Talk:Destiny

Please someone get a picture of the Destiny and possibly its size. I'm dying to know if it's bigger than a City-ship.-Railgun88
 * While, seeing how the series (Stargate Universe) hasn't actually started yet, your going to have to wait awhile. Maybe sometime this spring.&mdash;Anubis 10545 06:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Add the repo chair
Can someone who can actually edit the page add the Early repository of knowledge chair to the technology part of the page. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 21:31, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

the bridge picture
i swear i read somewhere that that was the bridge to a shuttle not the main ship....i think it was on sci-fi wire...sorry i dont know the site but its wroth someone checking just to make sure :) —Kwoosh..x 14:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're correct.&mdash;Anubis 10545 23:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

impossible, how can the hyperdrive possibly be interstellar? it's following up on the first ship, visiting planets, from galaxy to galaxy. it has to be an intergalactic one. i'm changing it for now, if there is proof that its intersteller, then it will be changed back.—SupremeCommander 05:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

oh, and it prolly has like a billion zpms/ or alt power sources powering it, as it was launched like millions of years ago. maybe even a zpm machine to mass produce them when the current one is running out of power and then replaces the used one with a new one, who knows. its gonna be pretty cool to find out its powersource.—SupremeCommander 05:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Pfft, does it look like they have anything made of crystals in there? It doesn't use ZedPMs. I'd even wager that ZedPMs weren't even invented when they built it... Supakillaii (talk) (Contribs) 08:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot reveal the extreme details of the vessel but I can inform you that the ship is chevron shaped. The two sides are concave and curved inwards and is a very simplistic in shape design. In addition the vessel is extremely large, estimated to be at least 3 times longer than an Ori Mothership, and almost equally as wide (3 times as wide). --Ccheng21 06:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Earlier Ship
Does anyone know what's the name of the ship that goes ahead and places the stargates? It is in essence a Stargate Seeder Ship. A picture would be cool too. :) -Railgun88 04:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The ship's name has not yet been released. As for an image, we'll have to wait until the series airs to get some screencaps... unless they show the ship in promos or they release some early. Either way, it won't be for a while... probably at least until this summer.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Although, I found This image that possibly shows a corridor of the inside of the destiny. At the very least, it's also a very creepy picture of Carl Binder.&mdash;Anubis 10545 05:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't really look that ancient, the one thing about that race is that everything they build, even their warships, have cool interiors. Sman789 17:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I know why the team can't gate home. The ninth chevron tells the gate to dial the Destiny, right? Well, the Destiny can't dial back because it's always on the move so it's point-of-origin would be invalidated quickly. Not to mention that since the ship was constructed much earlier than Atlantis, I don't think it was programmed with Earth's address.

And a question: if the Destiny goes through multiple galaxies, how can the gate always work? It constantly recalibrates itself to local coordinates or what? And if the ship goes from planet to planet, how can it dial to THAT particular planet (since the two are very close together)? Or maybe it was never designed to dial out at all?--Amitakartok 14:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that it's on a pre-programmed course so it can always calculate the location of a galaxy with a known network reletive to itself. Perhaps the stargate doesn't dial the normal way, it might just be linked to the ship's navigation computer and fire a wormhole in the general direction of the milky way. I bet they can't dial back because of power, that seems to be the normal reason for not being able to do things on Stargate. Sman789 16:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Weapons and shields
I wonder if the Destiny has any weapons (it is safe to assume that it does), most likely drone weapons, or maybe the Ancient equivalent of Asgard Beam Weapons, or maybe even a weapon similar to the Lantean Defense Satellite's main weapon, except with a much faster recharge rate. It obviously has to have shields or the first alien attack will destroy the ship completely. Maybe the crew will eventually be able to override the navigational controls and soup up the hyperdrive to possibly make it back to the Milky Way within a few weeks. KillerofWraith009 21:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * After viewing some clip regarding destiny, I realise that the Destiny is equiped with some form of defence system as I could see something look like a gun turret. (You guys try and view the opening clip of when the Destiny stop from FTL travel where it went nearest the ship hull where we could some structure that look like gun turret) I am not sure if there is more about it.--Hafiedz (talk) (Contribs) 21:51, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

