and even that Nebula Alien from Grace. I think it should be noted that stars and planets are originally formed from nebula. And we see a lot of that nebula that TJ sees in many episodes. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 01:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * From what we already know about the Obelisk builders, they are an extremely advanced alien race that lives somewhere at the edge of the universe far beyond the reach of any race we have yet encountered on screen (Well , except the Ancients and the Ori). And as for solid evidenced to demonstrate that we have the obelisk device. To this date it was established that the function of the Obelisk device is to create celestial objects such as a Star , ore a habitable terrestrial planet with life on it. The only other race besides The Obelisk race to have achieved such level of technology were the Ancients (and the Ori). From what we know of the Ancients that they have evolved as humans for tenth of millions of years until such time as their brains have reached maximum capacity and they were forced to Ascend. We know that , besides humans there are other races are capable of achieving Ascension whether that would be with the help of an Ascended Being (Goa'uld: ,Anubis) ore through natural evolution (It was stated in Unending that the Asgard would have Ascended if not for their cloning program and the Nox demonstrated some Pre-Ascension abilities). Assuming the Obelisk race at the time of building the Obelisk were at the same level of development as the ancients at the time of colonisation of Pegasus , they were most likely aware of ascension and know they are nearing the point where they have to ascend. Knowing that they would most likely focus in accelerating the achievement of Ascension ( like the Ancients did) , so in order to do so they have created a perfect paradise world with reach environmental resources , where they can live safely and focus on achieving ascension.(Similar to what the ancients did in "Epiphany")KSST (talk) (Contribs) 04:47, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know what the Obelisk is, it could just be a monument, a landmark left by the creators. It is possible that the Nebula's common in that part of the universe for a normal reason or other. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 09:51, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * But the nebula just suddenly appeared out of nowhere one night and it wasn't there before. Nebulas dont just appear out of nowhere. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 19:02, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Near to death hallucination, the whole thing was. —Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 20:46, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Just simply because it is impossible to imagine that Destiny just randomly stumbled upon the exactly the same nebula that TJ saw in her vision only a couple hours ego. The other reason i think the nebula is an Ascended bieng(s) is because nebulae are are collection of gases floating in space, even the nebulae of the same type can vary in shape and appearance but the once we keep seeing seem to retain both the basic shape and general colors. And as for the obelisk yes I do have to agree it is still unclear whether ore not it is capable of making a planet but what is clear that the race that build to obelisk can make a planet with life on it. And seeing that the obelisk is the only technology on the planet chances are it has it's own part in a processKSST (talk) (Contribs) 01:32, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

They could be the race that Rush refers to, the ones that have been around fron the Big Bang, they certainly have the persona of such a race.CourtneyFANno.1 03:38, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Building a Star
Come to think of it, I think the humans of Earth do have the capabilities to create their own star. After all, the Asgard had the technology to collapse a star into a black hole. They also had the technology to change the composition of a star when the humans accidentally caused it to red shift. I think it's reasonable to assume that the Asgard also have the technology to create a star. Maybe these Obelisk aliens aren't as advanced as we think they are. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 20:05, November 27, 2010 (UTC) In those cases, the Asgard merely influenced something that was already there. The obelisk builders have created a star and a planet from scratch. I can easily take this computer and melt it and change it's shape. but that is not what happened with the builders. --SupremeCommander (talk) (Contribs) 04:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's possible though. The Asgard can convert matter from something into something else using their beaming technology. And we know they can beam large objects as well, such as an entire skyscraper. They could use something similar to that to create a star. And don't forget, the Aschen are also capable of turning a gas giant like Jupiter into a star. So if the Aschen can do it, then I'm sure the Asgard can do it. All you need are the raw materials for a star. Now as for a planet, well, I guess it's possible for Replicators to make their own planet out of replicator blocks. You could theoretically make a planet like that if you had enough replicator blocks. So really, the Obelisk Builders aren't all that much special. Colonel Young says that the Obelisk Builders could probably squash all of them like ants. Well so can the Asgard. Even the Gould can squash the entire human race like bugs. We've seen it happen many times in alternate realities. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 05:06, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that both the Ancients and the Asgard 'could' make stars, but it would require a very large and dedicated piece of technology to somehow move enough matter from somewhere else and then squash it. With the obelisk builders, however, there's no evidence of any significantly large piece of machinery and - whilst it could simply have moved or been dismantled - it's sort of implied that the obelisk builders made it with relative ease as there's nothing really going on there (unless it's an experiment in the development of life or something). The ascended Ancients could probably do it though :) Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that much of machinery... Asgard technology to make black holes would completly suffice. Collapse a hydrogen nebula (seriously they made star go black hole in matter of hour in dilated space time) those have negligable gravity so Gate seeding ship might have missed it much more easily. Add their time dilation devices... And well trasporting shuttle? Like Asgard trasported Gairwin from Hall of Thor´s might on Cimerria directly to Thor´s flagship... It would take a transporter on receiving end with asgard beaming... but who says there was no clocked ship or some gravity burst which would force Destiny out fof FTL. Only real trouble is with the planet... but I suppose it could have been borroved in some close star system- creating a viable biosphere would be just 80-90 years without time dilation devices. Plus there were just plants and no animal life which kind of coraborates the story. Seriously these aliens are surely powerful but realy everything they have done was already acomplished- by Asgard, Ancients, Gadmeer Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 17:26, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And seriously- animating dead was done using ancient technology and goauld sarcofagus´s were quite effective restoring dead body... even with soul. Asgard in alternative reality were also able to heal Hammond after two hits from zat. I am not expecting aliens to heal those who have been dead for weeks but the one who died just recently would be quite easy to revive using fairly common goauld technology.Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 17:32, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's more to medicine than just "Healing"... there are different ways you can be injured and we've never seen a scarchophagus heal someone who has frozen to death or anyone with a head smashed open by a tree. The latter I doubt could be healed by a sarchophagus at all, and, depending on length of time in the cold, it's not a huge stretch to assume that a sarcophagus has limits in that area too. Also, Ancient healing technology is very late in their development, possibly based on the healing power they developed a long, long time after Destiny. The Ancients may well have been more advanced than the OBs at that point. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 21:37, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sarcofagus managed to revive nearly any physical injury (Ra said that human bodies are easy to fix) as far as brain remained more or less intact. (tokra commented something about their operatives commiting suicide certain way). Yes sarcofagus can not revive someone dead for weeks. Such brain would have decayed beyond repair. Also it is fairly possible that extreme long exposure to cold would make water go ice inside brain again damaging the needed structure. But Caine was still alive at that point (or has just died) - he would be most likely "salvagable" using Goauld/Asgard/Ancient/Nox technology (or "magic" when it comes to Nox). Aliens probably used technology that suffices to heal their own people- their bodies might have better natural self regeneration. As fot saving sould... they certainly did not have asgard mind trasfer technology to "back up" Caine. (When it came to others there was already nothing to back up). They repaired their bodies and brains as well as they could. It simply was not enough. Truth be told all exept Caine were probably dead too long even for Sarcofagus or Asgard Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 22:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's true. And most of those people have only been dead for a day at most. Robert Caine, he probably wasn't dead for more than a few minutes. So those ressurections that the Obelisk Builders performed are terrible. I think it's likely that the Asgard and Ancients are more advanced than the Obelisk Builders. The Obelisk on that planet seemed like some sort of communication device or beacon. What sort of advanced race would need a device like that? The Asgard and Ancients have long range subspace communications that are much more compact and don't emit any visible beam of light. And it's very likely that the Asgard and Ancients have the ability to create planets and stars as well if given the necessary raw materials. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 22:37, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well day is long enough when small ice crystals grow inside your head breaking synapses and damaging neurons. I suppose even hours would be problematic here. But Caine was just died no way his brain had temperature below zero (°C). When it comes to building planet and star it is not question of how... rather where (hydrogen nebula) and why... (at least when one has toys like asgard had- time dilators and gravity collapsors). and really who cant take a shuttle 1 million ly? Asgard travel such distance in minutes- plus shuttle can not know it is in hyperspace anyway- no navigational data as it predates hyperspace technology. Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 23:02, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * However, the one thing that does catch my attention is how they got a brand new factory condition shuttle. Sure any advanced race, even the humans can build their own shuttle if given all the schematics. But the question is where did the Obelisk Aliens get the schematics. I don't think the Shuttle contains the schematics. But I suppose the Shuttle is primitive enough for any advanced race to reverse engineer and build a new one. General Heed (talk) (Contribs) 23:40, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well my guess would that something like Asgard matter energy conversion syntetyzer could do some things to fix things. Most likely they used same method on people and on shuttle- while shuttle is not so complex as human body it does need to maintain small nuaces... Paeris (talk) (Contribs) 09:03, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * So we might as well say that the obelisk builders were just some guys in a ship with a really big Asgard matter-energy converter, some asgard transporters, an Ancient healing device (or a bad copy) and a really long range version of Destiny's neural interface thingy (possibly combining ancient stone tech ) that would allow a person a hallucinate a nebula. Not to mention that they may need a ship with a cloaking device to allow the shuttle to "appear out of nowehere".99.135.145.215 19:08, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * LOL, very aptly put =P 78.148.141.138 18:19, October 24, 2011 (UTC)