It has orange pulse weapons, I saw the Sky1 interview thingy that showed after the premiere and there were some clips of it firing, and something sbout powering it up was incredibly risky. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Locations
I made it so the page more closely mirrors the Atlantis page. I have no doubt the Destiny will be as much a character in the series as Atlantis was for SGA, if not more. The locations aren't linked just yet as they'd probably stay red links until the fall. These are all confirmed locations from the MGM website. The "Nexus room" has me curious. Cheers. —Ka&#39;lel 05:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm done for now. I think I'll write a bit about the door control systems, but it doesn't seem important enough to have its own page, so I'll leave that til tomorrow to figure out. And by the way, all the new information I've added is from the official MGM website. I first got Photosynth while taking part in a contest for the movie "Angels and Demons" and I honestly never thought I'd use it again, but here we are.  The images in this thing are so unbelievably high res, you can zoom right in on the grain of the walls and inspect every inch of that new DHD.  Enjoy. —Ka&#39;lel 06:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Steampunk?
Designe of Destiny interior looks like something steampowered, isn't it?


 * Not even remotely. No wood panels, no brass, no giant gears or bellows... 69.196.138.184 01:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do know what you mean, if you put windows and seats in the coridoors then it could look a little like an old steam train Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 02:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

With respect to things being steampunk... I found the image funny. :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 03:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, I must admit that I don't get the joke but the pic is sorta funny anyways :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 22:42, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Stargate Production
If the Destiny was ment to seed the universe with stargates, it probably just wasn't filled with stargates. Most likely, it clones materials like naquadah and crystals from base samples of the materials, and then maybe, just maybe, we'll be able to see a stargate production line. YAY! (and, if the crew gets back, earth could build stargates!)

And how would they get the stargates down, maybe automated shuttles? Or maybe they're beamed down? Beamed down inside...pedastals. (IDK, every damn stargate in sg1 was in a pedastal, and the destiny probably visited the milky way in the past)


 * well you have to take into account the fact that THIS SHIP ISNT THE SEEDER SHIP its the ship that comes after to see how everything turned out

why does the gate spin? Ancients think it would look cool? and if it so, wouldn't your relative location change on exit? like if you walked through, and the BOTTOM of the gate was on the top, would you fly out up side down? 64.7.166.10 13:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not if the POO symbol is on the top of the gate, it would have to revert to it's original position before establishing the wormhole anyway. And just because the gate spins doesn't mean that the wormhole would either, and even if it did it wouldn't matter because you are demolecularized before going through anyway, so the gate on the other side could compensate. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 22:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * POO symbol... that might confuse some people at first. :) —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 22:49, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

FTL But Not Hyperdrive?
It is stated in the first SGU episode that the ship is travelling faster than light but not using hyperdrive, I dont see the reasoning of why the show's creators would want to establish that Destiny uses a propulsion method different than Hyperdrive
 * Becouse they can. Also, I always thought that stargate wormhole could not be established from hyperspace --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:33, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * They can't it the Stargate is moving large distances... like past a star system. But when the Tau'ri dialed in, Destiny wasn't in "FTL".—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 18:37, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * It probably was, but I think 9th chevrone dials exact gate, not a coorinates, so it may connect even fast moving gate --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:41, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't. After they arrived, the ship went FTL. At the end of the episode, it dropped out of FTL then the gate dialled.--Amitakartok (talk) (Contribs) 18:49, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, you was right. Now I remember this "acceleration effect". I saw it, right --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:50, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

I mean, it says in the article that an incoming wormhole disengages the FTL drive, meaning it was on until they dialed and was probably shut off so they could keep a stable connection or something. They have to use a type of drive that keeps them in real space because hyperspace is basically another dimension shut off from everything else. That is why you can travel through planets, but also why you can't use a Stargate. Therefore, the obvious reason for it's usage is so the Ancients could get to the ship, and they needed the ninth chevron for a specific gate so that they could connect with it going at these high speeds. What the heck is the drive? I don't know. It would be impossible for any type of normal propulsion to accelerate past light speed, let alone light speed and the relativity effects here seem like they might be an issue. My best guess would be it uses something along the lines of a tachyon drive or maybe a warp drive from Star Trek. I just hope they explain it and don't ruin everything for me by trying to pull off faster-than-light sublight engines. That would just ruin my day completely. --Undomesticatedequine69 (talk) (Contribs) 23:48, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's so that it can actually scan things and create star charts, I mean there's not much point in going that far if you're not actually getting any info from it. Sensors don't work in Hyperspace. 77.86.44.157 01:05, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

What i think is that it uses similar technology to what carter did in grace. She created a hyperspace bubble around the prometheous, and this was able to move around like in hyper space, while not in hyperspace. The destiny may use a more advanced version of this, and the...bubble (bubble?) around the ship looks similar to that in grace. Mr White (talk) (Contribs) 01:43, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

No she was not moving in hyperspace. It was a subspace bubble in Grace. She used the hyderdrive engines to create a subspace bubble to negate the effects of the nebula on the sublight engines. The Destiny uses something similar to Warp, space is compressed infront of the Destiny and expanded in the rear, propelling the Destiny through space at superluminal speeds. --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 21:32, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ship creation and launch in timeline
In the first episode, it's established that the Destiny was launched from Earth, "hundreds of thousands of years ago" (Dr. Rush). Where does this fit in the Ancient timeline? The level of technology aboard Destiny and the Stargate itself seems to predate anything else we've seen from the Ancients. Here's my interpretation:

Millions of years ago: Hundreds of thousands of years ago:
 * 1) Alterans split into Ancients and Ori (Stargate travel probably doesn't exist)
 * 2) Ancients leave for Milky Way (Stargate travel might exist in early stages)
 * 1) Ancients create and launch Destiny and seeder ships with earliest known version of Stargate
 * 2) Technology evolves to Milky Way gate level (seen in SG-1)
 * 3) Technology evolves to Pegasus gate level (seen in Atlantis)
 * 4) Ancients ascend

Sound right? Cheers. - 19:40, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they started stargate seeding experiment between arrival in Milky Way and departing to Pegasus. They were looking for galaxies to research and colonize and Pegasdus was one of many --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 20:11, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * So we can assume Atlantis looked much closer to the Destiny before it left for Pegasus and became what we know today. Very interesting. - 20:17, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I not sure I understood you, but Atlantis is a colony-ship, it's not exploration ship --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 20:31, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just thinking of technology level. Atlantis was probably close to Destiny in terms of Technology before they left for Pegasus, and therefore in look too (ie. Steampunk). The same goes for the Stargate aboard Atlantis, it was probably one similar (if not the same design) as the one on Destiny. This is all speculation though, and these are just wild guesses. Cheers. - 20:37, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're missing his point. A cruise ship looks radically different from a naval destroyer, both inside and outside, because their purposes are also radically different. No doubt the aesthetic differences between Destiny and Atlantis are for similar reasons - Atlantis was a city, where civilians lived. Destiny was an exploration (possibly with military applications too) ship, doubtfully the kind of place where children were raised and lives were lived out. There's also the possibility that, despite Star Trek insisting the opposite, not all alien cultures are homogeneous. Different designers, from different places and times, might have ideas - how many buildings or cars look identical in your country, after all? Ancient architecture seems to change from one minute to the next throughout the franchise (as does Asgard, actually - the Goa'uld are the only really consistent race I can name when talking about design, now that I think about it).88.104.235.228 21:16, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but there's a certain progression you can see in the design of ship systems. Scott stepped into an elevator in Air, whereas Jinto stepped into a transporter in Hide and Seek. Doors on Atlantis open with the wave of a hand, doors on Destiny require you press a button. I think the designs are more than simply aesthetic. Even the Stargate design seems to have a progression, and I personally believe it is the earliest design we've seen. At first, the whole thing spins, then tech advancements mean only an the inner ring needs to, then further advancements means it doesn't need to spin at all. My point was that maybe Atlantis, at one point, looked more like Destiny or this Alteran ship; had Destiny's style gate on it; had elevators, not transporters; had manual doors and CO2 scrubbers, etc.  - 21:40, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, all of you, you can't seriously be considering that the gate actually *needs* to spin round to dial another gate. The Ancients put that feature on entirely for asthetic reasons. I think that the first few stargates (Milky way) were seeded manually by the Ancients (or at least a less advanced ship just put on autopilot), and then they sent out the destiny and the other one to seed more on a larger scale. They probably just changed the design of the gate for the same reason as they changed it when they went to Pegasus, which I guess is again to look good. It must be more than just the advancement of technology because I really wont believe either that the Ancients did not have the ability to build a gate that looks like the Pegasus ones in the milky way or that some fancy new technology forced a different design in Pegasus. Anyway, doesn't the Tollan gate prove that spinning is irrelevent - and I doubt that that gate is on the forefront of Ancient technology. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 11:23, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Question though: If the ancients left for Pegasus millions of years ago than how could they have launched Destiny from Earth for the better part of a million years ago? The ancients returned to the Milky Way ten thousand years ago and by then the tech would have been radically different from the tech being used on Destiny and would have been more similar to the tech used on Atlantis. Was there an earlier point in time of arrival to earth before the mass migration from the Pegasus galaxy due to the failing war with the Wraith? Did some ancients stay behind in the Milky Way to complete project "DESTINY" and if so wouldn't they have succumb to the disease (the reason for them leaving Earth in the first place) that had nearly wiped out there race eons ago? There is a huge gap in the timeline which no one has addressed yet.

Explored Destiny
The Expedition should fix the damaged parts of Destiny? For there are certainly more things to discover in those damaged areas. Possibly more advanced technology such as weapons or other so far unknown Ancient technology. And it would be cool if they could reach the engine room. It would be cool.

Destiny's power source??
How can Destiny back his power again? And what's Destiny force for something? Is it a ZPM-drived generator or is there some kind of subrymd energy generator?--DannyJackson (talk) (Contribs) 21:00, October 23, 2009 (UTCo

The most logical conclusion is that the Destiny used its ram scoops to collected hydrogen plasma to fuel fusion reactors. There would be no other reason for it to travel that far down into the atmosphere of a star, considering that if it would use heat in some way, the Corona is hotter than the lower atmosphere. --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 22:10, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * They did enter the star to replenish their reserves, but nowhere does it say it's hydrogen plasma or that those things that emerged from Destiny are ram scoops. All that was said in the episode is that Destiny is solar powered. Hell, Bussard Collectors are a Star Trek term. If you can prove canonically that what we saw were ramjets, then that can be added to the article. But according to Bussard ramjet, ram scoops are invisible electromagnetic fields. Until then it's speculation and for all we know, they could be awesome solar panels, or Solar thermal collector. The latter being just as feasible, considering their next problem is water supply. - 22:17, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Physical ram scoop collecting deuterium or hydrogen is most likely, theirs no possible way that solar or solar thermal could provide any meaningful power a ship with power requirements that high. Its also possible that the ram scoop could filter out the heavier trace elements to replenish stores of those as well. —83.104.138.141 08:27, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I will concede that it's most likely, but until there is a canon source calling them ram scoops, it should stay off the page because it's just fan speculation. - 08:58, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright I give up. -Ka'lel

Then what should they be called? Unnamed fuel collection devices? --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 21:29, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know what they're called, how they work, and we've barely seen them in action. Therefore, we have way too little info to create a meaningful article (which is why I deleted the previous Ram scoop article, in part). In other places we would reference the device (such as the Destiny or Solar power articles), we will simply not reference them by name and instead describe it by saying something along the lines of: "Destiny is capable of absorbing and utilizing solar energy directly from stars", to get the point across without referencing a made-up name. No name will be applied to them as none is needed. In an infobox, we may simply state that the ship is "Solar powered" and uses a form of "Solar panels".—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 21:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well wouldn't calling them a form of Solar Panels be speculation as well? Solar panels as we know them from real life and Atlantis are devices that absorb photons. We do not know, canonically, what the Destiny absorbed other than "energy", so why not call them "Energy Collectors" for now? --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 01:56, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, "solar panels" is also speculation. I honestly didn't notice it in the infobox and the page is currently locked so I'm unable to edit it, but it should not be there. I don't have a problem with "energy collector", it's not canon but that's what they are. It's been repeatedly stated that SGU will follow a more connected, single arc season design. Every episode thus far has been directly linked to the last. For that reason and from what I've seen in clips and promos of the next episode, I believe that the water supply issue is not unrelated to the events of Light. I believe we'll see the energy collectors again and get a canon answer as to exactly what they are. A side note, Destiny was NOT fully recharged, they sit at "less than 40% of original design capacity". Source: Two minute clip from Water SPOILERS. Cheers. - 02:18, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that solar panels are speculation also. But, I mean, they are panel-like devices that collect solar energy. Hence... solar panels. But, I suppose energy collectors would be more accurate and so I'll go change it. —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 02:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Destiny was constructed hundreds of thousands of years ago, NOT millions of years ago!
Why does someone keep changing the article on destiny to read it was constructed millions of years ago, clearly as is already mentioned in the discussion page - and proved -well might I add! - that it was constructed hundreds of thousands of years ago, as millions of years ago stargate travel was barely around, perhaps not at all. It so annoying to see someone have no clue about the stargate universe - pardon the pun.
 * Neither we the viewers nor the characters on the Destiny know exactly when the ship was built. Before the episode "Light" they hadn't even seen the exterior of the ship. Not to mention, the Beta gate on Earth was theorized to be about 50 million years old. However, for an accurate assumption on when the Destiny was built one should look up when the Ancients ascended. The ship would not have been built after that. My opinion is that the ship was built hundreds of thousands of years ago, but that is only an opinion. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 12:28, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

We know that it predates the Second Exodus (Atlantis leaving Antarctica) and the Plague due to the technology level of that era. This would make it at least 5 million years old. Just a thought.--Ringworlder (talk) (Contribs) 13:15, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically, it should be millions of years old. That is the easy answer. Joseph Mallozzi admitted on his blog that they kind of f***ed up the whole thing, saying "[Rush] misspoke or was speaking sort of off-hand, assuming he wasn’t going to be called on it by a knowledgeable fan." In the posts above, I was attempting to retcon an answer based on what Rush said in the pilot episode. Unfortunately, Destiny and its systems are constantly referred to as thousands of years old instead of millions. This is all based on Rush's inital assessment of how old the ship is and hopefully show-runners notice the discrepancy and have him correct himself. "Did I say thousands? I meant millions." As an answer for the article, I posit we state both, citing Rush specifically for the "hundreds of thousands" theory.


 * "Destiny is a ship in the Ancient fleet, launched originally from Earth. Dr. Nicholas Rush estimated that it was launched "hundreds of thousands" of years ago, though it is more probable that the ship is millions of years old."


 * We can then site Joe Mallozzi's comment that Rush may have misspoke. found here. Cheers. - 16:26, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the first scene of Stargate Atlantis's episode Rising shows Atlantis on earth Millions of years ago. Rush clearly stated that the Destiny predates the technology requiring an ATA gene (which Atlantis uses). Here is the image.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 23:02, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you know the stargate history than it should not be a problem to find out when the destiny was lunched. There are three possibilities. 1. 50 million of years ago. 2. 30 million of years ago or. 3. sometimes between those two periods. 1. Well i first refused this timeframe but than i read here that the gate used on destiny is the very first design. We know allready that the beta gate is one of the oldest in galaxy and is 50 million of years old. If the gate on destiny is in fact the first design, than it must predate the milky way design and thus be either 50 million yers old or even older. 2. I didnt assume that the gate at the destiny is the first design and thus it is independend on the timeframe of the stargates in milky way. Thus it would move the construction of destiny to timeframe of 30 million years ago. Why? Well we know allready that Destiny predates the ATA technology such as the Ancient Chair. But this technology was in use 30 million years ago. We know it because the Proclarush Teonas was abandoned in this timeframe and allready had this technology. As far as we know Destiny does not have a drones which were also in use in this period. 3. it is also possible that the destiny was build between those period but there is one problem and it is pegasus. If the destiny had the same course as the seeding ships, than it meens that in pegasus there should be destiny stargates and not the pegasus ones. But it could be explained by the "Upgrade" Antients may heve done when they arrieved to pegasus.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 13:32, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * The most most likely to Destiny is between 50 and 30 million years old. For Destiny was built after Alteran had come to Earth. So the most likely thing is that Destiny was built between 50 and 30 million years ago and not hundreds of thousands of years ago. I know that Destiny was built between 50 and 30 million years ago.--DannyJackson (talk) (Contribs) 16:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * All this history, dating, archeology stuff are just theories both in and outside the universe. --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 17:43, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * As a mattre of fact only the date 50 million years is theoretical. It is Based on Carters analisys of the beta gate and thus it should be very accurate. On the other hand 30 million years IS PROVEN FACT. Teonas Was abandoned 30 million years ago and thus the Destiny must be at least 30 million years old but more likely older.--ScorpiO (talk) (Contribs) 18:40, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still speculation though, not proven or mentioned on the show. I think it would be cool if there was a wiki dedicated to speculation and stuff, but it's not this one :D 77.86.59.36 11:29, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

YouTube Clips
Are we allowed to embed youtube clips from the episodes in the articles? I have the scene uploaded where the Destiny entered the star and I thought that it would be a nice addition to the article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFgoqzXz-Pg --SG-17 (talk) (Contribs) 23:54, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly ok. However, you should make sure the video you upload is good quality. With the one you linked too, it also shows took much of the story if you just want to show how cool the ship looks going through the star. Eh, my opinion, maybe the video's not that bad. Upload it if you'd like... —Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 00:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sheilds
okay I'm a little confused, Destiny predates Aurora class starship and has sheilds that can withstand diving into a sun, includes massive heat, radiation, gravitonic forces, EM spikes. But they coudn't build a ship hundred of thousands (or millions) years later that could withstand a fleet of wraith ships (which couldn't have the combined force more powerful then a star)
 * It is possible that the level of technology it not the most important consideration, but rather the level of dedication put into the Destiny. The Ancients knew the ship would be going beyond their known universe and that it would need to survive on it's own. It would stand to reason they would build the aboslute best ship possible with the best materials and best available technology with no compromises. The Aurora class ships could be considered the work-truck of their fleet, designed to be very good at what they do but built with cost in mind. The Ancients had to build many warships to fight the Wraith, but only had to build one Destiny. It is also very possible that the shields were designed specifically to survive inside the atmosphere of a star. -Grimace427 (talk) (Contribs) 14:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sun is probably less dangerous environment then shot. It distributed and it's easier to absorb, probably. And, I'm not sure, but it seems shields are able to cut gravity field, like some materials cuts magnetic ones. --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 14:31, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that when the Ancients built the Auroras, they were taking a page out of the Wraith's book and trying to built as many ships as possible. They would have cut out fancy technologies such as solar shields and just put in shields designed to resist Wraith weapons (which they are obviously very good at). This may also explain why they were vunerable to Asgard beam weapons and nuclear missiles, the latter of which must not be able to do that much to a standard shield otherwise the Ancients and Wraith would use them instead of drones and crappy pulse weapons :D Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 02:38, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

editing
why cant i edit this page?
 * It's locked to prevent vandalism. - 22:17, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

its a WIKI! people are supposed to be allowed to change it...then again this wiki is untrustworthy..
 * Because it's a wiki, we're supposed to allow people to constantly vandalize a page? It's much easier to simply lock the page temporarily until those who continue to make the edits are gone, which is exactly what we did and there is nothing wrong with it. - 20:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I was the one arguing that Destiny was hundreds of thousands of years old rather than millions, I accept that I was wrong, and I was proved to be wrong very simply. I wont add it again so you may unlock it if you wish. I didnt mean to be a vandal, I just thought I was correct thats all. My apologies

This is the theory
What if Ancients didn't advanced their science level all the time, sometimes degrading due to some disasters? That may explain how Destiny could be so old and so advanced at some points (i.e. Shields) at the same time. It also explains purpose of repositories of knowledge - they was built as backup source of vital information in case of losing technology. --╔▲╠☼╚╡∩║▀⌠⅜⌡├┤∩ (talk) (Contribs) 18:39, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * In support of that theory, no Repositories were mentioned to exist in Pegasus, right? When you have to leave in a hurry (which is, to me, what en exodus (to Pegasus) is all about), you're bound to leave a lot of stuff behind. So my theory is that after their exodus to Pegasus, the Ancients simply forgot how to build systems as advanced as those on Destiny and that Auroras were first conceived by them AFTER they arrived in Pegasus. - Bell&#39;Orso (talk) (Contribs) 14:16, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the repositorys were built after the return from Atlantis because it gave O'neill knowledge of drones and the like and the Ancient outpost on Earth. And with information backup systems as advanced as those (or even ours today) you couldn't "loose" or "degrade" knowledge. That said, however, it could have been that they lacked sufficient resources to construct ships like the Destiny, seeing as they only arrived in one city ship (as far as we can tell). But I still stand by my above theroy which is that the Aurora's are such pathetic ships compared to the power of the Ancients because they were designed only to vanquish hive ships and be built as fast and cheap as possible. It would also explain why the newer Orion was smaller than the older Aurora, because making ships smaller reduces build time. It may be that the older Aurora actually was very powerful, but that only the later designs were reduced purely to Wraith-fighting standards. Just as nowadays we have different armours good and bad at different things (and at different costs,) it's resonable to assume that Ancient shields can be reduced to be effective against a cirtain type of weapon. Plasma beams are totally different to Wraith pulses so it's not surprising that they would work against technology modified in this way. Also, seeing as the Asurans were designed to fight the Wraith (and probably built their ships for that purpose,) it's reasonable to assume that they use the crappy modified Auroras too. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 18:08, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * i have one theory that is that theris a limited suply of naquda in Pegasus that is why they changed aritecural styles then changed back when they retened to the milky way. in the milky way the did not use their standed naquda enriched stone style

Questions about Destiny....
I have some questions about Destiny. And there is someone who knows any of the questions?


 * How long is Destiny?
 * How wide is Destiny?
 * How high is Destiny?
 * What is Destiny's hull made of?
 * How many FTL engines have Destiny?
 * Destiny Has any transport of Atlantis?
 * Who was on board the Destiny Destiny expedition?
 * How powerful is Destiny's arms?
 * How many weapons have Destiny?

--DannyJackson (talk) (Contribs) 17:07, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know and nor do we speculate on this wiki. If it ever gets revealed then we will add it to the article. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 17:10, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

As I said above, I wont be re - editing the part of the page about Destiny's age, I was wrong about it being hundreds of thousands of years old and I wont 'vandalise' the page again. For the benefit of other users here, please unlock the page, this is a wiki, people should be able to edit it.

PoO
To Anubis about " can be used from any location": check episode "water", PoO is, PoO is changing!—Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 10:13, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure sure... you just wanted to say PoO in a sentance ;) jk jk - - 19:45, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * What???
 * Lmao it was a joke... I'm joking that the only reason you wrote that message was to say "PoO" in a sentence (Poo/shit/crap/faeces/number 2 - the stuff you do when you go to the toilet)..
 * Jokes are always alot less funny when you have to explain them :| - - 05:13, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oups!!! sorry :)

Please, lets not say PoO as much... or write long lists of synonyms like that... ew. As to the original question, I'll look into it. It may have just been a continuity air. If you can find other instances of a differing point of origin I'll change it. Maybe a link to a screencap or the specific time it occured in the episode.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 05:20, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Episode "Water" 20:36 aprox.; in episode "Time" final glyph wasn't shown, but at 34:33 are 3 glyphs and gate posission, so [TimePointofOrigin.png]
 * Most likely a production goof, but never-the-less, nice eyesight you have there :P - - 09:09, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok then, what we'll do (as the glyph has never really been officially given) is list the PoO's that have been shown, and next to that write... something like "varies". That's a pretty impressive piece of evidence you provided. Thanks!—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 09:18, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just thought about this... I thought the Point of origin was based on where you are in space approximately relative to the nearest planet.. If the Destiny is flying through space, the PoO is going to change all the time.. right? - - 09:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Far out i'm an idiot.. Ok well maybe the symbol is sort of like a wildcard for when they don't know what exact Origin to use... so in "Water" maybe they knew the correct Point of origin? - - 09:24, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Originally I thought that the UniverseGlyph03.svg symbol just represented an always changing point of origin, but that the symbol itself remained constant. But, with this evidence, there is... well evidence, to show otherwise.—Anubis 10545 (talk) (Contribs) 09:31, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just sharp eye and coreldraw :)
 * Vilnisr, even though it's not that important on this talk page, please sign all your comments with ~ :) - - 09:41, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forget again —Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 09:59, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the BTS pic for Justice, the PoO for Destiny is UniverseGlyph17.svg. So...it's changing I guess? Cheers. - 15:51, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Does Destiny-Style gates use point of origin? When they tried to dial earth, they found a 8 symbol adress with no point of origin given. One of the destiny crew mentioned that the ninth symbol is a sort of distance-calculation. The destiny gate predates the other known gates, so this design might not be as advanced. In "time" when they dialed the gate while the solar flare was active the wormhole became instable. This was not the case in the last man and 1969. This dedign seems to have a shorter range as well.

In the Ori-galaxy Amelius came up with his invention, then they left for Avalon and setled down to earth and buildt the first astria porta in destiny-design: They lacked DHDs and remotes were used to enter 9-symbol-adresses (8 symbols for designation 1 for distance calculation perhabs to counter stellar drift). Then they build and started seeder ships and destiny in direction of pegasus. Later (50 mio years ago) they invented a better design which only needs 7 symbols and can be controlled manually so one doesn´t need a remote (the gate network was built to be used by everyone) This version still has 9 chevrons: 8 to add distance-calculation for extragalactic wormholes 9 to enter the code for destiny (this 9 symbol-code is not a 9-chevron adress since the last symbol is neither a point of origin, as it does not depend on location, nor a distance-calculation as it does not change when destiny moves). at this time or mayby some time later, they invented DHDs to controll the gate easier and add better security-protocolls but left the dialing ring for manual dialing if the DHD-idea would not be successful. Then they got sick due to the plague and moved to pegasus. There they replaced the first verion gates with digital gates. Since the DHDs have proven to work well, they decided to remove the dialing ring since there wouldnt be any use for it.

The milky way and pegasus gates use adresses which depend on coordinates (6 points in space + 1 distance calculation for extragalactic travel + 1 point of Origin) while destiny gates use adresses which use an other kind of adress (8 symbols for designation + distance calculation). The seaderships place gates on planets and send datas to destiny (mentioned by rush when he tells the others that they migth reach a icarus-type planet within one year): The datas might also contain coordinates. I dont know where but I have readen, that the destiny was launched to link the stargates together so the first 8 chevrons might be a sort of serial number of stargates: if a gate is buildt and placed the seader ship gives it a 8 symbol serial number and sends the coordinates and planet data to destiny which it stores in its database and sends it to the other gates. if the number is dialed the gate checks the database for the coordinates and makes a coneciton. This is why the gate needs to spin: milkyway and pegasus gates does not need to spin since the dhd engages the chevrons imidiately while destiny gates need to rotate even when the adress is dialed directly by the remote: The gate needs time to check the database and calculate the destinations position (screensaver). Or perhaps the spinnign is a safety feature to check if the gate is buried or someting else (When buried the gate cant spin).

PS read my "all gates have the same glyphs theory at the Glyph-talkpage.

sg 27--80.226.46.179 21:08, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

A very well made theory I think, I hope that the producers attempt to give more validation to it in the future, though may I ask a question? does this mean that any time the destiny expedition dials back to destiny from a planet in their galaxy, they use an eight chevron address (6 points in space + 1 distance calculation + 1 point of origin), Did I get it right? --Julian obeciexe (talk) (Contribs) 12:40, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice theory, but...
 * "This design seems to have a shorter range as well." - impossible! To get back to Earth, range can't be shorter.


 * "They lacked DHDs and remotes were used to enter 9-symbol-adresses" - To dial planet, Destiny's gate use at least 6 and not more then 7 symbols, so it should be 6-7 symbol address, and Destiny do not have enought power for 9 symbol address, so as visited planets.


 * "chevrons might be a sort of serial number of stargates" - unlikely.
 * Usualy serial numbers are like #1234567; #1234569; #123456..., in glyphs it should be like ; ; ;, for now all addresses are completely different and these gates are not far from each other.
 * Serial means thet Destiny's stargate deal's another stargate not planet, like Milky Way or Pegasus stargates, which means, if stargate was destroyed, you can't replace it and it's not logical, it's like phone line, when you dial a number, you dial a line not the phone, so you can change you phone if it's broken and you still will receive calls, it's not logical to give a number to phone.
 * Gate spin - Both, Destiny's and Milky Way, stargates spin, only difference, for glyph lock Destiny's gate use Gate bearing, so it have to spin (not sure about planetary gates), while later (MW) version have inner ring for spin and main chevron for glyph lock.

...but theory about stargate history is good! Vilnisr (talk) (Contribs) 09:22, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does Destiny really have a nine symbol addresses? Or do they mean eight symbols plus the point of origin. And why does the point of origin for the alpha gate have to be implanted for the address to work? That gate wasn't even on earth when Destiny was built, and a split second number crunch into the dialing computer can trick the whole gate system? If it is that easy why do they even have that requirement. (Universe has really screwed up all the past continuity on stargate dialing)--99.148.30.103 12:46, March 11, 2010 (UTC)